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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary 2016: How she transformed Democrats into “new” Republicans [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)59. Like Elena Kagan? Friend of Tony Scalia? Sides with Karl Rove over Don Siegelman?
With the notice being paid to the late Associate Justice's sportin' life:
Scalia and Kagan have a history shooting stuff together.
Justice Kagan and Justice Scalia Are Hunting BuddiesReally
"I shot myself a deer," Elena Kagan said of a recent big game hunting trip with the conservative justice in Wyoming.
by GARANCE FRANKE-RUTA
The Atlantic, JUN 30, 2013
Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan bagged herself a deer on a hunting trip to Wyoming with Justice Antonin Scalia last fall. You heard that right: Despite finding themselves on opposite sides of major court decisions, the liberal Obama-appointee and the conservative Reagan-appointee have become hunting buddies since Kagan was confirmed in 2010 as the fourth woman in history to sit on the highest court in the land.
"I shoot birds with him, fairly -- you know, two or three times a year now," Justice Kagan said during a wide-ranging and delightful Aspen Ideas Festival conversation with Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center, on Saturday. "And then he um, at the end of last year we had been bird shooting four or five times. I'll tell you how that came to be. But before I do, before I -- he said to me, 'It's time for big game hunting.' And we actually went out to Wyoming this past fall to shoot deer and antelope. Uh, and we did."
"You're getting some hisses from the audience. I hope you were a better shot than Dick Cheney," Rosen interjected as a smattering of hisses emerged from around the room at the mention of hunting in Wyoming.
"I shot myself a deer," Kagan continued. "The way this started, I'll tell the story. You know the NRA has become quite a presence in judicial confirmations, and that means when you go around from office to office, from chamber to chamber, I met with about 80 senators individually and quite a lot of them, both Republicans and Democrats, ask you about your views on the Second Amendment. But because you don't say anything about your views on anything, when they ask you well, they'll try to figure out what your views on the Second Amendment are likely to be and they'll say, 'Well, have you ever held a gun? Have you ever gone hunting? Do you know anybody who's gone hunting?' And you know me, Jeff, I grew up on the Upper West Side of Manhattan and this was not something we really did, you know.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/justice-kagan-and-justice-scalia-are-hunting-buddies-really/277401/
Scalia knew her, even before she got to be somebody.
Scalia once lobbied Obama advisor to have Elena Kagan nominated to the Supreme Court
BY CNN WIRE, FEBRUARY 15, 2016
When the shocking news of Justice Antonin Scalias passing hit Saturday night, my mind raced back to a White House Correspondents Association dinner seven years ago, when we were seated together.
We bantered about my hometown of Chicago, where he had taught law before ascending to the bench. He opined on wine and music and generally lived up to his reputation as a man who told and enjoyed a good story.
And then our conversation took an unexpected turn.
Justice David Souter, Scalias longtime colleague on the court, had just announced his retirement, creating a vacancy for President Obama to fill. Scalia figured that as senior adviser to the new president, I might have some influence on the decision or at least enough to pass along a message.
I have no illusions that your man will nominate someone who shares my orientation, said Scalia, then in his 23rd year as the courts leading and most provocative conservative voice. But I hope he sends us someone smart.
A little taken aback that he was engaging me on the subject, I searched for the right answer, and lamely offered one that signaled my slight discomfort with the topic. Im sure he will, Justice Scalia.
He wasnt done. Leaning forward, as if to share a confidential thought, he tried again.
[font size="5"][font color="red"]Let me put a finer point on it, the justice said, in a lower, purposeful tone of voice, his eyes fixed on mine. I hope he sends us Elena Kagan.[/font color][/font size]
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http://wtkr.com/2016/02/15/scalia-once-lobbied-obama-advisor-to-have-elena-kagan-nominated-to-the-supreme-court
BY CNN WIRE, FEBRUARY 15, 2016
When the shocking news of Justice Antonin Scalias passing hit Saturday night, my mind raced back to a White House Correspondents Association dinner seven years ago, when we were seated together.
We bantered about my hometown of Chicago, where he had taught law before ascending to the bench. He opined on wine and music and generally lived up to his reputation as a man who told and enjoyed a good story.
And then our conversation took an unexpected turn.
Justice David Souter, Scalias longtime colleague on the court, had just announced his retirement, creating a vacancy for President Obama to fill. Scalia figured that as senior adviser to the new president, I might have some influence on the decision or at least enough to pass along a message.
I have no illusions that your man will nominate someone who shares my orientation, said Scalia, then in his 23rd year as the courts leading and most provocative conservative voice. But I hope he sends us someone smart.
A little taken aback that he was engaging me on the subject, I searched for the right answer, and lamely offered one that signaled my slight discomfort with the topic. Im sure he will, Justice Scalia.
He wasnt done. Leaning forward, as if to share a confidential thought, he tried again.
[font size="5"][font color="red"]Let me put a finer point on it, the justice said, in a lower, purposeful tone of voice, his eyes fixed on mine. I hope he sends us Elena Kagan.[/font color][/font size]
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http://wtkr.com/2016/02/15/scalia-once-lobbied-obama-advisor-to-have-elena-kagan-nominated-to-the-supreme-court
I wonder how Scalia felt about keeping Gov. Don Siegelman in the pen? Rove Just Us lobbied to keep him there, too.
Unlike the Big Time "movers and shakers," Gov. Don Siegelman must not be one of The Aspens.
ETA: Don't put words in my mouth. There's a difference between Kagan and Sotomayor.
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