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Miles Archer

(20,024 posts)
58. That pretty much nails it
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jun 2016

The "Call It, Skinner" movement is salivating daily about June 16th.

And to his credit, I am still impressed that he didn't "call it" when this band of anuses masquerading as human beings stepped up and handed him their list of demands.

I've been around DU through Kerry v Bush and the two Obama terms. I know what "Primary Season" is like on this site, and this year, we hit a new low. We descended into a cesspool of "alerting, locking, hiding, censoring, banning."

And what's most alarming is this giddy circle jerk over how, on June 16th, the "opposition will be silenced."

A 24/7 discussion of why Clinton rocks and delivers "kick ass" speeches won't be "progressive."

The difference between the Kerry campaign and the two Obama campaigns is that even though Kerry was the "first choice" among a relatively small number of people here, DU did get behind him. The initial lack of wide-spread support wasn't because he had "favorability" numbers that were in the basement...it was simply concern over whether he was the strongest candidate. DU got behind Obama in 2008, and while he managed to piss off some people who didn't get everything they wanted in his first term, DU got behind him again in 2012.

Clinton's different.

I think that in the complete and total absence of DU, the chasm between Sanders and Clinton supporters would still exist. I do believe that the discussions on DU accomplished nothing beyond making the chasm wider. There's something here I haven't seen before in this degree...anger, sarcasm, bullying, "I'll tell teacher" weasel alerts and an alarming desire to silence anyone who's "not on board" with Clinton.

She may very well end up being our candidate. Republicans see her as a "trophy" defeat...nothing would make them happier than blocking a return of the Clintons to the White House. She's probably not going to get a lot of Independent votes. And when it comes to Democrats. I do not personally know a single Clinton supporter, even among my friends who are lukewarm to cold on Sanders. It is a huge leap of faith to say that, with her polling and her baggage and the sheer anger in our country right now that she is going to "kick Trump's ass" in the GE. The only hope, as I see it, is that Trump will do something so over-the-top that he will finally implode, do something so outrageous that his supporters will no longer give him a free pass.

And what will be our reward if that happens?

Four years of Clinton.

I do believe she will make life much more comfortable for the 1%-ers, I do believe we will remain in the wars we are fighting now and enter into new ones. There is literally no evidence to suggest that we won't.

And "She's better than Trump" just doesn't do it for me.

None of that will matter on June 16th. The keys to the car get handed to the Clinton Group, and they will drive it all the way to the GE. Personally, I'd like to see an upset, as unrealistic as that may seem. She's not my President, she never will be, and the whole "the party has spoken" rhetoric...which someone posted in another thread, and I replied to, yesterday...that's never going to sell me on her being the person we need to have on our ticket.

This is politics. And on DU, GD-P has become flame bait sport fishing, and the joke stopped being funny weeks ago.

