2016 Postmortem

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61. We're not there yet, but...

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:17 AM

Jun 2016

We do have to consider the very real possibility that Trump will drive Susan Collins/Mark Kirk-type Republicans out of there party...and into ours. I already know many, many friends and family who will be voting Hillary in the fall after a lifetime of GOP membership; I'm happy to have their support, but if they actual were to join our party and help shape its policies, I'd be much more ambivalent.

And if you don't think a wing of one party bolting and joining another can transform that party, then you need to look harder at what happened to the GOP once the Dixiecrats climbed on board.

Still, it's hard to pin any of that on Clinton per se; she represents a legitimate, large, well-established wing of our party (it's much easier to imagine Truman and Kennedy voting for her than for Bernie). But it is entirely possible to envision a Trump-led GOP imploding or withering away like the Federalists or the Whigs, and them the Dems splitting in two in that vacuum. Perhaps not likely, but possible.

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Hillary 2016: How she transformed Democrats into “new” Republicans [View all] NorthCarolina Jun 2016 OP

... LexVegas Jun 2016 #1

Move over... stevenleser Jun 2016 #4

rofl BootinUp Jun 2016 #18

Panda. Monkey. Banana. Octafish Jun 2016 #28

Of course not. Why would I? It was written to get clicks from sad Bernie supporters. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #43

To learn. Octafish Jun 2016 #47

The title of that article identifies it as nonsense... IMHO. BootinUp Jun 2016 #53

You shared your opinion without reading the article, though. Octafish Jun 2016 #56

THat's correct, lol. Oh, stop it please. BootinUp Jun 2016 #58

Willful or inborn, Hortensis Jun 2016 #85

Tick tock. Meanwhile... Hekate Jun 2016 #123

It's called self reflection of the party... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #138

OMFG...and DUers, desperate to demolish the Dem nominee, buy this shit and propogate it's message Sheepshank Jun 2016 #69

Sould I bring extra butter? Hekate Jun 2016 #121

The clock is ticking on this shit... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #144

Tick tock redstateblues Jun 2016 #2

Seriously. Can't wait for this nonsense to end. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #5

What nonsense? Talking about how Democrats and Republicans are the same? Octafish Jun 2016 #33

SCOTUS metroins Jun 2016 #55

Like Elena Kagan? Friend of Tony Scalia? Sides with Karl Rove over Don Siegelman? Octafish Jun 2016 #59

The ridiculous assertion by so called purists, requires that public officials live in a bubble Sheepshank Jun 2016 #72

I'm not demonizing anybody, not even you, Sheepshank. Octafish Jun 2016 #78

You clearly attempt to demonize Kagan Sheepshank Jun 2016 #82

Demonize by stating the facts about her association with Scalia? Octafish Jun 2016 #83

Oh damn, that creepy made up, pretend problem of association. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #86

Nothing made up, otherwise you'd show it, Sheepshank. Octafish Jun 2016 #90

Well look at that - the meaningless excuses and whitewashing stopped !!!!!!!! vintx Jun 2016 #165

PR bailout plan will pay Wall Street and make Puerto Rico live in utter austerity. Octafish Jun 2016 #169

What a shock. Neo-liberals are as utterly bereft of morals as neo-cons. vintx Jun 2016 #171

'Dollar Phil Gramm' and Bill Clinton @ UBS Octafish Jun 2016 #172

At the old DU, this would have been an issue for most. vintx Jun 2016 #173

i'm disgusted with kagan. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #127

Yes, that's right. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #93

Really? Vox is not Nader, it's KOS and cronies. Octafish Jun 2016 #97

Claiming that Democrats and Republicans are the same is the essence of Naderite "thought." -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #98

Where did I claim that? As you can't, you're just smearing. Octafish Jun 2016 #99

The OP's article specifically says that the Democratic Party has become the Republican Party. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #120

Which is different from me saying that, though. Octafish Jun 2016 #122

You said it all right. You just disingenuously phrased it as a sort of question, sort of quote... Hekate Jun 2016 #124

No, it's what I asked stevenleser, then I got ''answers'' from you, Lord Magus, Sheepshank... Octafish Jun 2016 #145

Once again the whitewashing and excuses are silenced vintx Jun 2016 #168

One more day rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #37

Yes. To some, truth is nonsense. To others is it a little bump in the libdem4life Jun 2016 #132

Nope, nonsense is nonsense. No melodramatics from Hillary haters will change that. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #134

