2016 Postmortem

andym

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44. New Democrats only exist because of Reagan's great success in destroying liberalism

Sat May 21, 2016, 03:35 PM

May 2016

The word "liberal" was used in an effective derogatory way in 1988 by HW Bush against Dukakis. They had the Democratic party completely on the run by the end of the 80's. Why do you think the word "progressive" is used for the last 25 years and not "liberal."
The original progressive movement was in the early 1900's. Probably most national Democratic politicians have been influenced by the effects of Reaganism, since the easy recipe for GOPers to win elections was the call the Democratic opponent "a tax and spend liberal", with an emphasis on tax-- with the not too subtle meaning that the Democrat was going to take your money.

Reagan ended the liberalism that started with FDR. Progressives have been waiting for the counter movement for a long time. Bernie is trying to get if off the ground.

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I'm not a NEW DEMOCRAT-are you? Some history about the NEW DEMOCRATS is needed. [View all] bobthedrummer May 2016 OP

Recommended. This post should be repeated daily. guillaumeb May 2016 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Jun 2016 #125

Nope. I'm an FDR/Union Labor man all the way to my bone marrow. nt silvershadow May 2016 #2

If you ever need a blood transfusion, silvershadow, I'm one of your universal donors! bobthedrummer May 2016 #8

Always nice to know there are still a few of us around :) silvershadow May 2016 #9

DITTO srobert May 2016 #61

me too Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #86

amen swhisper1 Jun 2016 #101

+1 Go Vols Jun 2016 #126

new dealer to the day I die also! rurallib Jun 2016 #135

another solidarity kick bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #143

I'm an old-school Liberal. Hell Hath No Fury May 2016 #3

Nobody is. Dem2 May 2016 #4

The Clintons certainly are Dem2. n/t bobthedrummer May 2016 #6

Did you not read the last link in the OP? Doctor_J May 2016 #7

Rahm Emmanuel and Bruce N. Reed certainly are-they "wrote the book" on ending welfare before Tommy bobthedrummer May 2016 #10

Wow SpareribSP May 2016 #12

You do know that nobody outside of DU gives a flying hootenanny about this b******* Dem2 May 2016 #13

Yeah. Nobody gives a shit about that whole "third way" nonsense! bunnies May 2016 #15

! bobthedrummer May 2016 #17

I think it imperative to know who is a 3rd way follower swhisper1 Jun 2016 #103

Your political indoctrination is marvelous Dem2-but wrong as can be to those of us that love the bobthedrummer May 2016 #16

Believe what you want Dem2 May 2016 #19

The real "desolate island" is the one between your ears. panader0 Jun 2016 #108

LOL tk2kewl Jun 2016 #130

In TIME You WILL Very Probably Come To Eat These Words... ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #114

It's incredibly telling telling how much that one post I made got under people's skins Dem2 Jun 2016 #117

these "tags" were coined by the very people folks here are associating the with tk2kewl Jun 2016 #131

Little research? Dem2 Jun 2016 #138

... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #139

Yes, pretty much Dem2 Jun 2016 #140

A belated Welcome to DU 2016, SpareribSP! bobthedrummer May 2016 #21

Self-promote much? Dem2 May 2016 #22

Condescend much? Octafish May 2016 #34

Here's something that really can educate people-btw I thought you were going away from this thread bobthedrummer May 2016 #36

Thanks! SpareribSP May 2016 #45

Clintons embraced New Dem label in the past. Here's history and a pic. suffragette Jun 2016 #70

You dug up this two-week-old thread just to post a bunch of gibberish? Dem2 Jun 2016 #71

The thread was on the 1st page. One article is from the Clinton Foundation itself. suffragette Jun 2016 #73

The truth in this thread is in english, not "gibberish" Dem2. See you on the streets. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #74

Says the internet warrior Dem2 Jun 2016 #76

"narrative", "peddling".... opiate69 Jun 2016 #77

I do love how seriously people take this whole classification thing Dem2 Jun 2016 #78

I know... opiate69 Jun 2016 #79

I'm talking about politicians, obviously Dem2 Jun 2016 #80

DLC, 3rd Way, New Democrats are most certainly real tk2kewl Jun 2016 #129

that New Democrat Coalition website used to be a clone of the Americans For Prosperity djean111 May 2016 #5

Ron Kind's La Crosse offices are about 40 miles from where I live djean111-he has a Democrat rival bobthedrummer May 2016 #18

Yeah... AND If The DLC/DINO/Third Way Peeps Get Their Way Those Of ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #118

I agree with all you said, except the Graham I was talking about is Gwen Graham, Bob Graham's djean111 Jun 2016 #120

TOTALLY Agree About Murphy... SHINY, SHINY NEW! YUK! ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #122

No, I can afford to be. jwirr May 2016 #11

I'm not a new Democratic, they didn't mention all this conservatism to the Democrat voter. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #14

Never received the memo either, and the sly major 'change' makes me livid. appalachiablue May 2016 #41

I've been a Democrat from the first time I cast a vote at 18. Aerows May 2016 #20

Thank you swhisper1 Jun 2016 #104

The Obama years must have been hell for you. LexVegas May 2016 #23

I voted 2x for both President Obama and Bill Clinton in their general elections. Wisconsin has 72 bobthedrummer May 2016 #32

For me, too. I had to face my neighbors after some got tossed from their homes by the banks. Octafish May 2016 #37

at times, the TTP for instance, Syria/Lybia another, both that it appears Hillary authored, so I swhisper1 Jun 2016 #105

Thomas Frank's book Listen, Liberal is a very good read on this. hobbit709 May 2016 #24

aaah I didn't see your post until after I posted my comment lol. m-lekktor May 2016 #26

