2016 Postmortem

jamese777

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155. From the American Conservative Union in 2014

Reply to ThinkCritically (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:18 PM

Jun 2016

"Another interesting fact in our analysis is the stark reminder that Sec. Hillary Clinton is no moderate. While many in the media portray her as more centrist than self-described Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) or fringe activist Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Clinton’s lifetime rating of 8.13% is within two percentage points from those extremists. And shockingly, all three of these presidential hopefuls are even more liberal than President Barack Obama’s Lifetime Rating of 10% from when he served in the U.S. Senate. If America wants a third Obama term, three candidates will not disappoint."
An American Conservative Union voting rating of 100 is perfect conservative for example Marco Rubio's rating is 97%.
In every presidential election there are Republicans who vote for the Democrat and vice-versa. They don't need to be "courted." Barack Obama got 8% of registered Republcans in 2008 and 6% in 2012.
What's happening this year is that there are Republicans pubicly announcing that they can't vote for Trump and there are Democrats who can't vote for Clinton. They will most likely cancel each other out.

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If Hillary Clinton starts courting republicans, [View all] ThinkCritically Jun 2016 OP

Tick tock, tick tock ... less than 24 hours to go n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #1

I guess I need to use my time wisely! ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #2

ThinkCritically, please rethink. Our elected Hortensis Jun 2016 #18

Trust me, at the end of her campaign you still won't really know where she stands on anything. -nt- NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #104

HRC has a long liberal record, which is WHY the RW hates her so. Look it up... Hekate Jun 2016 #129

I wasn't born yesterday. I've been a registered Democrat since 1976. I know all I need to know NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #168

NC, HUAC is the House Unamerican Activities Committee. Hortensis Jun 2016 #182

how is she pottedplant Jun 2016 #130

LOL Let the lock step begin. To hell with the First Amendment. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #5

The First Amendment has NOTHING to do with this place, do you understand the First Amendment? SFnomad Jun 2016 #8

Do you? Would you even care if they were taken away? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #13

Clearly you don't know what your 1A rights are ... you might want to look it up or have someone SFnomad Jun 2016 #15

Free speech certainly won't apply here and you are just fine with that. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #25

If this website censors what you can say, your 1A "Freedom of Speech" rights have NOT been violated SFnomad Jun 2016 #29

I never said it did. Enjoy your censorship. I will be using my First Amendment rights elsewhere. n Live and Learn Jun 2016 #47

Yes you did post #5 .... "LOL Let the lock step begin. To hell with the First Amendment." SFnomad Jun 2016 #50

Comprehension, much? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #52

Clearly my comprehension skills are better than yours n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #55

In your mind, I am sure they are. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #58

And in reality as well ... you should really quit before you embarrass yourself any more n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #60

Pretty obvious your unable to feel it. Reality apparently differs for us. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #68

You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #71

Why not? You sure do. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #72

Ok, enough with you ... let me know when you understand your 1A rights ... buh bye n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #73

Ohhh, I'm going to miss you so. Don't forget to come up for another breather sometime. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #76

buh bye n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #80

You already said that. Are you stuck on repeat mode? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #82

What part didn't you understand .. the buh ... or the bye? buh bye n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #83

You really are stuck. Reprogram time. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #85

Definitely true, but is that really saying much of anything? Number23 Jun 2016 #163

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #112

Most right-wing authoritarians don't. There are plenty of those posting here. Broward Jun 2016 #46

You got that right. I think I hooked a couple. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #70

DU is privately owned and operated. Do you think the Admins (ie the owners) are RW authoritarians? Hekate Jun 2016 #137

So, you know nothing about the First Amendment. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #17

You got nothing. I don't do lock step. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #23

Nor do you do facts. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #36

Ridiculous. You are the one that doesn't understand. Someday you may. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #51

It's a privately owned website, not a newspaper. Sorry Charlie. Hekate Jun 2016 #138

Still censorship. I never said it violated MY first Amendment rights, now did I? Live and Learn Jun 2016 #169

Private censorship deathrind Jun 2016 #167

jr. high school tabasco Jun 2016 #153

Yeah, that's what I think about OPs like this too n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #156

So, it's fine by you that she plays with republicans instead of progressives ... earthshine Jun 2016 #185

She won't need to do that. Many Republicans will vote for her MineralMan Jun 2016 #3

Hard to fight a 55% disapproval. seabeckind Jun 2016 #34

Please stop what? MineralMan Jun 2016 #39

Not listening. seabeckind Jun 2016 #64

Hard to fight a 55% disapproval.<<< not when Trump is at 70% AntiBank Jun 2016 #122

The sun will come out tomorrow... brooklynite Jun 2016 #125

I dunno, its been raining for days here in Stockholm, lolol AntiBank Jun 2016 #127

