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AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
146. you are just flat out wrong (and you do not understand our government and judicial system here)
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

Here is an English article that debunks your claim entirely


The claim that Swedish courts, not government, have final say on extradition is a crucial mistake that distorts the Assange case


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/24/new-statesman-error-assange-swedish-extradition

The falsehood here is clear and straightforward. One of the "myths" Green purported to debunk was that "Sweden should guarantee that there be no extradition to USA." Assange's lawyers, along with Ecuadorean officials, have repeatedly told Sweden and Britain that Assange would immediately travel to Stockholm to face these allegations if some type of satisfactory assurance against extradition to the US could be given. This is the paramount issue because it shows that it is not Assange and Ecuadorean officials – but rather the Swedish and British governments – who are preventing the sex assault allegations from being fairly and legally resolved as they should be.

But Green claimed that "It would not be legally possible for Swedish government to give any guarantee about a future extradition, and nor would it have any binding effect on the Swedish legal system in the event of a future extradition request." He said that this is so in part because "any final word on an extradition would (quite properly) be with an independent Swedish court, and not the government giving the purported 'guarantee'." He then cited a British lawyer (notably, not a Swedish one) who made the same claim:

"It appears that if the extradition is contested as it would be in Assange's case then it is a matter for the court not the government to decide if he is extradited."

This is completely and unquestionably false. It is simply untrue that it is Swedish courts, rather than the Swedish government, who are the final decision-makers in extradition requests. It is equally untrue that the Swedish government has no final decision-making power regarding extradition requests that are legally sanctioned by the Swedish judiciary. These are not matters for reasonable debate. The law is clear. Green's claim is false.


Last night, international law professor Kevin Jon Heller at Melbourne Law School emailed me and wrote:

"It is incorrect to say that the final decision to extradite Assange from Sweden to the US would be made by the courts."

He directed me to this analysis from Mark Klamberg – a professor of international law at the University of Stockholm – who dissects Sweden's extradition law and makes Green's error as clear as it can be [my emphasis]:

"How does procedure work if somebody is to extradited from Sweden? … If the person referred to in the request has not consented to being extradited, the case shall be tried by the supreme court. Section 20(1) provides that if the supreme court has considered that there is a legal obstacle to extradition the request may not be granted.

"Even if the supreme court has found that there are no obstacles, the government can refuse extradition. This is because section 1(1) provides that if certain conditions are fulfilled, a person 'may' not 'shall' be extradited. In other words, even if the prosecutor-general and the supreme court finds that all conditions for extradition are fulfilled the government may veto such extradition. It does not work in the reverse way, the government can not grant extradition if the supreme court has found that any of the required conditions are lacking."

Let's repeat that: "Even if the supreme court has found that there are no obstacles, the government can refuse extradition." And: "Even if the prosecutor-general and the supreme court finds that all conditions for extradition are fulfilled the government may veto such extradition." In other words, under clear Swedish law, the Swedish government has exactly the final decision-making authority over extradition that Green told his readers it lacks.


Professor Klamberg is far from alone in making this clear. As I noted on Wednesday, this Swedish-Moroccon lawyer analyzed Swedish extradition law in rigorous detail to make the same point:

"Swedish extradition law clearly states that the Swedish government is the body deciding on any extradition request."

Moreover:

"No provision gives any court the right to decide on an extraditions request."



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also see

Extradition for Criminal Offences (this IS from our government, orginal sourced Swedish Law)

http://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/ministry-of-justice/international-judicial-co-operation/extradition-for-criminal-offences/


Procedure

Any state that desires the extradition of a person must make a request for extradition to the Central Authority, enclosing the report of the investigation on which the application request is based.

The Central Authority scrutinises the request to see if there is obvious reason why it should not be approved; if this is the case, the Government shall reject the request without delay. Otherwise the request is forwarded to the Office of the Prosecutor-General, which is required to determine whether the conditions for extradition laid down by law are met in this particular case. The actual investigation of the case follows the rules for preliminary investigations and is conducted by the regional or local public prosecution office in which district the person who is sought for extradition lives. If the person whose extradition is requested opposes extradition, it falls to the Supreme Court to examine whether extradition can be legally granted under the conditions laid down by law. The Supreme Court then delivers its opinion to the Government for use in its examination of the case. If the person involved does not oppose to extradition, the report from the investigation is instead delivered directly from the Prosecutor-General to the Government, which then makes its decision. If the request is approved, a date is set by which the person must be surrendered to the requesting state. With the assistance of Interpol, the police authority concerned determines a time and place for surrendering the person to the other state.

If the Supreme Court finds that there is any legal impediment to extradition, the Government is not allowed to approve the request. The Government can, however, refuse extradition even if the Supreme Court has not declared against extradition, as the law states that if certain conditions are fulfilled, a person "may" be extradited - not "shall" be extradited.


