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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary Comes Out as the Candidate of the War Party [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)50. History says otherwise.

Words of wisdom:
Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine
by Jeffrey D. Sachs
Common Dreams, Feb. 5, 2016
There's no doubt that Hillary is the candidate of Wall Street. Even more dangerous, though, is that she is the candidate of the military-industrial complex. The idea that she is bad on the corporate issues but good on national security has it wrong. Her so-called foreign policy "experience" has been to support every war demanded by the US deep security state run by the military and the CIA.
Hillary and Bill Clinton's close relations with Wall Street helped to stoke two financial bubbles (1999-2000 and 2005-8) and the Great Recession that followed Lehman's collapse. In the 1990s they pushed financial deregulation for their campaign backers that in turn let loose the worst demons of financial manipulation, toxic assets, financial fraud, and eventually collapse. In the process they won elections and got mighty rich.
Yet Hillary's connections with the military-industrial complex are also alarming. It is often believed that the Republicans are the neocons and the Democrats act as restraints on the warmongering. This is not correct. Both parties are divided between neocon hawks and cautious realists who don't want the US in unending war. Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.
SNIP...
Hillary's record as Secretary of State is among the most militaristic, and disastrous, of modern US history. Some experience. Hilary was a staunch defender of the military-industrial-intelligence complex at every turn, helping to spread the Iraq mayhem over a swath of violence that now stretches from Mali to Afghanistan. Two disasters loom largest: Libya and Syria.
Hillary has been much attacked for the deaths of US diplomats in Benghazi, but her tireless promotion of the overthrow Muammar Qaddafi by NATO bombing is the far graver disaster. Hillary strongly promoted NATO-led regime change in Libya, not only in violation of international law but counter to the most basic good judgment. After the NATO bombing, Libya descended into civil war while the paramilitaries and unsecured arms stashes in Libya quickly spread west across the African Sahel and east to Syria. The Libyan disaster has spawned war in Mali, fed weapons to Boko Haram in Nigeria, and fueled ISIS in Syria and Iraq. In the meantime, Hillary found it hilarious to declare of Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died."
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http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine
Wars without end. Amen.
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Yes, in lieu of her horrific IWR AUMF vote, the above quote jumps out at one as hypocritical
EndElectoral
Jun 2016
#1
I would disagree that it's hypocritical. It's clearly Hillary-speak. "We will only fight wars if
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#7
Is Counterpunch on the list of sites like FR and JW which cannot be used as sources on 6/16?
LonePirate
Jun 2016
#4
Ahhh to be able to censor those which you don't agree with. And you have that in
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#13
Clinton supporters control MIRT and they decide who gets banned with under 100 posts.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#44
Like CNN? Funny how the centrists (corporate Democrats) used to not like CNN
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#16
Those that have cheered the demise of the Republicon party don't understand that
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#22
Boy do you not understand. ISIS was created because of us. Our government needs a boggy man to
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#24
So? If a house gets infested with pests because the owners were sloppy, does that mean...
wyldwolf
Jun 2016
#27
Again you don't understand. ISIS provides a great service to the neocons and the MIC
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#28
I can't wait to see those rapists and child killers strung up by the Clinton administration
wyldwolf
Jun 2016
#29
You will have to wait forever. They will invade Iran first. It's about business opportunities.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#30
And that's about as deep as your side will ever get in discussing an issue.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#45
Whatever sells. Maybe she should give her rendition of God Bless America to prove her patriotism.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2016
#25
There were more than that. That picture doesn't show the 2 full flags on each side.
DesMoinesDem
Jun 2016
#49
yet bernie sanders votes for war, war, and more war every year and his crowd .... crickets lol nt
msongs
Jun 2016
#26
How sad. Your desperation is showing. Hillary Clinton voted to invade Iraq and kill maybe
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#46
Hillary’s Foreign Policy Speech: Queen Galadriel Before Her Magic Mirror (Gary Leupp)
Octafish
Jun 2016
#89
Oh Dear God NO...More "Lies and distortions of what Hillary actually said?"
Miles Archer
Jun 2016
#66
Well stated 'Octafish' - ..... Enough is Enough already.... I'm ashamed, as an American
laserhaas
Jun 2016
#67
It's the weirdest thing. On election day, I pull the lever marked 'D' for peace...
Octafish
Jun 2016
#83
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Octafish
Jun 2016
#88