And you have no idea how strong not-Trump feeling is. The WA post survey pnwmom Jun 2016 #177

Hillary is driving his support AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #77

GOP women will stand in the voting booths and contemplate the orange misogynist.... Hekate Jun 2016 #134

Will never happen AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #157

Do you understand the concept of swing voters AT ALL? Hekate Jun 2016 #158

Interesting - a few months ago Bernie folks were all in on him... wyldwolf Jun 2016 #4

+1 n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #9

The Third Way began recruiting them long ago with the DLC and the Clintons as founders. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #10

Not by praising George W Bush. Bernie courted them based on the same issues he was promoting to think Jun 2016 #11

So you think Bernie was going to win the Republican votes by not praising them? wyldwolf Jun 2016 #118

Bernie wasn't sucking up to Bush who condoned torture & went to war on lies like Hillary is doing. think Jun 2016 #120

So you think Bernie was going to win the Republican votes by not praising them? wyldwolf Jun 2016 #126

Hillary can praise war pigs who tortured all she wants. Bernie won't stoop to that level think Jun 2016 #132

Fortunately for us, we'll never find out. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #133

Did George W Bush condone torture? Did he send us to war based on lies? Do you think he deserves think Jun 2016 #135

We'll never have to find out how many people Bernie Sanders would scare and run off from the party wyldwolf Jun 2016 #136

Deflect much? think Jun 2016 #140

Lose much? wyldwolf Jun 2016 #141

And you deflect again. Way to double down... think Jun 2016 #142

And you'll lose next time, too wyldwolf Jun 2016 #143

Can't give an honest answer so you must toss out taunts. Got ya.... think Jun 2016 #145

can't win an election so you must toss out rhetorical questions. Got ya... wyldwolf Jun 2016 #147

If the questions are rhetorical then I assume you believe Bush did condone torture, lied us into war think Jun 2016 #148

the questions are rhetorical and are only being asked because Bernie lost and lost badly wyldwolf Jun 2016 #149

Hillary heaped praise on Bush the GOP war pig who tortured. But Hillary supported torture back then think Jun 2016 #150

Bernie couldn't win an election because he was incompetent ... wyldwolf Jun 2016 #151

Alright, wolf. Direct question for you. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #166

Irrelevant wyldwolf Jun 2016 #179

Nice avoidance. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #180

It's completely irrelevant. I'm not running for president or trying to get votes wyldwolf Jun 2016 #181

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #183

I think you're surprised when someone gives it right back to you. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #186

Bernie was courting Independents. Thos who have divested from both parties because they NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #172

Bernie was courting Republicans wyldwolf Jun 2016 #178

And therein lies the difference that Clinton supporters don't get... blackspade Jun 2016 #152

Courting people seabeckind Jun 2016 #40

Yes they use to brag about all the republicans that were going to workinclasszero Jun 2016 #45

Well, two things. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #57

Apart from speaking at Liberty College? sweetloukillbot Jun 2016 #66

Gee the berners forgot all about Bernie's republican outreach workinclasszero Jun 2016 #79

BUT BERNIE did not GO RIGHTWARD, he pulled them to the left. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #67

Exactly! n/t KoKo Jun 2016 #103

Sad that her supporters are incapable of grasping this concept on their own vintx Jun 2016 #146

The hypocrisy is stunning. smh Hekate Jun 2016 #139

Republicans will never, ever vote for her AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #6

There are already many "Refugee Republicans" abandoning Trump HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #12

They will not vote for Hillary AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #16

Is your crystal ball using cable, satellite or a digital antenna? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #21

The absolute certainty of that posters every utterance here makes me chuckle. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #28

Or is it a brown glass bottle,? okasha Jun 2016 #117

Every candidate gets cross over voters. When SBS talked about outreach he was lauded. And her spread bettyellen Jun 2016 #14

Hillary will get zero Republican votes AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #20

Of course she will, every candidate does. Tons of republicans hate Trump enough..... bettyellen Jun 2016 #26

Then she will lose AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #41

She doesn't need to shift RW or to adopt Sanders policies either--a lanslide is the prediction. bettyellen Jun 2016 #49

Republicans will never vote for her AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #56

You keep repeating yourself as if that will make it true. bettyellen Jun 2016 #59

Sad and delusional is right. I can't wait for tomorrow. grossproffit Jun 2016 #88

He's clicking the heels of his red sparkly shoes while he says it, so that will help a little. Squinch Jun 2016 #154

That must be why people like Susan Collins are publicly talking about supporting her. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #19

God forbid she should try to broaden her base and win the election. comradebillyboy Jun 2016 #7

Hillary should do it by promoting the Democratic issues not by praising the likes of George W Bush. think Jun 2016 #22

She isn't doing anything of the sort. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #98

