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Octafish

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5. Not when it comes to NSA domestic spying.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jun 2016
Hillary's Evasive Views on the NSA

On the eve of her presumptive bid for the White House, the former senator is willfully obscuring the positions she would take as president.


CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
The Atlantic, FEB 25, 2015

Hillary Clinton is almost certain to launch a bid for the presidency. But at least for now, she's determined to keep the public guessing about her stance on NSA spying. As Edward Snowden's revelations forced the issue to the fore of national debate, she kept mum, even as other prospective candidates staked out positions.

On Tuesday, the technology journalist Kara Swisher raised the subject of surveillance while questioning the former Secretary of State. "Would you throttle back the NSA in the ways that President Obama has promised but that haven't come to pass?" she asked. Clinton's successfully evasive answer unfolded as follows:

Clinton: Well, I think the NSA needs to be more transparent about what it is doing, sharing with the American people, which it wasn't. And I think a lot of the reaction about the NSA, people felt betrayed. They felt, wait, you didn't tell us you were doing this. And all of a sudden now, we're reading about it on the front page...

So when you say, "Would you throttle it back?" Well, the NSA has to act lawfully. And we as a country have to decide what the rules are. And then we have to make it absolutely clear that we're going to hold them accountable. What we had because of post-9/11 legislation was a lot more flexibility than I think people really understood, and was not explained to them. I voted against the FISA Amendments in 2008 because I didn't think they went far enough to kind of hold us accountable in the Congress for what was going on.

Swisher: By flexibility you mean too much spying power, really.

Clinton: Well yeah but how much is too much? And how much is not enough? That's the hard part. I think if Americans felt like, number one, you're not going after my personal information, the content of my personal information. But I do want you to get the bad guys, because I don't want them to use social media, to use communications devices invented right here to plot against us. So let's draw the line. And I think it's hard if everybody's in their corner. So I resist saying it has to be this or that. I want us to come to a better balance.
This will not do. The answer elides the fact that Clinton has not been a passive actor in surveillance policy. "What the rules are" is something that she was responsible for helping to decide. She served in the United States Senate from 2001 to 2009. She cast votes that enabled the very NSA spying that many now regard as a betrayal. And she knew all about what the NSA wasn't telling the public. To say now that the NSA should've been more transparent raises this question: Why wasn't Clinton among the Democrats working for more transparency?


Clinton may resist "saying" that surveillance policy "has to be this or that," but it must be something specific. "Let's draw the line" and "I want us to come to a better balance" are shameless weasel phrases when you're vying to call the shots. What is being balanced in her view? What should the NSA have revealed earlier? How much transparency should it provide going forward? What does the law require of the NSA? Since 9/11, when has the NSA transgressed against the law as Clinton sees it? Those questions hint at the many ways that her position is evasive. So long as no one else contests her party's nomination, she can get away with it.

SOURCE:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/hillary-clintons-evasive-position-on-nsa-spying/386024/

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Four Points make me FOR Bernie [View all] Octafish Jun 2016 OP
I'm sure Bernie Sanders will be able to bring these issues up when he's back in the Senate. brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
I hope Hillary does if she's the nominee. Octafish Jun 2016 #4
Hillary agrees with all those. YouDig Jun 2016 #2
Not when it comes to NSA domestic spying. Octafish Jun 2016 #5
That article has nothing to do with your OP. YouDig Jun 2016 #6
Here's help. Octafish Jun 2016 #9
That article still has nothing to do with your OP. What does the NSA have to do with YouDig Jun 2016 #10
Yes it does, esp. considering how much NSA work is done by private contractors. Octafish Jun 2016 #13
Octafish... brentspeak Jun 2016 #29
Truer words were never spoken (about the entity and praising Octafish's efforts)! nt 2cannan Jun 2016 #32
Swoon.. Ah, Octafish! Melissa G Jun 2016 #36
Here's detail on how NSA spying helps the well-to-do. Octafish Jun 2016 #11
I'm about conspiracy theoried out. YouDig Jun 2016 #12
Profound for you. Octafish Jun 2016 #14
You've only been here for about 60 days, I dig that. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #15
Stratfor via WikiLeaks saw problems from the beginning for Clinton Foundation... Octafish Jun 2016 #18
I like your taste in westerns, Octafish. senz Jun 2016 #27
Thanks, senz! Sergio Leone and Jethro Tull all day long. Octafish Jun 2016 #33
Interesting, Octafish. senz Jun 2016 #42
Uh-huh. The USA is a Reaganomic Republic. immoderate Jun 2016 #3
Trickle Down Voodoo has WASTED 7/8 of all the wealth in history on the rich. Octafish Jun 2016 #7
The rat exercising the trap laserhaas Jun 2016 #25
K&R bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #8
The Good Shepherd Octafish Jun 2016 #16
Why doesn't that important OP have a "permalink?" I thought all comments did. senz Jun 2016 #30
Interesting article. Xyzse Jun 2016 #17
Glen Ford is a real journalist. Octafish Jun 2016 #19
I don't want to hear his voice unless it says...I concede. nt. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #22
Your attitude explains your level of awareness. Octafish Jun 2016 #31
It is customary for the loser of any election or primary to concede. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37
I'm for my nextdoor neighbor, Stan...but he's not on the general election ballot either. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #20
Is Stan a Democrat? Here's some of what one Democrat managed to do in only 1,037 days in office. Octafish Jun 2016 #23
Have you ever heard about a little altercation called the bay of pigs? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #38
JFK stood up to the warmongers. Every time. Octafish Jun 2016 #39
for who? Oh yeah Bernie ...well he lost. So who cares? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #21
Who's the real loser, Demsrule86? Octafish Jun 2016 #24
The corporate Red states laserhaas Jun 2016 #26
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WOW...I've read 'Crossing the Rubicon' 4 times laserhaas Jun 2016 #35
Concise and well put felix_numinous Jun 2016 #28
That's an excellent list, I couldn't agree more. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #40
Not long ago = still does today. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #41
A Dr. Strangelove for the 21st Century (Steve Breyman May 9, 2014) kick bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #43
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