2016 Postmortem

creeksneakers2

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80. No better alternative

Thu May 26, 2016, 10:55 PM

May 2016

There were only two candidates and I don't believe Bernie could win. If Bernie was the candidate they would be all over him on policy. They would run ads showing people in emergency rooms having heart attacks being told they they will have to wait nine months for an appointment. They would be all over the socialist label and show video of bread lines in Venezuela. They'd show people unable to pay the bills because of Bernie's higher taxes.

Personal baggage hurts but people can overlook it. Look at how much they've overlooked on Trump. What matters more is policy. I don't think the middle would choose Bernie's policies once they get the GOP treatment.

Imagine you are buying a car. One car is in bad mechanical condition. The other is in better mechanical condition but when you drive it it goes in the opposite direction of where you want to go. Which car would you choose?

I was hoping Joe Biden would run but he didn't.

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What the fuck are you people thinking? [View all] hootinholler May 2016 OP

Just deal. Hillary is the nominee. boston bean May 2016 #1

Oh I disagree with you on that. hootinholler May 2016 #4

I did answer. boston bean May 2016 #7

Technically that was a reply hootinholler May 2016 #20

She beat him in the primaries. Good enough reason for me. How bout you? boston bean May 2016 #23

Really? Shadowflash May 2016 #33

You don't see the bigger picture. HRC won't be the candidate because leveymg May 2016 #41

I see reality. Hillary is the nominee. Bernie has lost. boston bean May 2016 #46

No, she's not. Not until the Convention nominates her. It won't leveymg May 2016 #53

Yeah she is. Bernie cannot win. Get with it. boston bean May 2016 #59

Oh, change is in the air. You can feel it! gravityspy May 2016 #62

I said Barney Frank not Bernie Sanders will make the rules. leveymg May 2016 #68

Hillary won but Bernie won't quit SCantiGOP May 2016 #188

Do you really think that the DOS and Intel Community IGs/FBI Director are working for Bernie? leveymg May 2016 #189

Like I said, pure delusion SCantiGOP May 2016 #191

You weren't paying attention, anyway. nt leveymg May 2016 #193

so is that why Bernie is demanding that Barney Frank be removed? nt antigop May 2016 #230

On June 7, Hillary will be the presumptive nominee for the Dem. Party--and yes, it is at riversedge May 2016 #177

She's presumed innocent, too. But, that doesn't mean she won't be replaced as nominee. leveymg May 2016 #190

I saw what you did there Android3.14 May 2016 #73

False, but that is not the reason you are a Hillary supporter anyway. merrily May 2016 #133

Right, but what does that have to do with the delusional thinking Bernie will be the nominee. boston bean May 2016 #135

If it's delusional, why get exercised about it? merrily May 2016 #179

Bernie is not the better candidate, if he was he would be winning. fun n serious May 2016 #25

By that 'logic' GW Bush was a good president because he won AgingAmerican May 2016 #56

So you want to "appoint" Bernie and accuse Establishment of " rigged" ??????? fun n serious May 2016 #63

By your logic AgingAmerican May 2016 #75

American Presidents leftynyc May 2016 #101

some American Presidents have been elected with..what...like 42% of the vote? islandmkl May 2016 #112

That's not 30% leftynyc May 2016 #130

yeah...those electoral votes...which actually determine the outcome... islandmkl May 2016 #138

30%? Guess again SmittynMo May 2016 #128

That he has less than Clinton? leftynyc May 2016 #131

LOL !!!!!!!!!! pangaia May 2016 #65

Haha! Shadowflash May 2016 #116

Of 20 candidates who began, only one is Hortensis May 2016 #115

Well said (n/t) PJMcK May 2016 #153

Bravo Raastan May 2016 #195

Wait?? Did I miss something? SheilaT May 2016 #6

There is no way she won't be. fun n serious May 2016 #26

With what's blowing up right now over her emails SheilaT May 2016 #35

With all that's being 840high May 2016 #90

Just deal. Hillary is the indictee. dchill May 2016 #9

Thread win! Bob-o the Clown May 2016 #222

Yup~ sheshe2 May 2016 #18

That's your answer for 840high May 2016 #88

We're STILL a long way from Philadelphia.... John Poet May 2016 #117

hear hear! It's time for Bernie's supporters to stop hurling bricks. nt SylviaD May 2016 #127