Hillary Clinton invokes unlikely allies on the stump — the Bushes think Jun 2016 #99

"It's a big club and we ain't in it!" pokerfan Jun 2016 #161

+1,000,000,000 chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #170

It's the people she is courting that worries me. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #24

Are you seriously saying Amaril Jun 2016 #35

I am not saying anything of the sort comradebillyboy Jun 2016 #44

"Broaden her base" also shrinks it Miles Archer Jun 2016 #62

Yup. I see Hillary's candidacy as just a speed bump The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #102

i don't know that she has to "broaden her base" at all to win and win big 0rganism Jun 2016 #87

Actually - that is a 3rd Way Democrat FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #27

... MoonRiver Jun 2016 #30

Keep sleeping through the election. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #31

I will only be sleeping through the election irrelevancies. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #63

"if you don't vote for the Republican, the Republicans win!" MisterP Jun 2016 #32

+1 ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #33

Truman said it right: WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #48

She's already gone after Bush donors. She's a right-winger. Broward Jun 2016 #37

Nah WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #54

No. she is not a right-winger OKNancy Jun 2016 #78

When it comes to foreign policy, she IS a right-winger. John Poet Jun 2016 #113

I'd like to think that even you will admit... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #115

For some of us this was a showstopper long ago. WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #38

Tick-tock, tick-tock says the clock Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #42

Constructive criticism will be allowed. totodeinhere Jun 2016 #61

So tomorrow we'll go Green WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #65

Actually, no you won't leftofcool Jun 2016 #74

Thanks for making my point WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #81

You log out and don't come back tammywammy Jun 2016 #114

Many will vote for her because Trump is so horrible. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #43

I'm glad you brought that up. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #171

Your premise is false. Try to follow the topic posited in the OP. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #174

Wrong. My hypothesis is possible. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #176

lolz you guys! obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #53

Every successful public speaker targets their audience. procon Jun 2016 #69

Sanders spoke in front of Liberty University. OKNancy Jun 2016 #75

On Rosh Hashana to boot. grossproffit Jun 2016 #89

If? azurnoir Jun 2016 #84

Depends on what you mean by "courts" Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #86

Are you fine with them wanting Condi Rice advising on foreign affairs? peacebird Jun 2016 #95

I'll wait for a more "official" source on that one Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #119

I would like to think no DUer would need this explained to them. However, just in case... stevenleser Jun 2016 #90

Trump = Franco/Marcos/Batista/Somoza/Trujilo/Reza Pahlavi/Sigmund Rhee DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #91

Psst Hekate Jun 2016 #160

If progressives insist on being an unreliable voting block... Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #92

I hate republicans MFM008 Jun 2016 #93

If she doesn't reach out to republicans she's an idiot. Buzz cook Jun 2016 #94

President of America which unfortunately includes Republicans MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #96

Huh? Bush is good and Bernie is bad? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #97

The "censorship" isn't going to go like the Clintonite neoliberals think it will go. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #100

I hope so RobertEarl Jun 2016 #101

They won't be necessary, because 'protected' anti-Semites won't be able to smear Democrats. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #105

That would be great! RobertEarl Jun 2016 #106

Agreed. I honestly don't know what they'll talk about since they won't be able to smear Bernie. w4rma Jun 2016 #107

No, it's not Miles Archer Jun 2016 #108

Yup. They are authoritarians and think in authoritarian terms. They do not see what is coming. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #109

Not sure what you mean by "courting" Martin Eden Jun 2016 #110

And where were you RandySF Jun 2016 #111

He didn't "court" Liberty University. He spoke there and he didn't change his tune for their Vinca Jun 2016 #116

Hillary should go wherever she wants for votes. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #121

Is this your first election? Dem2 Jun 2016 #123

You realizw that EVERY winning Democratic candidate make outreach to Republcans? brooklynite Jun 2016 #124

....And that's why Bernie lost the primary, and would lose the GE yuuuuugely. Hekate Jun 2016 #128

Were you as outraged when Sanders was courting Republicans? riversedge Jun 2016 #131

She's Joe Liberman with better PR jfern Jun 2016 #144

From the American Conservative Union in 2014 jamese777 Jun 2016 #155

And one of Sanders' big selling points was that he would attract "independents" baldguy Jun 2016 #159

They hate her guts. azmom Jun 2016 #162

When Obama courted conservatives in 08 I applauded him DJ13 Jun 2016 #164

No surprise. deathrind Jun 2016 #165

Her natural constituency. senz Jun 2016 #173

The more Bernie people who say they won't vote for her, the more centrists she'll need pnwmom Jun 2016 #175

She's running for president of the United States, not just of Democrats. Orsino Jun 2016 #184

Really? You'd better not read THIS Dec 2015 link, then--I think it might up-end your world view.... MADem Jun 2016 #187