2016 Postmortem

surrealAmerican

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89. So we, as liberals, are expected to believe ...

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:55 AM

Jun 2016

... that this statement is disingenuous pandering, but, when she talks favorably about progressive policies, she's utterly sincere.

How do we know it isn't the other way around?

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How to explain this: Hillary Clinton praised a former president [View all] blackspade Jun 2016 OP

moderates, centrists and independents eat that shit up. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1

Regardless of his flaws and they were many Bush never demonized Muslims or Hispanics. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #6

Oh my unicorn he is practically a saint then isn't he! Well I was wrong! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #9

Compared to Trump Bush was a saint. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #15

Ask Mrs. King. Octafish Jun 2016 #22

Thank you for your input. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #25

You are most welcome! Octafish Jun 2016 #37

Thank you for sharing those photographs with me. I never saw them before. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #46

you do realize the only reason Wallace was in that photo dsc Jun 2016 #138

Thanks for the back story. Octafish Jun 2016 #146

again it isn't the choice I would have made dsc Jun 2016 #150

At one time George Wallace was quite progressive and was endoresed by the NAACP BlueStateLib Jun 2016 #217

Speaks volumes to me, and many of the troops, Sir. bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #187

bush never dissed......... heaven05 Jun 2016 #210

Ohhh dear excuse me for critizing your man!!! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #44

Thank you for misrepresenting my position and sneaking in an ad hominem attack as well DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #50

As you did mine! You have a very nice weekend as well! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #60

I don't believe I misrepresented your position as my commitment to veracity is my sine qua non. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #64

You are kinda cute! You know that though eh! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #71

I live in the SFV. It's going to be > 105 degrees !!! DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #74

5000 dead US soldiers and 100, 000 dead innocent Iraqis based on a lie? Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #59

You must have left out your sarcasm thingy. jonestonesusa Jun 2016 #112

And Dubya never praised Mussolini nor Hitler! Obama should give him a Medal of Freedom award! imagine2015 Jun 2016 #153

George W Bush met Hillary Clinton at Nancy Reagan’s funeral BlueStateLib Jun 2016 #218

W didnt disparage, he just stole from them, used them and lied to them swhisper1 Jun 2016 #231

Lol Dem2 Jun 2016 #19

I would venture to say it is you that is dangerous to our country! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #56

Now you're just spamming fallacies Dem2 Jun 2016 #68

Have a lovely day! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #85

this is the kind of black and white thinking that cause something like the OP treestar Jun 2016 #211

candidate Bush in 2000 was WAY more moderate and acceptable than any of the Republican geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10

GWB never "demonized" Muslims sure; GWB just lied the USA into war and blew up Muslims with PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #80

Thank you for your input. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #81

Your threats are childish. blackspade Jun 2016 #95

I didn't threaten anybody in this thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #101

Your silly continual references to Monday's changeover.... blackspade Jun 2016 #119

Exactly. I wondered by this person kept saying this over and over... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #123

That wasn't my intention. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #134

Party unity is a dirty word to some... blackspade Jun 2016 #141

What an odd inference. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #125

Oh yes, how odd. blackspade Jun 2016 #139

I take that as you have no intention to apologize for disrespecting, dehumaninizing.... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #142

Disrespect, dehumanize, and delegitimize? blackspade Jun 2016 #172

There is no need to disrespect , deligitimize, and dehumanize me DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #179

Lather, rinse, repeat.... blackspade Jun 2016 #181

No projection, sir or madame. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #182

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #136

I refuse to respond to your attempt to denigrate, disrespect, and dehumazine me in kind. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #143

Candor compels to opine that you must have slept through Shock and Awe Autumn Jun 2016 #191

There is no need for us to address our fellow members in such a hurtful fashion. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #196

Just don't bother to PM me. I blocked messages from you after the last one. Autumn Jun 2016 #198

Thank you for getting another shot in and insulting me again. I refuse to respond in kind. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #199

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Thank you... I hope to be your model. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #204

You are the perfect role model and the quintessential DUer. Autumn Jun 2016 #206

Thank you. I think. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #207

Good grief. Cary Jun 2016 #219

You bet your fucking ass I'm bitter, I lost a Nephew in that clusterfuck so put your Autumn Jun 2016 #221

