2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary Comes Out as the Candidate of the War Party [View all]Miles Archer
(20,024 posts)The "Call It, Skinner" movement is salivating daily about June 16th.
And to his credit, I am still impressed that he didn't "call it" when this band of anuses masquerading as human beings stepped up and handed him their list of demands.
I've been around DU through Kerry v Bush and the two Obama terms. I know what "Primary Season" is like on this site, and this year, we hit a new low. We descended into a cesspool of "alerting, locking, hiding, censoring, banning."
And what's most alarming is this giddy circle jerk over how, on June 16th, the "opposition will be silenced."
A 24/7 discussion of why Clinton rocks and delivers "kick ass" speeches won't be "progressive."
The difference between the Kerry campaign and the two Obama campaigns is that even though Kerry was the "first choice" among a relatively small number of people here, DU did get behind him. The initial lack of wide-spread support wasn't because he had "favorability" numbers that were in the basement...it was simply concern over whether he was the strongest candidate. DU got behind Obama in 2008, and while he managed to piss off some people who didn't get everything they wanted in his first term, DU got behind him again in 2012.
Clinton's different.
I think that in the complete and total absence of DU, the chasm between Sanders and Clinton supporters would still exist. I do believe that the discussions on DU accomplished nothing beyond making the chasm wider. There's something here I haven't seen before in this degree...anger, sarcasm, bullying, "I'll tell teacher" weasel alerts and an alarming desire to silence anyone who's "not on board" with Clinton.
She may very well end up being our candidate. Republicans see her as a "trophy" defeat...nothing would make them happier than blocking a return of the Clintons to the White House. She's probably not going to get a lot of Independent votes. And when it comes to Democrats. I do not personally know a single Clinton supporter, even among my friends who are lukewarm to cold on Sanders. It is a huge leap of faith to say that, with her polling and her baggage and the sheer anger in our country right now that she is going to "kick Trump's ass" in the GE. The only hope, as I see it, is that Trump will do something so over-the-top that he will finally implode, do something so outrageous that his supporters will no longer give him a free pass.
And what will be our reward if that happens?
Four years of Clinton.
I do believe she will make life much more comfortable for the 1%-ers, I do believe we will remain in the wars we are fighting now and enter into new ones. There is literally no evidence to suggest that we won't.
And "She's better than Trump" just doesn't do it for me.
None of that will matter on June 16th. The keys to the car get handed to the Clinton Group, and they will drive it all the way to the GE. Personally, I'd like to see an upset, as unrealistic as that may seem. She's not my President, she never will be, and the whole "the party has spoken" rhetoric...which someone posted in another thread, and I replied to, yesterday...that's never going to sell me on her being the person we need to have on our ticket.
This is politics. And on DU, GD-P has become flame bait sport fishing, and the joke stopped being funny weeks ago.
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