And no nonsense from someone who hasn't a clue if I "Hate Hillary". libdem4life Jun 2016 #143

No, no, no. There's no election manipulation going on. Just "clerical errors" or so I was told ... Scuba Jun 2016 #3

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #6

1 day Tarc Jun 2016 #7

The fall of Salon.com Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #8

And they're one of the dumber sites for actually paying for HA Garbageman's content. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #19

+1000 Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #96

Good article Howler Jun 2016 #9

Hit home in a lot of areas for me. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #10

Yes. Howler Jun 2016 #14

You are free to go elsewhere rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #46

Wow. This is really what you're going to go with, huh? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #63

That "tiny angry minority of angry far leftists" are not really so tiny......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #87

You're the one whose transparency page is showing AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #91

You're just jealous. arcane1 Jun 2016 #100

You are free to go elsewhere with that retrograde, conservative enabling and assimilating TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #110

Conservative crap is allowed on DU now as long as it's not directed at a Clinton. arcane1 Jun 2016 #141

Bingo. n/t QC Jun 2016 #157

What is posted in the OP is reflected in the responses. -none Jun 2016 #11

Right here LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #29

Posting facts is not bashing. -none Jun 2016 #65

He lost LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #70

IRONIC ISN'T IT? KPN Jun 2016 #101

Denial is only a symptom of the real problem. -none Jun 2016 #146

I see threads from Sanders supporters who claim that Hillary supporters are ungracious winners. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #12

Ungracious winner would be a step up in class. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #22

Deflection. This thread calls Hillary and her supporters Republicans. How is this acceptable ? Trust Buster Jun 2016 #23

No more deflection than your comment. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #24

This OP refers to Hillary and her supporters as Republicans. This is wrong. We don't need a Trust Buster Jun 2016 #27

Q.E.D. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #35

You are acting childish IMO. Good bye. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #36

... hobbit709 Jun 2016 #45

No, it doesn't. The article shows Hillary's candidacy transforming the Democratic Party rightward. Octafish Jun 2016 #38

Enjoy your final day of irresponsibility. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #41

Wrong: I won't abide by the Democrats becoming Republicans. Octafish Jun 2016 #49

With Hillary at the helm NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #64

I hope so. Is that what she told Pete Peterson? Octafish Jun 2016 #67

That's primary season rhetoric. Kind of akin to when NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #68

Rhetoric is the art of persuasive speaking. Octafish Jun 2016 #71

+1 JudyM Jun 2016 #76

Hillary Clinton supporters appear "scorched earth" regards other good Democrats PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #66

These Clinton supports are so blind of how right wing they have become. coyote Jun 2016 #13

You're just like those Republicans who call modern Democrats "the real racists" because of the 50s. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #17

What do you think about New Dem economics that help the RICH first and foremost? Octafish Jun 2016 #42

You got any dirt on Donald Trump? Because I'd be very interested emulatorloo Jun 2016 #81

Guy's in it up to the gills. Octafish Jun 2016 #88

The Democratic Party that brought Social Security, which the Republicans fought? valerief Jun 2016 #73

You're being too kind. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #108

Of course republicans of that era voted more for the Civil Rights Act than Democrats did. pampango Jun 2016 #31

Someone else who's geographically challenged. seabeckind Jun 2016 #107

Conservative Southerners used to be Democrats. Many Northern republicans were liberal. pampango Jun 2016 #112

You're fixated on the label, aren't you? seabeckind Jun 2016 #113

All of those are in the Democratic Party platform NOW. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #94

If you look from a historical standpoint, seabeckind Jun 2016 #111

+1 harun Jun 2016 #125

Salon's garbage. Her platform is the most progressive for a nom possibly ever. That's not enough? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #15

Whew. Never saw such communicable blindness. Most progressive?! There are no words. JudyM Jun 2016 #80

Her platform is slightly left of Obama, which was slightly left of Clinton. So yes. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #95

Not on war or peace issues. She's even to the Right of Trump. leveymg Jun 2016 #154

To the right? She's continuing Obama's policies. Remember, he was President for Syria, Libya, etc. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #156

HRC and Petraeus left after the first term. Remember? That's no coincidence. leveymg Jun 2016 #158

Surely you jest. 840high Jun 2016 #118

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #16

There was no room to say anything LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #25

"there is a real allergic reaction to truth in the Clinton camp." Herman4747 Jun 2016 #20