Enjou Cary Jun 2016 #222

Whoa. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #240

Whatever. Cary Jul 2016 #241

Somehow that didn't stop you from supporting Clinton in 2008 BainsBane Jun 2016 #232

That's not the reason I won't support her. nt Autumn Jun 2016 #236

Presidents and First Ladies are the only ones who knows the crap they go through yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #94

Hey nice Bernie attack there. Sneaky too! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #66

this is the primary forum, correct? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #70

You do know Hillary won the primary don't you? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #82

I know it, but the junior Senator from Vermont refuses to admit it nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #87

And you care because WHY? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #234

Until he suspends his campaign he is in the picture. By his choice. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #220

I guess Bush wasn't that bad. I still think he's a war criminal tho NWCorona Jun 2016 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #4

I know and I actually thought that note was a nice gesture to Bill NWCorona Jun 2016 #7

Mike Malloy... ReRe Jun 2016 #34

Nope. blackspade Jun 2016 #20

Exactly Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #98

.... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #107

Yes that was an attempt at sarcasm on my part. NWCorona Jun 2016 #129

Why would anyone support GWB? Blows my mind. n/t Paper Roses Jun 2016 #3

She has admitted she's after the Republican vote..... KoKo Jun 2016 #8

For every Republican vote she gains... ReRe Jun 2016 #77

A Dem base she doesn't care about any way Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #100

Well... ReRe Jun 2016 #111

It's vulgar Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #147

Is this what it means to be a "pragmatic progressive"? demwing Jun 2016 #189

Bernie also said he hoped one_voice Jun 2016 #135

The difference is that Bernie never pandered to them arikara Jun 2016 #209

Support? That's not how I read this. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #35

In politics, sometimes people have to be diplomatic shenmue Jun 2016 #215

George HW Bush used the phrase voodoo economics against Reagan in their primary tonyt53 Jun 2016 #5

Moneynfor his banker friends to rebuild! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #13

And he got a vote for his war from that money. Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #43

Indeed I suppose it does! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #88

As a New York Senator, she asked for things from him and got them. leftofcool Jun 2016 #11

At Nancy's funeral Hillary spoke a litany of lies in service to Reagan at the expense of the truth Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #12

It's good politics, appealing to centrists and Republicans uncomforatble with Trump. YouDig Jun 2016 #14

Expanding the wrong way; to the right. blackspade Jun 2016 #23

Every vote counts the same. If there are centrist votes available, and with Trump, there are, YouDig Jun 2016 #26

Centrists don't like the Bushes.... blackspade Jun 2016 #48

Some centrists do. And I can't think of too many Democrats that would vote against her YouDig Jun 2016 #51

Recall GWB's gaff in calling his war making a "crusade"? eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #90

yes I do heaven05 Jun 2016 #239

Nope...Sanders himself (and many DUers agreed) he was wooing the "R" vote. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #63

You mean she behaved like a grown up person La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #16

Praising a war criminal? blackspade Jun 2016 #24

As long as he remains unconvicted by any courts La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #27

By that loose definition any member of Congress who votes for defense spending is a war criminal. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #33

So he gets a pass from you. blackspade Jun 2016 #38

Lol. Such drama. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #53

Oh yes, death and destruction is "drama" blackspade Jun 2016 #62

I'm sure her reaction would be the same if Bernie praised W. I'm sure of it Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #102

You mean how we're told that Bernie supporters are mostly angry, white, appalachiablue Jun 2016 #148

It's been constant forever. This past year has been like a frustrating nightmare that won't end Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #149

Nightmare is it. What twisted, contradictory and absurd claims offensive to many groups. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #152

She praises the opposition when it is not apporpriate nor even accurate: Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #29

She said that at a funeral and apologized for being wrong La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #30

No, she said that after the funeral, to the press without being asked about it. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #39

Why are you lying about me? I've criticized Ronald Reagan a million times on du La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #52

You mock me for caring about the history. "No matter how obsessed you are with this" you snark Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #75

I mock you for using a misstatement for an irrational hatred La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #78

You mock me for caring about the truth and seeking to bring that truth to the table. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #104

Ahhh was she tired and overworked. Poor Hillary! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #108

March, 2016. Hillary Clinton with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell appalachiablue Jun 2016 #131

I totally agree! nt LAS14 Jun 2016 #159

She likes war criminals - Kissinger, Netanyahu etc so her affection for the Bush crime family Arazi Jun 2016 #213

Legitimizing a corrupt and criminal regime that gave us torture, unjustified wars tabasco Jun 2016 #17

George W Bush who ignored NSA, CIA, FBI warnings about Osama bin Laden? Octafish Jun 2016 #18

This means he couldn't have helped out New York after 9/11??? nt LAS14 Jun 2016 #161

Hadn't thought of it that way. Thought he was criminally negligent, at best. Octafish Jun 2016 #171

Yeah...you missed the part where they won't endorse her...of course you did. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #21

Didn't miss it. blackspade Jun 2016 #32

I know it's hard for those on the far, far end of the political spectrum to understand, but... Tarc Jun 2016 #28

Cordial terms do not require false or undue praise nor the revision of important history to serve Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #31

Why do you always manage not to include that she apologized La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #36

Why is an apology all it takes to make that go away? Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #49

Because the Clinton's have a long history of HIV AIDS activism La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #76

Saying that a person who shit on HIV problems was a champion for it Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #86

Bob Hattoy at the 1992 Democratic Convention, spoken in Hillary's presence: Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #93

I think that is the truth! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #120

Oh, she bashed then said 'sorry'? That means it can't be discussed? She said what she said on TV Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #61

She didn't bash anyone. Your hatred is making you blind La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #73

Sorry but when you take away the good works of an oppressed group and credit those actions Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #84

She apologized only because she saw the polls dropping!!! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #114

+2 The cold, calculating truth. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #133

I believe that Clinton long apologized for the AIDS and Reagan comments Tarc Jun 2016 #65

I buried the love of my life back then, also half my friends and mentors. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #79

You get out what you put in, as the saying goes Tarc Jun 2016 #91

I'll just let readers read what you have just said and what I said. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #105

The readers will see you dredging up some thing Hillary said that she already apologized for Tarc Jun 2016 #116

"Love and Kindness" QC Jun 2016 #128

I am so sorry Blue. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #126

This^^^ Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #110

Some are not sophisticated and well read enough to understand that historical context. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #45

So that's what we're doing now? Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #55

To the extent that you wish to demonize everything about those Republicans that have served this Trust Buster Jun 2016 #97

Disingenuous bullshit. blackspade Jun 2016 #115

Being a Democratic website does not mean that one must hate every aspect of Republicans. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #122

Snort. blackspade Jun 2016 #137

There isn't a fucking "tea party left" blackspade Jun 2016 #57

No freeper ever hated liberals more than QC Jun 2016 #69

No kidding. blackspade Jun 2016 #96

"Hating" is going crazy over Hillary complimenting past presidents. Projection. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #103

No, hating is his kind of stuff. QC Jun 2016 #113

Nope, hating is being so sanctimonious as believing everything is black and white and good and evil Trust Buster Jun 2016 #118

I find the Cavers at DI to be more open minded and friendly. Autumn Jun 2016 #214

Post #97 applies to your post as well. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #99

Chah! What do you think this is? The Democratic Underground? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #162

Because the best way to win a general election is call the other party names. BootinUp Jun 2016 #40

Somebody just above you referred to progressives Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #67

I used the term "Tea Party Left" as it applies to totally demonizing the service of past presidents Trust Buster Jun 2016 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #225

Re-read the OP and maybe you will understand the subject matter better. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #226

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #227

Hillary said none of that in the OP. Go re-read the OP so you have a better understanding of the Trust Buster Jun 2016 #229

Because she's not the "burn the whole house down and demonize everyone" person that a Trust Buster Jun 2016 #41

Obama pinned a medal on Poppy Octafish Jun 2016 #42

Because hating on an old man that served his country in WWII, the CIA, the vice presidency and Trust Buster Jun 2016 #47

HW Bush was a murderer and a coward WDIM Jun 2016 #83

Your over the top and sanctimonious attitude does not impress me at all. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #109