Why, is there something heavier available? Jester Messiah May 2016 #150

If that's true you will be accomplishing nothing but helping Donald Trump. nt SylviaD May 2016 #231

Good news for Trump if that's so. n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #147

That imperious crap is alienating California voters, and boy are you going to need them now. lagomorph777 May 2016 #163

The arrogance and hubris will be the downfall of the Elite Corporatists running our Party. rhett o rick May 2016 #187

Closed primaries have that effect Skink May 2016 #2

We can build the part democratically no? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #8

You are correct Shadowflash May 2016 #37

Sigh, this stupid inaccurate talking point needs to die mythology May 2016 #67

She did win the confederacy Skink May 2016 #76

That is some serious race baiting. barrow-wight May 2016 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R May 2016 #93

I guess Oklahoma, Nebraska,Alaska, West Virginia, Utah, Kansas, Wyoming, and Idaho don't count then. forjusticethunders May 2016 #162

! cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #171

I'm sorry but barrow-wight May 2016 #216

Yeah I'm sorry too but I will stand by what I posted. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #217

That is your choice. barrow-wight May 2016 #226

Sigh, is whining part of the bargaining stage or the anger stage? thx in advance uponit7771 May 2016 #3

Well maybe Andy823 May 2016 #5

And people gave Nixon more votes in 1972 Art_from_Ark May 2016 #15

Nixon won by a landslide in 1972 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #50

The massive crowds chervilant May 2016 #180

That is all a facade Raastan May 2016 #197

Wow... chervilant May 2016 #234

More people voted for her KingFlorez May 2016 #10

Bernie brings in millions of new energized voters Arazi May 2016 #11

Where were they in the primaries? hack89 May 2016 #48

In the closed primaries HRC "WON" or the open ones Bernie kicked ass in? The fools who brag Vincardog May 2016 #89

Hillary won more open lancer78 May 2016 #98

Hillary won more open primaries then Bernie . Nt hack89 May 2016 #143

Clinton has won more open primaries. TwilightZone May 2016 #184

If you want to see an ass-kicking in the popular vote bvf May 2016 #104

So your solution is to ignore the voters and just hand the nomination to Bernie? hack89 May 2016 #144

I didn't offer a solution. bvf May 2016 #196

The SD are irrelevant hack89 May 2016 #211

And yet, there they are. bvf May 2016 #218

So you support ignoring the voters hack89 May 2016 #219

See #196. bvf May 2016 #220

I said they are irrelevant in a two person race. hack89 May 2016 #223

Now you're just babbling. bvf May 2016 #227

I don't think so. hack89 May 2016 #228

No, they're not, bvf May 2016 #229

Some serious questions for you Bob-o the Clown May 2016 #224

The SDs will vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates like they did in 2008. hack89 May 2016 #225

Because they are perfectly happy with stagnant govt that only benefits the 1%. smiley May 2016 #12

They don't care. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #13

Is this bargaining nt? Trenzalore May 2016 #14

I'm thinking Hillary Clinton +3,031,245 votes Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #16

Thanks hootinholler May 2016 #44

Sorry, but the backroom deal is the one Hillary started with passiveporcupine May 2016 #55

Nominating such a weak candidate is an excellent idea JEB May 2016 #17

^^That^^ onecaliberal May 2016 #19

If she is weak why couldn't Bernie beat her? fun n serious May 2016 #29

+1 bravenak May 2016 #34

conversely...if she is so strong...why can't she close the deal? islandmkl May 2016 #113

The deal was "closed" back in March, actually. BobbyDrake May 2016 #122

that's an interesting take...actually...she doesn't, and won't, have enough pledged delegates islandmkl May 2016 #139

2383 is half+1 of the number that includes superdelegates. BobbyDrake May 2016 #151

SAD is not knowing how the convention actually operates... islandmkl May 2016 #160

Dream on. nt BobbyDrake May 2016 #173

Because she cheats. n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #152

It's Hillary's turn and she works hard for the money. imagine2015 May 2016 #21

Our poitical system is not built on people getting a "turn," and... Miles Archer May 2016 #125

Pretty sure that was meant as sarcasm. mac56 May 2016 #136

Impressive people, who've accomplished a lot, have political baggage. Hoyt May 2016 #22

