2016 Postmortem

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149. Too hawkish? Too conservative? Too corrupt? Too Nixonian?

Reply to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:58 PM

Jun 2016

You don't seem to mention those things.

And none of those labels seem particularly sexist.

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No, it doesn't look sexist at all. Uh uh. Nope. Nothing to see here... [View all] bravenak Jun 2016 OP

I'm sick of Bernie's arrogance demanding new rules for himself. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #1

Me too. Damn. Something new every damn day. bravenak Jun 2016 #3

Democracy isn't fair! AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #11

I guess that must be Bernie's position since he's the one arguing against democracy. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #54

Good one. Beacool Jun 2016 #76

"superdelegate coup"... dchill Jun 2016 #202

So it's a "coup" for about half the superdelegates to announce their endorsements early? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #210

Hillary would never do such a thing Omaha Steve Jun 2016 #134

+1, then saying the same system the long shot black guy won with in 08 is "rigged" for his ass uponit7771 Jun 2016 #189

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #2

You are the only one think about that bravenak Jun 2016 #5

No jillian, I know this is way out there, but discussing women is not discussing genitals seabeyond Jun 2016 #6

I don't base my vote for a candidate based on what body parts they have. I don't base my friends, jillan Jun 2016 #8

Nor do Clinton supporters. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #9

You reduced Clinton to a body part. YOU. You reduce her supporters to body parts and voting seabeyond Jun 2016 #10

Yes! Why is it that the Sanders campaign thinks that the first woman to ever become the presumptive skylucy Jun 2016 #132

and yet you comment this is sexism. Hard to believe Harry. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #156

Neither do we. You're welcome. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #13

You sure do seem to base your arguments on it though. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #20

So much negativity from Sanders supporters Cary Jun 2016 #213

From start to finish, Clinton has been in the lead. Any man would be called successful. The bar just seabeyond Jun 2016 #4

Crystal damn clear bravenak Jun 2016 #7

Well put, sea! mcar Jun 2016 #116

So true. skylucy Jun 2016 #133

Sanders is not man enough Whimsey Jun 2016 #163

Yep GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #179

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #191

+10000000000 treestar Jun 2016 #219

From before the start, really, by 355 supers. nilram Jun 2016 #228

Sorry. For me she is too right wing, it has nothing to do with gender. m-lekktor Jun 2016 #12

That is fine you do not vote for her because of issues. We are talking about the obvious sexism seabeyond Jun 2016 #16

There is no sexism TeddyR Jun 2016 #29

No excuse. Clinton is kicking ass, perserving, is the fuckin WINNER. To call out the bullshit seabeyond Jun 2016 #33

You ignored the point TeddyR Jun 2016 #37

People have been pretty damn articulate explaining the sexism to you. seabeyond Jun 2016 #45

Ah! Epiphany! TeddyR Jun 2016 #68

Simple. A few words, a few sentence. After Tuesday, it is Clinton's nomination. seabeyond Jun 2016 #71

That wasn't my question TeddyR Jun 2016 #75

So, we redirect the whole conversation of this Op to what YOU want to talk about? No. seabeyond Jun 2016 #79

Very informative TeddyR Jun 2016 #83

Some others are still waiting also......... guillaumeb Jun 2016 #80

Thank you !! Yes! I agree! HILLARY 2016! skylucy Jun 2016 #128

Bull bravenak Jun 2016 #34

So you think a person TeddyR Jun 2016 #40

She is NOT under investigation by the FBI. apcalc Jun 2016 #88

Yes. America loves women like Hillary Clinton–as long as they’re not asking for a promotion PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #43

So true. skylucy Jun 2016 #135

Rather strange article excerpt... k8conant Jun 2016 #140

Strange how? PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #141

Strange because I don't think it's true... k8conant Jun 2016 #143

Concern: duly noted. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #145

The establishment usually has a hard time recognizing oppression of marginalized people uponit7771 Jun 2016 #192

I just alerted a post that called her a hag bravenak Jun 2016 #23

Hillary broke govt rules & lied about it. That's just bad behavior regardless... think Jun 2016 #14

She has the vote. She won. She gets the nomination. Sanders behavior is atrocious. seabeyond Jun 2016 #19

She won bravenak Jun 2016 #24

Great TeddyR Jun 2016 #31

Yes it is bravenak Jun 2016 #38

Hey Brave, how many times have you heard racism is CURED because Obama was elected? Ever? Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #41

I heard the cure was for us to stfu about it. bravenak Jun 2016 #55

Lmfao. Ya. And that. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #57

The racist argument. There is no racism, Obama became president. Brilliant. A true progressive. seabeyond Jun 2016 #39

How does that justify lying and breaking rules? think Jun 2016 #46

It says the cries of fraud are bullshit bravenak Jun 2016 #47

She hasn't admitted shit. She got called out by the Inspector General and is still lying about it. think Jun 2016 #53

I watched her say she'd do it differently. See? Admitted a fault. Unlike some people bravenak Jun 2016 #58

Good luck with that... think Jun 2016 #78

And the inspector general said she did NOT break any laws. George II Jun 2016 #217

Clinton email server broke government rules, watchdog finds think Jun 2016 #220

"Rules" are not "laws". George II Jun 2016 #221

As an employee of the government are you suppose to follow rules or break them? think Jun 2016 #223

We have caught Sanders lying, breaking the rules and possibly laws. I expect your consistency. seabeyond Jun 2016 #52

She broke no rules. apcalc Jun 2016 #90

Apparently you missed the memo: think Jun 2016 #107

Please don't confuse them with facts... truebrit71 Jun 2016 #131

Hillary breaking rules is a plus for her, she needs to break some more uponit7771 Jun 2016 #193

She didn't. Period. George II Jun 2016 #216

LOL. You keep telling youself that... think Jun 2016 #218

How easy it is. Don't like what someone says, claim sexism to avoid discussion The Straight Story Jun 2016 #15

Nothing is easy about racism and sexism Haveadream Jun 2016 #44

Such things warrant serious discussion. Labeling things sexist because you don't like them The Straight Story Jun 2016 #56

The topics of racism and sexism have been discussed seriously Haveadream Jun 2016 #70

I think Bernie would be doing the same thing if it were Bill instead of Hill. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #17

And we do not believe it. We will never know. What I do know, he has never attacked a man seabeyond Jun 2016 #21

I guess its true that we will never know, but he has hard very harsh words for republicans. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #77

Nothing compared to how he has talked to or dismissed women thru out. He doesn't seabeyond Jun 2016 #82

He didn't criticize those leaders in the party because of their gender, race, or sexual orientation aikoaiko Jun 2016 #89

It is ALWAYS women he says something to, but the men that are doing the same? Not so much. seabeyond Jun 2016 #95

Ok, maybe someday maybe we'll see and understand each other better, aikoaiko Jun 2016 #102

Lol aikoaiko. seabeyond Jun 2016 #103

Bucking the establishment or just going on an ego trip? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #60

At this point? See that's the thing. Bernie's been very consistent (albeit imperfectly) aikoaiko Jun 2016 #69

Here's where he has not been consistent radical noodle Jun 2016 #142

Maybe so, but I'd need to look at what Bernie said exactly. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #144

So 400+ superdelegates announcing their preference for Hillary before the primaries = bad. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #212

I think an argument can be made that in neither case is the will of the people the main issue. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #214

It's the campaign contributions stupid... Whimsey Jun 2016 #170

Very hard to give that up bravenak Jun 2016 #174

I don't know if that is true. Bernie has a pretty sweet life in Burlington. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #215

Blind stubbornness is not praiseworthy. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #209

Bernie IS the establishment when it serves his purpose Haveadream Jun 2016 #105

Excellent post. Thanks. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #106

Thanks, seabeyond! Haveadream Jun 2016 #110

Walking away with this thread! brer cat Jun 2016 #124

Well said. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #18

It feels like all of it is coming out right now. Sick! bravenak Jun 2016 #30

The woman who won more delegates and votes should relent to a male in 2nd place Yavin4 Jun 2016 #22

It sure is blatant bravenak Jun 2016 #27

The woman TeddyR Jun 2016 #32

Yes. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #35

This. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #36

Yes! Absolutely! skylucy Jun 2016 #137

Yup! Maven Jun 2016 #158

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #195

One tiny little word of qualification in all this: guillaumeb Jun 2016 #25

And I am not saying all of it is sexist bravenak Jun 2016 #28

Point. You are sure to draw point that it is SOME. then.... "But to equate all criticism of HRC as" seabeyond Jun 2016 #50

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #26

What a stupid fucking thread. BlueStater Jun 2016 #42

Best thread on du bravenak Jun 2016 #49

Yes! Great thread! skylucy Jun 2016 #138

Too corrupt leftinportland Jun 2016 #48

Show me some criminal charges or you are just saying stuff that sounds bad to you for attention bravenak Jun 2016 #51

I'm the last one around here that needs attention... leftinportland Jun 2016 #96

Cant tell bravenak Jun 2016 #99

She'd be the first woman and Sanders would be the first Jewish guy Peachhead22 Jun 2016 #59

Well. She will reach her mark by Tuesday and we can move on bravenak Jun 2016 #62

Agree that for many, the sexism cannot be ignored, at the same time you have to admit AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #61

I don't think anybody is going to please everybody bravenak Jun 2016 #63

I agree completely mcar Jun 2016 #64

This is almost over!! bravenak Jun 2016 #65

The issue is her conservatism on key issues, not her gender. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #66

That is not what this thread is about bravenak Jun 2016 #67

I'd be interested to see some examples TeddyR Jun 2016 #72

Go look for them if you are feeling a desire to see such bravenak Jun 2016 #73

So you have none? TeddyR Jun 2016 #81

I don't run a link farm or ranch or orchard, even bravenak Jun 2016 #84

Very fitting TeddyR Jun 2016 #86

Umm hmm bravenak Jun 2016 #87

Indeed mcar Jun 2016 #122

Seriously bravenak Jun 2016 #123

There you go ruining a perfectly good rant with facts.... truebrit71 Jun 2016 #136

Hear, hear!!!! Beacool Jun 2016 #74

I resent being called sexist TheFarseer Jun 2016 #85

Who wrote your name in this op? Not me. bravenak Jun 2016 #94

If you're not talking about Bernie voters TheFarseer Jun 2016 #117

The only Thatcher thing I saw came from a Hillary supporter's twitter feed. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #91

I saw it here and it was hidden bravenak Jun 2016 #100

.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #104

I guess you win, congratulations. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #111

How is comparing a woman that wants to be POTUS to other woman that have been head of state sexist? azurnoir Jun 2016 #203

It IS the right time, and she IS NOT the right woman. And frankly... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #92

I don't care if you don't care bravenak Jun 2016 #93

Thank you, brave! It is very obvious now that Sanders' feels extremely comfortable in R B Garr Jun 2016 #97

Perfect!!!! You said what I feel. bravenak Jun 2016 #101

"Moral preening"! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #108

"Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men." Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #98

Kinda obvious what is going on here... bravenak Jun 2016 #109

Isn't it? Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #112

I am so glad we can pass the torch from him to her bravenak Jun 2016 #113

Yes!! My other favorite mental image is Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #114

I want a tshirt please bravenak Jun 2016 #115

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #196

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #118

Jury results. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #119

Good hide bravenak Jun 2016 #120

Yes it was. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #121

A very good hide indeed still_one Jun 2016 #150

Excellent Hide.. 7-Zip! They have nothing without their disingenuous personal attacks. Cha Jun 2016 #159

Total bullshit. I lived through Thatcher and about the only meaningful difference... truebrit71 Jun 2016 #125

bravenak---THANK YOU!!!!! YES! I speak as another woman who is sick of the double standard! skylucy Jun 2016 #126

No prob!!!! This is getting annoying!! bravenak Jun 2016 #129

You left out too dishonest, too crooked and too many ties to the Banksters. n/t brewens Jun 2016 #127

Nope!!!! Thanks anywayz. bravenak Jun 2016 #130

I see how prevalent your sexism is... k8conant Jun 2016 #139

None of us Clinton supporters chose our candidate based on sex, either. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #146

Thank you bravenak Jun 2016 #147

Your post is quite possibly the most humorous thing I've ever read on this site. jack_krass Jun 2016 #171

I think you'd have to be crazy to support Bernie over Hillary if you're a woman and BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #160