The truth is as relevant now arikara Jun 2016 #153

Did HA Goodman get a job at Salon? leftofcool Jun 2016 #21

"Nowhere is there an argument about the merits of her platform" Dem2 Jun 2016 #26

Get it out of your system - times running out left-of-center2012 Jun 2016 #30

You know if Skinner changes GD:P to GD:Creative Writing ucrdem Jun 2016 #32

. . . Triana Jun 2016 #34

Perfect. Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #152

Ut oh.... peace13 Jun 2016 #39

"DU need a name change?" jack_krass Jun 2016 #170

"Progressive" group-think. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #40

I believe the slide to neoliberalism occurred before Hillary Arazi Jun 2016 #44

Yep, long about 1985 when the DLC decided to shift right. seabeckind Jun 2016 #106

I'm sure that argument has been made since the beginning of the parties... Stellar Jun 2016 #48

Meanwhile, Clinton Widens National Lead wyldwolf Jun 2016 #50

This post and the responses to it, illustrate the giant rift in the party. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #51

DU is not remotely representative of reality. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #52

Well lets hope he remains the opposition. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #54

True. KPN Jun 2016 #103

It's true, the merits of HRC's policies are seldom discussed. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #57

More war doesn't earn one a merit badge. nt valerief Jun 2016 #75

The merits at this point are meaningless since she KPN Jun 2016 #104

Very true. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #115

Salon is a joke workinclasszero Jun 2016 #60

We're not there yet, but... Proud Public Servant Jun 2016 #61

Agree. In fact this election the largest unrepresented bloc of voters....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #92

Kickin' for the truth! Faux pas Jun 2016 #62

Two more days for truth and then... valerief Jun 2016 #74

This seems fitting.... pkdu Jun 2016 #77

This seems more fitting: Herman4747 Jun 2016 #128

Let it all out, all of it...but hurry. Nt pkdu Jun 2016 #136

June 16th 2016. nt William769 Jun 2016 #79

The day the propaganda can be catapulted unhindered. Arugula Latte Jun 2016 #84

The day Baghdad Bob cease to exist. William769 Jun 2016 #89

Octafish forever! Kurovski Jun 2016 #102

I saw this lefty wingnut shit at the top of /r/politics Dem2 Jun 2016 #105

Ahh, so you agree that this article represents a liberal viewpoint? seabeckind Jun 2016 #109

No, wingnuts means it's people that are trying to destroy the party Dem2 Jun 2016 #114

You mean they make you uncomfortable about your definition? seabeckind Jun 2016 #129

How utterly ironic coming from the "my way or the highway" crowd! Dem2 Jun 2016 #135

You have these delusions often? seabeckind Jun 2016 #137

OK, later Dem2 Jun 2016 #139

Make sure you tell everyone you were bullied. seabeckind Jun 2016 #142

the real danger is that this leaves a party experienced in defeating only one sort of foe: Dems MisterP Jun 2016 #116

The grapes, they are sour. Buzz cook Jun 2016 #117

To be fair, the bland ineffectuality of the Republican side... Orsino Jun 2016 #119

I can't help feeling that Trump won't be the opponent. seabeckind Jun 2016 #133

Well, I've been predicting he'd quit (again) since last summer... Orsino Jun 2016 #159

lose harder? seabeckind Jun 2016 #160

I think we'll find that a great deal of his support doesn't exist. Orsino Jun 2016 #161

That's very true. seabeckind Jun 2016 #162

But Trump always folds. Orsino Jun 2016 #163

Again... not-Trump. seabeckind Jun 2016 #164

Not-Trump is going to be a true loser strategy for the GOP Orsino Jun 2016 #166

tick-tock.. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #126

The purge is coming. seabeckind Jun 2016 #130

K & R imagine2015 Jun 2016 #131

I WILL VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS !!!! erlewyne Jun 2016 #140

A myopic and misleading analysis. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #147

DUrec PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #148

move over Ann Coulter. Never have I read such tendentious, non-sequitur fucking bullshit and lies Bill USA Jun 2016 #149

She's like a human austerity measure RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #150

Oh, that is so right on! Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #151

Methinks the record is corrected too much. bleever Jun 2016 #155

I think the idea that Hillary converted Democrats into New Republicans is silly andym Jun 2016 #167

The fly in the ointment there NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #175

This exactly vintx Jun 2016 #176

I would distinguish between an establishment candidate and an insurgent who ended up supporting andym Jun 2016 #177

The thing is NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #178

He rarely took the bully pulpit for anything andym Jun 2016 #179

K&R n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #174