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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: You know what's WORSE than mass murder? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)206. Why do you find war and mass murder funny, CorkySt.Clair?
And what do you think about wars for profit?
The Knights of the Revolving Door
When War is Swell: the Carlyle Group and the Middle East at War
by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition September 6-8, 2013
Paris.
A couple of weeks ago, in a dress rehearsal for her next presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton, the doyenne of humanitarian interventionism, made a pit-stop at the Carlyle Group to brief former luminaries of the imperial war rooms about her shoot-first-dont-ask-questions foreign policy.
For those of you who have put the playbill of the Bush administration into a time capsule and buried it beneath the compost bin, the Carlyle Group is essentially a hedge fund for war-making and high tech espionage. They are the people who brought you the Iraq war and all those intrusive niceties of Homeland Security. Call them the Knights of the Revolving Door, many of Carlyles executives and investors having spent decades in the Pentagon, the CIA or the State Department, before cashing in for more lucrative careers as war profiteers. They are now licking their chops at the prospect for an all-out war against Syria, no doubt hoping that the conflagration will soon spread to Lebanon, Jordan and, the big prize, Iran.
For a refresher course on the sprawling tentacles of the Carlyle Group, heres an essay that first appeared in CounterPunchs print edition in 2004. Sadly, not much has changed in the intervening years, except these feted souls have gotten much, much richer. JSC
Across all fronts, Bushs war deteriorates with stunning rapidity. The death count of American soldiers killed in Iraq will soon top 1000, with no end in sight. The members of the handpicked Iraqi Governor Council are being knocked off one after another. Once loyal Shia clerics, like Ayatollah Sistani, are now telling the administration to pull out or face a nationalist insurgency. The trail of culpability for the abuse, torture and murder of Iraqi detainees seems to lead inexorably into the office of Donald Rumsfeld. The war for Iraqi oil has ended up driving the price of crude oil through the roof. Even Kurdish leaders, brutalized by the Baathists for decades, are now saying Iraq was a safer place under their nemesis Saddam Hussein. Like Medea whacking her own kids, the US turned on its own creation, Ahmed Chalabi, raiding his Baghdad compound and fingering him as an agent of the ayatollahs of Iran. And on and on it goes.
Still not all of the presidents men are in a despairing mood. Amid the wreckage, there remain opportunities for profit and plunder. Halliburton and Bechtels triumphs in Iraq have been chewed over for months. Less well chronicled is the profiteering of the Carlyle Group, a company with ties that extend directly into the Oval Office itself.
Even Pappy Bush stands in line to profit handsomely from his sons war making. The former president is on retainer with the Carlyle Group, the largest privately held defense contractor in the nation. Carlyle is run by Frank Carlucci, who served as the National Security advisor and Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Carlucci has his own embeds in the current Bush administration. At Princeton, his college roommate was Donald Rumsfeld. Theyve remained close friends and business associates ever since. When you have friends like this, you dont need to hire lobbyists..
Bush Sr. serves as a kind of global emissary for Carlyle. The ex-president doesnt negotiate arms deals; he simply opens the door for them, a kind of high level meet-and-greet. His special area of influence is the Middle East, primarily Saudi Arabia, where the Bush family has extensive business and political ties. According to an account in the Washington Post, Bush Sr. earns around $500,000 for each speech he makes on Carlyles behalf.
One of the Saudi investors lured to Carlyle by Bush was the BinLaden Group, the construction conglomerate owned by the family of Osama bin Laden. According to an investigation by the Wall Street Journal, Bush convinced Shafiq Bin Laden, Osamas half brother, to sink $2 million of BinLaden Group money into Carlyles accounts. In a pr move, the Carlyle group cut its ties to the BinLaden Group in October 2001.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/06/when-war-is-swell-the-carlyle-group-and-the-middle-east-at-war/
BTW: I think your post and your emoticon shows who's asinine.
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Yes, we know because she is perfect as we all well know and has never done wrong.
LiberalArkie
Jun 2016
#7
Which makes her subsequent actions as a Secretary of State all the more questionable.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#89
gotta love that bernie guy voting to pay for all this killing every year, year after year nt
msongs
Jun 2016
#3
What grief process is that? I am continuing to work on getting progressives elected
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#160
and Sanders voted to keep the troops in Afghanistan also. However, it isn't as vile as this OP who
still_one
Jun 2016
#103
From my point of view, you are wrong. Now, immediately, is the time to politicize this
floppyboo
Jun 2016
#179
Right now the Democrats don't have the majority in both house of Congress, so I
still_one
Jun 2016
#192
with a bill you need Congress. The question is could he do an executive action?
still_one
Jun 2016
#190
War is mass murder on an epic scale. At least one candidate apparently doesn't get that. nt
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#4
You mean the onew that haven't been used. Betting Hillary will find a way to use them. nt
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#10
Oh so its ok to build weapons of mass destruction and still remain holy as long as you don't
workinclasszero
Jun 2016
#15
Are you saying Hillary wouldn't want these? These were being built with or without Bernie,
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#19
I can't find it now. I thought back when Charlie Hebdo suspect said Abu Ghraib made him attack.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#214
Bernie said he would continue to use drones. Just that he would do it better. i bet Obama felt the
bettyellen
Jun 2016
#100
There's no comparison to what Sec. Clinton is reported to have done with drones.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#193
How are we supposed to talk about it, other than to condemn the illegal drone strikes
Hydra
Jun 2016
#219
My momma use to always say "Turn tragedy into political opportunism before the bodies are identified
qdouble
Jun 2016
#17
do these two things really need to be compared - one being "worse" than the other?
DrDan
Jun 2016
#22
Three days. 72 hours. 0.42 Weeks. 0.09863 Months. 4320 Minutes. 259200 Seconds. *
NurseJackie
Jun 2016
#44
The poster has a history of linking to homophobic conspiracy theorist writers...
SidDithers
Jun 2016
#92
Yeah, I don't knwo why Bernie voted for Afghanistan...bad decision Bernie. nt
Demsrule86
Jun 2016
#34
Yeah, because a few words on a computer screen may remind people not to kill one another in war.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#51
+ a million. A trifecta of being tasteless, tone deaf and absolutely disgusting
Number23
Jun 2016
#130
I didn't order an illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous invasion of Iraq.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#97
Yeah. I'm trying to stop wars for profit and Dr Hobbitstein is pointing out my hypocrisy.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#64
nope, that isn't what he is saying. He is saying you are using the tragedy in Florida in a not so
still_one
Jun 2016
#101
Congratulations on yet another mindless comparison based on absolutely ...
MrMickeysMom
Jun 2016
#114
''Politics'' being how the wars just keep going and going, no matter who we elect.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#196
War is mass murder, I've taken a verbal beating for saying that here over the years.
Rex
Jun 2016
#108
How DARE you!!! I had friends wounded last night, and friends who lost loved ones
ashtonelijah
Jun 2016
#137
SHAME ON YOU--YOU USE THIS HORRIBLE EVENT TO DISS THE PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC
riversedge
Jun 2016
#145
Not as wildly misleading as your post defending Bush, a warmonger like his father and grandfather.
Octafish
Jun 2016
#225
Who's lying, anigbrowl? You wrote Bush really meant something other than making money off war...
Octafish
Jun 2016
#227
Are you under the impression that Sanders is a pacifist who will pull back all US troops?
brooklynite
Jun 2016
#221