Excellent book. hobbit709 May 2016 #27

+10. Folks pls. read the posts here on Tommy Frank's new book, 'Listen Liberal! appalachiablue May 2016 #42

Just Finished Reading That Book! Made Me Feel Kind Of ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #119

Thomas Frank gives a history of them in his new book, Listen, Liberal. m-lekktor May 2016 #25

Not a New Democrat, I am a proud progressive and if the Democratic Party doesn't want me well then.. GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #28

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #35

No. Never. onecaliberal May 2016 #29

Absolutely NOT a New Democrat Trajan May 2016 #30

HELL NO vintx May 2016 #31

Straight PNAC style "policies/goals" in so many ways-I hear you vintx. n/t bobthedrummer May 2016 #46

I'm not a neocon, a neoliberal, or a neoDemocrat Vote2016 May 2016 #33

Back to when Dems supported segregation? firebrand80 May 2016 #38

The party went New Democrat in the late 80's. mmonk May 2016 #57

No, But Back to When Dems Supported Union Membership srobert May 2016 #63

Kick. n/t bobthedrummer May 2016 #39

Context is important after the disasters of 80,84, and 88 it was seen as a solution to win at the JCMach1 May 2016 #40

No, I'm not; LWolf May 2016 #43

New Democrats only exist because of Reagan's great success in destroying liberalism andym May 2016 #44

I'd say he's not just trying. He's succeeding. nt vintx May 2016 #58

The Big Tent had it's Pegs removed-by these NEW DEMOCRAT DINO's. bobthedrummer May 2016 #47

Throw them all out, people. bobthedrummer May 2016 #48

Why do some NEW DEMOCRATS trade agreements support the worst antilabor forces in the world? bobthedrummer May 2016 #49

Greed. That's it vintx May 2016 #59

Roosevelt's Critics (U.S. History.org) bobthedrummer May 2016 #50

I most certainly am not. wendylaroux May 2016 #51

I am not even close to a NEW DEMOCRAT, and can't believe so many people want one. highprincipleswork May 2016 #52

So what kind of a Democrat are you? K. bobthedrummer May 2016 #53

New Dealer fused with New Frontier Octafish May 2016 #54

I grew up in Milwaukee during the administration of the City's third Socialist Mayor, Frank Zeidler bobthedrummer May 2016 #55

Clinton Supporters Are Mostly Unaware Of This srobert May 2016 #56

I'm a third generation Roosevelt Democrat BuelahWitch May 2016 #60

This is about the US's new global neoliberal services deal, TiSA Baobab May 2016 #62

^ bobthedrummer May 2016 #64

! bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #65

(((!))) bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #66

No. I'm not now, never have been, never will be, LWolf Jun 2016 #67

Yep. There it is. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #68

I am now, always have been, and will be forever a FDR Democrat. 99Forever Jun 2016 #69

The two party system now consists of the wacky conservative and the conservative parties. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #72

There it is. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #75

Kick n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #81

This thread isn't dead... bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #82

Fuck no, I'm not a New Democrat. Chan790 Jun 2016 #83

bttt n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #89

Kicking for the weekend... bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #84

I identify as a New Dem. Do I win a prize? eom LLStarks Jun 2016 #85

Ask your leader if you deserve a prize LLStarks-me, I prefer gifts because they are free. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #88

Does the undying enmity of progressives count? n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #91

Here is your prize, you'll definitely need it at the voting booth. B Calm Jun 2016 #95

K&R! coco77 Jun 2016 #87

New Democratic Party? Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #90

In a democracy the "choices" should be ours, not party apparatchiks,shouldn't it??? bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #92

Watched in dismay as we've triangulated ourselves into a stinking Third Way mess riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #93

There it is. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #96

+1 LWolf Jun 2016 #124

Not me! K&R B Calm Jun 2016 #94

THANK YOU For Posting This... UNFORTUNATELY Too Many Here ChiciB1 Jun 2016 #97

Yep, elegant too, ChiciB1. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #98

I think the going message is that there is no New Democrat-and if you use such terms azurnoir Jun 2016 #99

Thankfully no, I have compassion for my fellow man and despise boot strap politics. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #100

I'm an OLD DEMOCRAT - I'm 57 Gomez163 Jun 2016 #102

Kick rec Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #106

I'm an FDR Democrat. Third Way democrats tend to be much more centrist and oligarch friendly EndElectoral Jun 2016 #107

I'm a New Deal/New Frontier/Great Society type dflprincess Jun 2016 #109

This old boomer joined the Democratic Party when it stood for justice and fairness. senz Jun 2016 #110

Justice has been corrupted into JUST US bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #116

Nope! FDR Democrat through and through! Thanks for the info, bob! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #111

I remember a time when only the neo-cons of Bush/Cheney et al derided FDR and DUers bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #112

New Democrats are old Republicans Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #113

More like REPLICANTS, Sky Masterson bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #115

New Dem are just old blue dogs. MaeScott Jun 2016 #121

Kick bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #123

President Obama said Go Vols Jun 2016 #127

Imagine that pokerfan Jun 2016 #134

No. I've been a Democrat since 1966, when I MineralMan Jun 2016 #128

Intentionally obtuse. vintx Jun 2016 #132

Intentionally something, to be sure. MineralMan Jun 2016 #133

Big Tent Party jamese777 Jun 2016 #136

Hell no new Dems are blue dogs that will embrace pub positions MaeScott Jun 2016 #137

My first Prez vote was for Mondale. All the ones in between and the last will be for BootinUp Jun 2016 #141

No I'm not a "New Democrat" either. That felt like Republican lite. Overseas Jun 2016 #142

I signed the new terms of service-kick n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #144