2016 Postmortem

Playinghardball

(11,665 posts) Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:37 PM Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Owe the Democratic Party a Damn Thing [View all]

Bernie Sanders brought millions of new people into the Democratic Party, including young people, independents, and first-time voters. But what has the Democratic Party done in return?

Now that all states and territories have voted (with the exception of Washington, D.C.) and Hillary Clinton has emerged as the presumptive Democratic nominee, the pressure is mounting for the Vermont senator to drop out and endorse Hillary Clinton, and for his supporters to fall in line and vote for the candidate the establishment pre-selected before anyone got a chance to vote.

The media never gave Bernie a chance

Months before Bernie Sanders announced his campaign for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton had used the powerful connections her family has long had to Democratic Party insiders to virtually secure the nomination with an insurmountable lead in superdelegates. This led to the establishment media crowning Clinton as the “uncontested” nominee, who was “poised to win the Democratic nomination without a serious contest.”

More here: http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-doesnt-owe-the-dems/

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Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Owe the Democratic Party a Damn Thing [View all] Playinghardball Jun 2016 OP

A-M-E-N Faux pas Jun 2016 #1

He Lost... jzodda Jun 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Jun 2016 #23

Well said. n/t JimDandy Jun 2016 #30

Yes. I agree ... erlewyne Jun 2016 #116

+2. n/t bvf Jun 2016 #90

Your first sentence GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #94

Have you looked at the polls today? vdogg Jun 2016 #106

Good. I guess there is no need to keep disparaging Sanders and Sanders supporters then. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #136

Good post! DJ13 Jun 2016 #108

Can't disagree, but now we're stuck with Hillary... unless the FBI has something to say about it. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #126

I am not giving up until the Convention. But one way or the other, our work is just rhett o rick Jun 2016 #137

Nope. Bernie is not the stronger general election candidate. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #141

How is being critical of the election system an insult to voters. Once all Democrats were rhett o rick Jun 2016 #142

What you're really being critical of is the outcome. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #144

How do you know it wasn't rigged? Sounds like wishful thinking. We know the Powers That Be rhett o rick Jun 2016 #145

No we didn't see "evidence of voter fraud and disenfranchisement in most states." Or any states. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #146

No, the poor and the middle class lost once again. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #55

So true... Bernie was their last hope. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #127

If you were concerned about Trump you should not have supported the weaker candidate with all GoneFishin Jun 2016 #102

Not disagreeing... but now we have to make the best of a bad situation. What choice do we have? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #128

R-A-m-e-n yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #36

But he wants the Democratic Party to owe him much.....he really doesn't play well. n/t Sheepshank Jun 2016 #2

They need him more than he needs them democrattotheend Jun 2016 #5

Owe, such as? Play Well? Rather vague and dripping with insignificance. libdem4life Jun 2016 #6

I'll say this Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #56

I don't think he thinks that way. He might think the Dem party owes the American People Hiraeth Jun 2016 #67

Whatever. He never was a Democrat anyway, and what he does and does not do will determine... NNadir Jun 2016 #3

and that means your place is in history is .... Hiraeth Jun 2016 #66

Apparently neither was I, and I had been voting for Democratic candidates since I could vote. n/t That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #95

Jeez get over it already workinclasszero Jun 2016 #4

This is in direct response to you all's constant posts that Bernie was allowed to run as a Democrat JimDandy Jun 2016 #34

No, Bernie didn't lose. The Working class and the poor lost yet again. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #60

The working class and the poor chose Hillary lunamagica Jun 2016 #70

You keep telling yourself that. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #72

It's the truth lunamagica Jun 2016 #74

Keep telling yourself that notadmblnd Jun 2016 #75

They always seem to lose when the establishment is in charge... why is that? hmmm InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #130

because they don't see us as human. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #132

Some life... what could have been. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #129

How far would he have come without them? baldguy Jun 2016 #7

And it's really strange giving him credit for so many new voters when it's clear HRC had a lot more bettyellen Jun 2016 #9