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree k8conant Jun 2016 #184

I read a lot of adjectives and descriptors Tragl1 Jun 2016 #148

Well, I'm talkin about these other people bravenak Jun 2016 #151

Fair point Tragl1 Jun 2016 #153

Watch Trump quit the race when he slips down to 35 percent bravenak Jun 2016 #154

Honestly Tragl1 Jun 2016 #155

I think you might be right about that bravenak Jun 2016 #157

Too hawkish? Too conservative? Too corrupt? Too Nixonian? Bad Thoughts Jun 2016 #149

I was talkin about sexism, not whatever strawman you wanna tear up bravenak Jun 2016 #152

You seem to want to attribute any opposition to her to sexism k8conant Jun 2016 #185

No. Some of it is rightwing nonsense bravenak Jun 2016 #188

None of those labels seem particularly TRUE either. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #222

They are all debatable Bad Thoughts Jun 2016 #225

Thank you for this, bravenak.. Hillary is too strong and too smart for all of them. She rises Cha Jun 2016 #161

And we rise together bravenak Jun 2016 #162

FFS, most these "sexist" hillary haters LOVE Warren? You deny she is a woman? Nt Logical Jun 2016 #164

They save the nasty stuff for Hillary bravenak Jun 2016 #165

It is not sexist, it is her. Not a great dem. Warren is! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #166

I think both are bravenak Jun 2016 #167

Yes, they all claim to just LOVE the woman who doesn't have the ambition pnwmom Jun 2016 #168

Warren is a real liberal! Hillary is not. All she is is better than trump. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #169

bravenak, thank you, thank you, thank you. pnwmom Jun 2016 #172

You're welcome... bravenak Jun 2016 #173

This is exactly what is happening with the new Ghostbusters trailer as well. MinnesotaRob Jun 2016 #175

I disagree bravenak Jun 2016 #177

John Stuart Mill Whimsey Jun 2016 #176

I need to re read it bravenak Jun 2016 #178

Go back and read chapter 3 Whimsey Jun 2016 #181

Uh huh. Just like claims that the mob helped elect JFK were anti-Catholic. Identical, really, except merrily Jun 2016 #180

Huh? What's your point? Whimsey Jun 2016 #182

My point is that claims of fraud are not sexist. And JFK never played a victim card when merrily Jun 2016 #183

Claims of fraud are also not TRUE. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #211

Claims of fraud or fraudulent claims? Whimsey Jun 2016 #226

What part of "anti-Catholic" did you misread as "sexist?" merrily Jun 2016 #227

I was being purposely obtuse Whimsey Jun 2016 #229

Gee, almost every reply I've been getting from Hillary supporters lately flattens a straw man I neve merrily Jun 2016 #230

I wonder what Freud would say Whimsey Jun 2016 #231

um, o.k. merrily Jun 2016 #232

+1, "Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #186

They better learn to cope bravenak Jun 2016 #194

Its going to take a while, all the "other" people running things is going to drive em even battier uponit7771 Jun 2016 #199

Can't it simply be that Hillary is just too moderate for some of us? BigBoss26 Jun 2016 #187

I never said all opposition is sexism bravenak Jun 2016 #190

You kind of are though. You gave a laundry list of real criticisms and dismissed them all as sexism. BigBoss26 Jun 2016 #201

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2016 #197

Thank you Bravenak!!!!! all american girl Jun 2016 #198

Yes. "Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men... ancianita Jun 2016 #200

"She is going to be Candidate Hillary running against Donald Trump whether you think ..." Scuba Jun 2016 #204

You will have to learn coping skills bravenak Jun 2016 #205

I'm not in your way, and as I've posted here many times, I'll hold my nose real tight in November .. Scuba Jun 2016 #206

No. The op does NOT say it is only sexism bravenak Jun 2016 #207

No, of course not. Scuba Jun 2016 #208

Comparing her to Margaret Thatcher = Sexist? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #224

Comparing her to Thatcher is completely sexist realmirage Jun 2016 #233

No, I don't. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #234

"Perfect" was never a concern. Orsino Jun 2016 #235

This part was a mic drop bravenak Jun 2016 #236

I do think Hillary Clinton became a contender in spite of every cultural barrier... Orsino Jun 2016 #237

There is a difference between a PERSON that is thought to be crooked and too right leaning. Just Seeinghope Jun 2016 #238