Well she's not responsible for as many dead people JEB May 2016 #28

they used to call it collateral damage reddread May 2016 #31

Better get your kids enlisted. The ME desert soaks up a lot of blood. JEB May 2016 #42

finish the job we started for Saudi Arabia reddread May 2016 #45

Yes siree, on to Iran. Freedom's on the march. JEB May 2016 #49

That is very true. fun n serious May 2016 #30

Obama's "political baggage"? He had a lot as the nominee? Pray tell what exactly? eom Arazi May 2016 #121

More people voted for her oberliner May 2016 #24

I agree TeddyR May 2016 #32

Good question oberliner May 2016 #38

No better alternative creeksneakers2 May 2016 #80

A car that drives in the opposite direction from the driver's controls is not in good mechanical Bluenorthwest May 2016 #161

Because a majority of the Democratic Party want her nominated. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #27

Not as many people voted for your guy? tandot May 2016 #36

Because the puppet masters don't care who the nominees are. emsimon33 May 2016 #39

At least we can't say we didn't see it coming. LiberalAndProud May 2016 #40

I just wish Steven King didn't write the screenplay. n/t hootinholler May 2016 #102

She will bring more clout with her than you and others give her credit for. NCTraveler May 2016 #43

And with all that clout and money she can't put away an old socialist from Vermont! LOL imagine2015 May 2016 #54

She has put Sanders away. NCTraveler May 2016 #57

Is that why she's now spending big bucks for TV ads in California? LOL imagine2015 May 2016 #72

She is spending big bucks to get her message out. NCTraveler May 2016 #120

With far less name recognition, no connections running state primaries, no huge donors and piss-poor JudyM May 2016 #60

After wading through a mile of shit from Hillary supporters, finally one gives an answer to the OP. B Calm May 2016 #123

Obama would have a completely scandal-free administration if not for Clinton. w4rma May 2016 #47

How he deals with it will be how he is recorded in history hootinholler May 2016 #51

Obama didn't give her the boot. Its rare for a SOS to serve longer than 4 years.. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #119

She was booted and her replacement undid everything that she did. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #210

It's the choice of the majority of the primary voters Txbluedog May 2016 #52

Why? Nothing would penetrate the candy shell. procon May 2016 #58

the alarms are sounding GreatGazoo May 2016 #61

We have elections we do not "appoint" fun n serious May 2016 #66

I suspect all of you guys are in for a surprise nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #70

Elite media, and in partocular Current Affairs nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #71

yes, and now it is unfolding GreatGazoo May 2016 #77

I think the deck now has a 45 degree list nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #78

maybe the band has seatbelts GreatGazoo May 2016 #81

Avoid Der Spiegel. A few months ago they were alnost apocalyptic nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82

what stuck with me was his idea that GreatGazoo May 2016 #83

Hillary's lies are such an affront because they're so easily disproven. frylock May 2016 #199

My sense is that the Clintons love the game aspect of politics GreatGazoo May 2016 #209

An important chunk of people mentioned in that last sentence PATRICK May 2016 #108

I think part of the appeal of the Clintons for corporations GreatGazoo May 2016 #111

That's a damning article, GreatGazoo Carolina May 2016 #126

It has haunted me since I read it GreatGazoo May 2016 #134

I assume "you people" also includes the primary voters in what Bernie calls the "deep South". Nye Bevan May 2016 #64

You claim Sanders will bring many to the Democratic Party asuhornets May 2016 #69

Needs more F bombs LuvLoogie May 2016 #74

Good point PJMcK May 2016 #156

Which is actually a misuse of language, saying 'fuck' or equating a word with a bomb? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #165

I'm waiting for the sound of hootinholler May 2016 #172

So the OP is high art? LuvLoogie May 2016 #182

The enthusiasm thing really isn't happening. I got to see it with my own peepers on Tuesday: ucrdem May 2016 #79

LOL Hiraeth May 2016 #155

This is just a repeat... quickesst May 2016 #84

I'm not out to convince anyone of anything hootinholler May 2016 #140

I have my reasons... quickesst May 2016 #178

The primary reason I support Bernie Sanders is Hillary's conservatism, this post is reason #2. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #85

Bernie could never win. period. Get with the program. BootinUp May 2016 #86

There are 72 counties here in Wisconsin-Bernie won 71 of them in April. We won't drink your koolaid. bobthedrummer May 2016 #167