If reality is over the top and sanctimonious for you WDIM Jun 2016 #121

Get a grip. Re-read the OP. It criticized Hillary for saying that H.W. asked her opinions and Trust Buster Jun 2016 #124

Terrorists for Bush Octafish Jun 2016 #132

Not hate, telling the truth. Octafish Jun 2016 #130

Revolting Doctor_J Jun 2016 #54

Democrats have been taken over WDIM Jun 2016 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #58

That was the straw that broke the camel's back. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #72

So we, as liberals, are expected to believe ... surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #89

Eliz. Warren explained it a few years back. QC Jun 2016 #92

Warren certainly received the treatment from Summers about the Club. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #144

She certainly did, and then she compounded her grievous sin QC Jun 2016 #145

Roll out those tortured rationales, oh brave cognitive dissonants. RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #117

I have no problem with her saying truthful nice things about Bush dsc Jun 2016 #140

Hitler created the autobahn and the VW bug Buzz cook Jun 2016 #151

Really? blackspade Jun 2016 #155

We were headed toward Godwin's rule Buzz cook Jun 2016 #160

Maybe you should run for president on those observations. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #163

Gotta remember this excellent comeback. Unfortunately... LAS14 Jun 2016 #174

How to explain that? It's pretty easy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #154

That's a lousy explanation. blackspade Jun 2016 #156

Okay ... But that IS how the real world works. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #164

Especially when criminals are given a pass. blackspade Jun 2016 #167

Why should we have to explain it? Do we want... LAS14 Jun 2016 #157

Sorry, not giving the Bush criminals a pass. blackspade Jun 2016 #166

So acknowledging a good thing about someone is giving... LAS14 Jun 2016 #173

That poster is way out there. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #175

Way out where? blackspade Jun 2016 #183

It's a big club, and although you're not in it, we insist you vote for it. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #158

How is acknowledging what is probably simply true "pivoting to the right???" nt LAS14 Jun 2016 #165

Some think that politicians should be kicking each other in the balls or ovaries. grossproffit Jun 2016 #168

Some balls and ovaries deserve to be kicked. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #169

If your goal is going to jail for assault and battery. grossproffit Jun 2016 #170

A lot if hatred in this thread over nothing. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #176

And a lot of casuistry, sophistry, obscurantism as well... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #180

That is disturbing DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #184

I find the language and imagery disturbing. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #185

A lot of the comments defending her statements are unbelievable to me. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #177

Ain't that some shit? d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #178

It's the new way. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #193

It is very simple to explain. potone Jun 2016 #186

Beings the current Prez Go Vols Jun 2016 #188

OMG, is Team Hill openly embracing the Bushes now? Hydra Jun 2016 #190

If "praising" means speaking the truth. As NY Senator she relied on Bush to get the funding needed glennward Jun 2016 #194

It was dishonest of her to lie for the Bushes to get them a blank check for the Iraq war Hydra Jun 2016 #197

Huh? Lie for the Bushes? When, where? You mean voting for the war like so many other glennward Jun 2016 #216

Lol Hydra Jun 2016 #223

Oh my gawd! She's a grown up that behaves professionally! Lil Missy Jun 2016 #192

I've noticed how many Republicans have praised Obama. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #195

DU liberals justifying this... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #201

Sickening, ain't it? pokerfan Jun 2016 #212

Obviously they're not liberals. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #230

Have you ever watched the House or Senate in action on C-Span? George II Jun 2016 #202

I imagine she's trying to get votes from Republicans who can't stand Trump gollygee Jun 2016 #203

The optics is all true and has been for 50 years. gordianot Jun 2016 #205

The vitriol being spewed in this post primary season is what happens redstateblues Jun 2016 #208

That red arrow felix_numinous Jun 2016 #224

He was committed to getting New York money to rebuild -- as praise goes, that's hardly even praise fishwax Jun 2016 #228

and that's supposed to convince people BainsBane Jun 2016 #233

Sure, cut the crap. blackspade Jun 2016 #237

A presidential candidate doesn't get to do scorched-earth... Orsino Jun 2016 #235

One word. Carter. blackspade Jun 2016 #238