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Yes, in lieu of her horrific IWR AUMF vote, the above quote jumps out at one as hypocritical EndElectoral Jun 2016 #1
I would disagree that it's hypocritical. It's clearly Hillary-speak. "We will only fight wars if rhett o rick Jun 2016 #7
It's a way to be on both sides of every issue. JRLeft Jun 2016 #21
So, I'm at a party... Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #2
What you said rhett o rick Jun 2016 #9
Here's another vote for Octafish! JackRiddler Jun 2016 #43
We here at DU madokie Jun 2016 #61
Me too!!! Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #65
You are a real pal, Cooley Hurd! Octafish Jun 2016 #72
You are an excellent teacher. JEB Jun 2016 #73
Thank you, JEB! DU is pioneering a new Journalism. Octafish Jun 2016 #79
"Ars longa. Vita brevis" pangaia Jun 2016 #78
Hiya, pangaia! It's from Firesign Theatre... Octafish Jun 2016 #81
Why can't so many people see... seekthetruth Jun 2016 #3
I'm so old, I remember the Peace Dividend. Octafish Jun 2016 #64
Thanks for this info. This is why we can't have nice things. ReasonableToo Jun 2016 #68
Is Counterpunch on the list of sites like FR and JW which cannot be used as sources on 6/16? LonePirate Jun 2016 #4
Hmmmm. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #8
Ahhh to be able to censor those which you don't agree with. And you have that in rhett o rick Jun 2016 #13
If Hillary gets the nom, say goodbye to free speech around here. reformist2 Jun 2016 #17
given the traumas and troubles experienced at Pacifica in the 90's reddread Jun 2016 #36
I don't have free speech around here now BlueStateLib Jun 2016 #40
Censor. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #39
Clinton supporters control MIRT and they decide who gets banned with under 100 posts. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #44
^^^This^^^ -none Jun 2016 #57
When you refer to a presidential candidate as BS... peace13 Jun 2016 #51
That pretty much nails it Miles Archer Jun 2016 #58
^^^^ THIS ^^^^ n/t davidlynch Jun 2016 #60
Why? It's a left-wing source... JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #11
That's the problem with it Fumesucker Jun 2016 #12
When do people link to Counterpunch except to trash Hillary? LonePirate Jun 2016 #14
Read some of the articles. You'll learn a lot. Octafish Jun 2016 #20
Counterpunch is not Pablum for status quo. JEB Jun 2016 #74
You're ignoring the question I asked and are answering a different one. LonePirate Jun 2016 #75
Like CNN? Funny how the centrists (corporate Democrats) used to not like CNN rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16
yes, should be obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #52
No. And I've written why not before. Octafish Jun 2016 #53
KICK Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #5
Kick with you +10 840high Jun 2016 #37
Send doctors, engineers and educators. tecelote Jun 2016 #6
Builds trust and makes for lasting friendships, too. Octafish Jun 2016 #42
You have also this beast now: Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #54
Fourth Urn's 60-percent hike in minimum wage WAS a strategic threat. Octafish Jun 2016 #69
See this thread, Octa, Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #10
That is exactly it. Octafish Jun 2016 #15
Those that have cheered the demise of the Republicon party don't understand that rhett o rick Jun 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #23
and I hope she kicks Isis's ass from here to eternity. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #18
Boy do you not understand. ISIS was created because of us. Our government needs a boggy man to rhett o rick Jun 2016 #24
So? If a house gets infested with pests because the owners were sloppy, does that mean... wyldwolf Jun 2016 #27
Again you don't understand. ISIS provides a great service to the neocons and the MIC rhett o rick Jun 2016 #28
I can't wait to see those rapists and child killers strung up by the Clinton administration wyldwolf Jun 2016 #29
You will have to wait forever. They will invade Iran first. It's about business opportunities. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30
get me the winning lottery numbers while you're at it. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #31
And that's about as deep as your side will ever get in discussing an issue. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #45
more like my side doesn't believe in psychic 'progressives.' wyldwolf Jun 2016 #48
Iran. Russia. Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #56
Get a load of all those flags. pacalo Jun 2016 #19
Whatever sells. Maybe she should give her rendition of God Bless America to prove her patriotism. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #25
That flock of federal eagles is looking downright imperial HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #35
Had to look up ''finial.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #38
There were more than that. That picture doesn't show the 2 full flags on each side. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #82
it gives new meaning shanti Jun 2016 #80
yet bernie sanders votes for war, war, and more war every year and his crowd .... crickets lol nt msongs Jun 2016 #26
Not really true, as Sanders votes for Op support, VA benefits, pay hikes... Octafish Jun 2016 #41
How sad. Your desperation is showing. Hillary Clinton voted to invade Iraq and kill maybe rhett o rick Jun 2016 #46
K&R For Peace felix_numinous Jun 2016 #32
No time for hate. Not enough time for peace as it is. Octafish Jun 2016 #59
Wow talk about wrapping yourself in the flag. jwirr Jun 2016 #33
It is an amazing image. Octafish Jun 2016 #55
No, I don't agree with that at all. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #63
+1 eom Arazi Jun 2016 #34
Hillary’s Foreign Policy Speech: Queen Galadriel Before Her Magic Mirror (Gary Leupp) Octafish Jun 2016 #89
Besides climate change, it's the most important. Glad I have your back eom Arazi Jun 2016 #90
Lies and distortions of what Hillary actually said? Thread trashed. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47
History says otherwise. Octafish Jun 2016 #50
Oh Dear God NO...More "Lies and distortions of what Hillary actually said?" Miles Archer Jun 2016 #66
more here, on her unforgivable war crimes: amborin Jun 2016 #62
Well stated 'Octafish' - ..... Enough is Enough already.... I'm ashamed, as an American laserhaas Jun 2016 #67
It's the weirdest thing. On election day, I pull the lever marked 'D' for peace... Octafish Jun 2016 #83
We are the Imperalist Empire laserhaas Jun 2016 #87
I thinks she needs about a dozen more flags behind her, that'll show em B Calm Jun 2016 #76
"Our troops give their all. They deserve a commander-in-chief who knows that." pangaia Jun 2016 #77
Hillary Clinton’s Speech Against Trump Hypocritically Touts Her Foreign Policy Strength Octafish Jun 2016 #88
Clever words of omission, aren't they? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #84
''Shenanigans.'' Octafish Jun 2016 #85
Excellent, as usual from you... and to think... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #86
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