Whats with a Repuke Governor? Splain it to me. BootinUp May 2016 #169

You already are the fount of wisdom so have a good weekend-my lover of the truth. bobthedrummer May 2016 #170

Desperation rants MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #87

Yeah shenmue May 2016 #95

DUZY! Jesus Malverde May 2016 #91

K&R Well said. We finally get an ethical and real progressive candidate and they attempt to trash Live and Learn May 2016 #94

Voters nominated her BainsBane May 2016 #96

This is another data point in my "This is a fraud" realization forjusticethunders May 2016 #168

I especially agree about the socialism part BainsBane May 2016 #175

You forgot, she is entitled. Mrs. Clinton is the Wall Street advocate! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #97

So we can get our first Orangeican American President Sky Masterson May 2016 #99

Yeah, so whattaya gonna do 'bout it? Pout?!? Major Hogwash May 2016 #100

You people? nt firebrand80 May 2016 #103

Ultimate arbiters -- voters -- have decided who should be the candidate for the Democratic Party. Hoyt May 2016 #105

Yes. yes riversedge May 2016 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #106

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #107

That's been my thoughts as well. I just didn't have the courage to be that blunt about it. mmonk May 2016 #110

Subtlety is lost in this cesspool hootinholler May 2016 #118

easy explained....america will not elect an angry old socialist not capable of protecting america beachbum bob May 2016 #114

You sound like a Republican. B Calm May 2016 #124

The last 'socialist' American President Trajan May 2016 #181

Consider all the Obstructionism RazBerryBeret May 2016 #129

Media rush to call it for her sandyshoes17 May 2016 #132

Yuck Bobbie Jo May 2016 #137

I know! hootinholler May 2016 #142

Me too! B Calm May 2016 #145

Are those fish in your avatar? hootinholler May 2016 #158

Oh you know, alright. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #149

we don't need her as the face of the party. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #141

At this point it could be about her very freedom. Could be I say. stillwaiting May 2016 #166

This bogus Bengazi/email thing is not about screw the American oasis May 2016 #146

The people who back Clinton (and Bush) want an end to American democracy. Scuba May 2016 #148

I'm more interested in political marxist May 2016 #154

3,033,824 votes, 270 pledged delegates Tarc May 2016 #157

Currently fewer than 12 Federal Agents. frylock May 2016 #201

US State Department is the top cabinet position, not arm of the intel community. So you're incorrect ancianita May 2016 #159

So now this is a routine check of an outgoing SoS? frylock May 2016 #202

That's how the New Yorker article I read put it. ancianita May 2016 #208

K&R#147 n/t bobthedrummer May 2016 #164

Just a couple of more weeks. George II May 2016 #174

New information learned from this OP... Sancho May 2016 #176

Yeah, that is a bit of a sentence fragment hootinholler May 2016 #183

I'm on the water today...an Annapolis grad (sub commander) and Vietnam carrier pilot on the crew. Sancho May 2016 #198

Did you actually discuss this with them? hootinholler May 2016 #212

I don't find your fuck bombs in the least bit offensive. frylock May 2016 #204

Worst candidate...ever noiretextatique May 2016 #185

I disagree...now worst "Democratic" candidate ever I get EndElectoral May 2016 #186

Because...winning asuhornets May 2016 #192

Bernie has plenty of his own baggage Raastan May 2016 #194

Because Hillary's oppo research team really sucks, or... frylock May 2016 #205

Brock Brigade member here... anotherproletariat May 2016 #200

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #203

Soon the Sanders Side Show wil be coming The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #206

I'm thinking that I should close the windows since it's raining. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #207

So disheartening to think that the best the LibDemAlways May 2016 #213

If you think that, then you should have gotten someone to run who is a better choice stevenleser May 2016 #214

Because: I'ts her turn, and glass ceiling, and nothing the other side says is true, and right wing insta8er May 2016 #215

Because they love health insurance companies & the TPP MrsKirkley May 2016 #221

You left out the one group of people who are actually giving the nomination to Hillary: StevieM May 2016 #232

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are YOU thinking? Beacool May 2016 #233

How fucking ironic! hootinholler May 2016 #235

Math seems not to be your forte. Beacool May 2016 #236

Um, I'm math challenged? hootinholler May 2016 #237