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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton’s Tutor in War and Peace [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)139. Realpolitik means millions dead are ''worth it.''
Henry Kissingers War Crimes Are Central to the Divide Between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
by Dan Froomkin
The Intercept, Feb. 12, 2016
EXCERPT...
First, lets review what happened at the debate. Heres the video, followed by the transcript:
SANDERS: Where the secretary and I have a very profound difference, in the last debate and I believe in her book very good book, by the way in her book and in this last debate, she talked about getting the approval or the support or the mentoring of Henry Kissinger. Now, I find it rather amazing, because I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country.
(APPLAUSE)
I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger. And in fact, Kissingers actions in Cambodia, when the United States bombed that country, overthrew Prince Sihanouk, created the instability for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to come in, who then butchered some 3 million innocent people, one of the worst genocides in the history of the world. So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger.
(APPLAUSE)
IFILL: Secretary Clinton?
CLINTON: Well, I know journalists have asked who you do listen to on foreign policy, and we have yet to know who that is.
SANDERS: Well, it aint Henry Kissinger. Thats for sure.
CLINTON: Thats fine. Thats fine.
(LAUGHTER)
You know, I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas. I think it is fair to say, whatever the complaints that you want to make about him are, that with respect to China, one of the most challenging relationships we have, his opening up China and his ongoing relationships with the leaders of China is an incredibly useful relationship for the United States of America.
(APPLAUSE)
So if we want to pick and choose and I certainly do people I listen to, people I dont listen to, people I listen to for certain areas, then I think we have to be fair and look at the entire world, because its a big, complicated world out there.
SANDERS: It is.
CLINTON: And, yes, people we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States.
(APPLAUSE)
SANDERS: I find I mean, its just a very different, you know, historical perspective here. Kissinger was one of those people during the Vietnam era who talked about the domino theory. Not everybody remembers that. You do. I do. The domino theory, you know, if Vietnam goes, China, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Thats what he talked about, the great threat of China.
And then, after the war, this is the guy who, in fact, yes, youre right, he opened up relations with China, and now pushed various type of trade agreements, resulting in American workers losing their jobs as corporations moved to China. The terrible, authoritarian, Communist dictatorship he warned us about, now hes urging companies to shut down and move to China. Not my kind of guy.
(APPLAUSE)
CONTINUED w/links etc...
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/
by Dan Froomkin
The Intercept, Feb. 12, 2016
EXCERPT...
First, lets review what happened at the debate. Heres the video, followed by the transcript:
SANDERS: Where the secretary and I have a very profound difference, in the last debate and I believe in her book very good book, by the way in her book and in this last debate, she talked about getting the approval or the support or the mentoring of Henry Kissinger. Now, I find it rather amazing, because I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country.
(APPLAUSE)
I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger. And in fact, Kissingers actions in Cambodia, when the United States bombed that country, overthrew Prince Sihanouk, created the instability for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to come in, who then butchered some 3 million innocent people, one of the worst genocides in the history of the world. So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger.
(APPLAUSE)
IFILL: Secretary Clinton?
CLINTON: Well, I know journalists have asked who you do listen to on foreign policy, and we have yet to know who that is.
SANDERS: Well, it aint Henry Kissinger. Thats for sure.
CLINTON: Thats fine. Thats fine.
(LAUGHTER)
You know, I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas. I think it is fair to say, whatever the complaints that you want to make about him are, that with respect to China, one of the most challenging relationships we have, his opening up China and his ongoing relationships with the leaders of China is an incredibly useful relationship for the United States of America.
(APPLAUSE)
So if we want to pick and choose and I certainly do people I listen to, people I dont listen to, people I listen to for certain areas, then I think we have to be fair and look at the entire world, because its a big, complicated world out there.
SANDERS: It is.
CLINTON: And, yes, people we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States.
(APPLAUSE)
SANDERS: I find I mean, its just a very different, you know, historical perspective here. Kissinger was one of those people during the Vietnam era who talked about the domino theory. Not everybody remembers that. You do. I do. The domino theory, you know, if Vietnam goes, China, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Thats what he talked about, the great threat of China.
And then, after the war, this is the guy who, in fact, yes, youre right, he opened up relations with China, and now pushed various type of trade agreements, resulting in American workers losing their jobs as corporations moved to China. The terrible, authoritarian, Communist dictatorship he warned us about, now hes urging companies to shut down and move to China. Not my kind of guy.
(APPLAUSE)
CONTINUED w/links etc...
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/
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Bill Clinton, the Lippo Group, and Jackson Stephens of Little Rock, Arkansas (5th Version) 1999
Octafish
Jun 2016
#19
You support white supremacist Paul Craig Roberts. Your argument is invalid. nt
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2016
#70
And you've shown DU that you'll believe any far-fetched conspiracy and bring it back to the BFEE.
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2016
#72
I hope I've shown DU that I'm not scared to call out supporters of white supremacists,
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2016
#79
Here's a more current link for your analysis Doc-its still open for those that can read.
bobthedrummer
Jun 2016
#101
A conversation with yourself about woo sites? I'll pass (as did everyone else).
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2016
#109
No, it's code for Conspiracy Theorist. I never called anyone Better Believe It nt
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2016
#112
How come you are not trotting out the Trump/Hillary wedding pictures any more?
Sheepshank
Jun 2016
#5
So, show the first you find in what I've posted on this or any thread that's not true.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#18
It's important for those interested in Democratic Action, not Kissinger Action.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#16
The Last Man of the Junta: Open Letter to Henry Kissinger from One of Pinochet's Political Prisoners
Octafish
Jun 2016
#39
K&R Embracing an evil war criminal: all one needs to know (combined with record of reckless Neo Con
amborin
Jun 2016
#23
Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger
Octafish
Jun 2016
#67
I would respond to this calumny in my inimitable way but Skinner asked me to be nice.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#53
I would respond to this calumny in my inimitable way but Skinner asked me to be nice.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#59
I am trying to help you. I want you around after we go into G E mode
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#66
Banksters! BCCI and Marc Rich were two of those thousand points of green light.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#89
An intelligent person listens to ALL opinions. It helps in not repeating those same mistakes.
tonyt53
Jun 2016
#103
If Kissinger has a house in the DR that he, Hillary and Bill go to for holidays, why can't they
2cannan
Jun 2016
#114
Another learning curve kick for the real DU reality-based community. n/t
bobthedrummer
Jun 2016
#140