Wait? I am getting confused. Are you saying that Clinton doesn't need his supporters? If so rhett o rick Jun 2016 #26

I didn't say either of those things, lol. Not so good on the listening part are you? bettyellen Jun 2016 #41

It's known as deflection rock Jun 2016 #61

Yeah, they need to keep up the belief that all new voters were Berners... bettyellen Jun 2016 #62

Exactly. "How far would he have come without them?" Not very damn far. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #20

That statement implies that they helped him at all Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #63

He wouldn't have received his 12.5 million votes without the (D) after his name. baldguy Jun 2016 #97

Do you deny any of the content of my post? Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #98

Show the official DNC press statements supporting your charges. baldguy Jun 2016 #110

DNC press statements? Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #112

Oh, so it's a conspiracy. Or should I say **ANOTHER** conspiracy? baldguy Jun 2016 #114

Time for beddy bye, fella Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #118

Exactly. It's beyond clear that Sanders needed the Dem party a hell of alot more than many Dems feel Number23 Jun 2016 #87

Democratic Party Doesn’t Owe Bernie Sanders a Damn Thing RogerM Jun 2016 #8

Exactly. What is clear though, is that many of Bernie's followers feel entitled to something. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #27

It's far from over. We aint siting down and shutting up. We've just got a good start. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #28

They just don't get it. Thirties Child Jun 2016 #65

Just remember. DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #80

Wow, another new Hillary fan jumping in. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #84

"...by no means adversarial ..." You seem to have forgotten the "I welcome their hatred" part. Scuba Jun 2016 #123

Yes, I am really really hoping, just like you that Sanders moves on JimDandy Jun 2016 #39

The only "shenanigans" in NV were that Bernie supporters tried to steal the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #44

Not true. But I'm not interested in educating you... JimDandy Jun 2016 #69

Not interested and also not capable. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #99

So then why are you still on a democratic website? AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #119

The "Bernie Sanders brought millions of new people into the Democratic Party" meme is getting old. qdouble Jun 2016 #10

I Guess... kadaholo Jun 2016 #12

It's a conspiracy of course. qdouble Jun 2016 #13

How is he bringing them into the party if they're not registered Democrats? ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #14

Zap! Hekate Jun 2016 #47

He is the one who thinks that he is owed something KingFlorez Jun 2016 #15

The Democratic party is a participatory organization. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #16

What a strange thing to say, "and trying to do the most good for the most people." rhett o rick Jun 2016 #31

Sorry you find that to be such a strange thing. I have noticed that trend. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #37

So let me get this straight... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #17

" ... legitimately lost ...". Delusional much? nt GoneFishin Jun 2016 #103

Let me set you straight demwing Jun 2016 #111

You can't have it both ways. athena Jun 2016 #121

And yet he's pledged to Democratic wins in November. Orsino Jun 2016 #18

people just don't get it. I hope you enjoy the reich under the republicans if they win MariaThinks Jun 2016 #19

If she is the nominee then Trump will win. You have no one to thank but those who voted for the GoneFishin Jun 2016 #105

The Dem Party allowed him to use its infrastructure, which he had NO part in building... Hekate Jun 2016 #21

Use their infrastructure. You mean the infrastructure that consistently helped Clinton? Skwmom Jun 2016 #25

Without that infrastructure how many of Bernie's supporters would've ever heard of him? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46

I agree with everything you just said. 100% Right on! skylucy Jun 2016 #48

+ a million. If he'd been half as focused on educating his supporters on how the registration and Number23 Jun 2016 #88

+10000000000 treestar Jun 2016 #93

I am sure he regrets it. He let them get close enough to stab him in the back. They lied about him GoneFishin Jun 2016 #107

wish I could k and r this. niyad Jun 2016 #125

Thanks ... and done Hekate Jun 2016 #133

It's being less well-received there than it is here. Hekate Jun 2016 #139

but you did make it to greatest there!! niyad Jun 2016 #140

Your reality appears to be a vast and interesting place. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #134

They let him run as a Dem because they never thought he'd gain any traction. TDale313 Jun 2016 #138

and the Democratic Party owes him NOTHING as well--certainly not getting his way on the rules niyad Jun 2016 #22

and ...... you have some power over all this .... Hiraeth Jun 2016 #68

where do you come up with that? I am simply pointing out to the OP that his assertion works niyad Jun 2016 #71

"The media never gave Bernie a chance" Tarc Jun 2016 #24

media 3hummingbirds Jun 2016 #32

MSNBC is the most leftist of the "corporate media" Tarc Jun 2016 #45

They might be leftist lancer78 Jun 2016 #79

Yeah, right. You are a regular comedian. GoneFishin Jun 2016 #109

bull shit DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #100

To it's membership, sure. To it's "leadership?" Not a thing. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #29

Except a quick and overdue exit. Eom. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #33

no democratic party = no bernie or bernie's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. more delusional thinking from msongs Jun 2016 #35

Bullshit... quickesst Jun 2016 #38

I would think Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #40

The party needs to take up our issues dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #42

GOOD! Then the Party also OWES HIM NOTHING! Lil Missy Jun 2016 #43

just as well. they gave him nothing except the screw. nt restorefreedom Jun 2016 #52

The Democratic party apcalc Jun 2016 #49

Bernie's VENUE came from Progressive online sites and 'tv stations'. Nothing more. Jennylynn Jun 2016 #59

Well, Bernie said it himself. apcalc Jun 2016 #78

True. Didn't quite work out for him. Maybe he shouldn't have said it. Jennylynn Jun 2016 #81

Bernie should have run an independent campaign WhiteTara Jun 2016 #50

He owes Clinton a concession, that's it.....nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #51

Sanders has done the Democratic Party a great service azurnoir Jun 2016 #53

Amen to that Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #54

Very well said, sir! I agree, wholeheartedly. djean111 Jun 2016 #58

when you chose to run as a democrat MFM008 Jun 2016 #57

Sanders should listen to the advice that Gore gave Dean when Dean dropped out. Beacool Jun 2016 #64

That 50 state strategy needs to come back. Skink Jun 2016 #82

I think that it will this year. Beacool Jun 2016 #85

The Democratic Party doesn't owe Bernie Sanders a Damn Thing. eom tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #73

They owe him thanks for making them think outside the Beltway Box. ancianita Jun 2016 #76

And the reverse is true as well . WE DON't OWE BERNIE SANDERS A THING bravenak Jun 2016 #77

That's right! And the Democratic Party doesn't owe Bernie a damn thing either. XRubicon Jun 2016 #83

Remember when Clinton was accused of being "entitled" and SDs were bad??? Bleacher Creature Jun 2016 #86

Caucusing with Senate Dems jamese777 Jun 2016 #89

Yes he does. We let him run as a democrat! demosincebirth Jun 2016 #91

Nor does anyone not on their payroll. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #92

Bernie Sanders will endorse HRC. He has telegraphed it over and over emulatorloo Jun 2016 #96

True, since he's never been a Democrat. RandySF Jun 2016 #101

And we don't owe him anything. vdogg Jun 2016 #104

Okay, he doesn't owe the Democratic Party a damn thing.... Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #113

I thought we'd already moved from "Denial" to "Anger" to "Bargaining" brooklynite Jun 2016 #115

The denial stage apparently takes a very long time. athena Jun 2016 #122

Neither does the Democratic Party/Hillary Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #117

In that case jrandom421 Jun 2016 #120

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #124

"Debbie Washerman Shithead"? "Shillary"? does it get more Right Wing than that? Tick tock. Hekate Jun 2016 #135

Completely illogical...Bernie and his supporters ARE the Democratic party! Do they owe themselves? Sancho Jun 2016 #131

Agreed. He is not a Democrat, and does not offer much to the party. Certainly not enough to warrant eastwestdem Jun 2016 #143

Thank you. We own our votes. I will choose and Bernie will choose and I'll never think less of him. George Eliot Jun 2016 #147