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Sweden’s argument for refusing to issue non-extradition guarantees to Mr Assange is fallacious and hides real commitment to the U.S. – Analysis

The Indicter, Vol 2, Nr 31, 20 February 2016

By Prof Marcello Ferrada de Noli PhD.

Chairman of Swedish Doctors for Human Rights and of The Indicter’s Editorial board.

http://theindicter.com/swedens-argument-for-refusing-to-issue-non-extradition-guarantees-to-mr-assange-is-fallacious-and-hides-real-commitment-to-the-u-s-analysis/


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It would be highly appropriate that the Swedish government declares whether they consider Assange a terrorist or not. This is essential for the debate, because top US-govt officials and politicians have already labelled Assange as ‘terrorist’. In this meaning, the extradition request from the part of the U.S. government could be by arguing Assange is indicted on terrorist activities.

Following Judge argumentation, an extradition processed in Sweden under the terrorist legislation does give the government extraordinary powers, meaning, it does not need to submit the case for consideration by the Court. In other words, this crime-categorization would even make the process quicker and less complicated in Sweden.

In the context, there is a very aggravating accusation against Julian Assange which equalizes with the American “cyber terrorist” charges. It was put forward directly by the Swedish military. Assange was accused during a main TV news program ‘Rapport’, broadcasted by the Swedish state TV, of being “blackmailing Sweden” See details on this preposterous accusation on straightforward criminal behaviour, such as blackmailing the Nation of Sweden, in my post “Sweden’s FOI publicly slandering Assange & WikiLeaks while in secret help building missile factory for Saudi Arabia dictatorship“. And who is the accusation-messenger Mr Mike Winnerstig? A reserve-army officer and member of the Swedish Military Academy, was at the time Deputy Director of the Military Research Institute FOA (under the Ministry of Defence). He has participated as lecturer in events sponsored by NATO and the US Embassy in Sweden, and a strong lobbyist for Sweden’s entrance to NATO.


Why the ‘impossibility of non-extradition guarantees’ is a fake?

Simply, because the government of Sweden has the legal possibility of vetoing any court decision, any police authority decision, any immigration authority decision on issues of deportation, extradition or rendition. Period.

I have already clarified in page 18 of my book (2016) “Sweden VS Assange. HR issues & Political Backgrund”: [14]

“At the contrary of what is stated by Swedish sources, it is the Swedish government –and not the judicial system – which ultimately can decide the issue of extradition to a third country. The government is fully entitled to issue guarantees of a non-extradition.”





Tick tock. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
Skinner has no power outside of DU AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #9
Assange won't affect the elections at all. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #38
And you know this how? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #40
95% of voters don't know who he is and don't care. Nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #42
Irrelevant who has heard of him AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #44
Nope, its not irrelevant. What he says will never reach those folks. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #46
Everyone knows what Wikileaks is AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #48
Nope, most folks don't and most folks don't care. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #69
Including you? rateyes Jun 2016 #106
Wikileaks was only in the news for so long... Blanks Jun 2016 #152
Because the MSM is firmly under control? People will be kept in the dark? senz Jun 2016 #67
Because he never hacked her home server. Whatever he has is from government systems prone to being glennward Jun 2016 #113
lol! Segami Jun 2016 #68
Nobody knows Assange? That's why the Arab Spring never happened, I guess... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #134
If he had anything important he would have already released it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #43
Not necessarily, no. AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #45
He's milking the pre-publicity for all its worth. He wouldn't need to do that pnwmom Jun 2016 #49
Still waiting for teh "whitey" recording. woolldog Jun 2016 #62
This, just like with the FBI! scscholar Jun 2016 #97
Assange is not the FBI. He's an attention seeker. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #108
He's pretty good at what he does. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #64
I agree with much of your post Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #77
I agree with those points. Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #79
Thanks rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #80
I need air freshener after that one... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #111
Threat much? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #114
Less than 24 hours remain. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #78
Life will go on AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #81
I guess then we will .. coco77 Jun 2016 #88
I imagine Skinner has an Administrative decision that is laserhaas Jun 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #138
Man fighting extradition says man fighting extradition says what? Scurrilous Jun 2016 #2
It must not be good news for DotCom. When they start feeling sad, they start lashing out. randome Jun 2016 #7
extradition= must silence this individual at all costs- we cannot allow the truth swhisper1 Jun 2016 #20
The moment he selectively edited the "Collateral Murder" video, he lost all respect. randome Jun 2016 #24
heros? He is not a hero- he is an investigative journalist, a near extinct species swhisper1 Jun 2016 #58
Because he SAYS he's a journalist? So does James O'Keefe! randome Jun 2016 #66
It goes like this... Scurrilous Jun 2016 #52
The US has absolutly no right to extradite a foreign citizen who broke no laws swhisper1 Jun 2016 #54
Wikileaks already has a "Searchable Database" of Hillary's emails FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #3
These emails supposedly came from Guccifer 2.0 NWCorona Jun 2016 #15
of released e-mail. yes now they may have the others. Assange did not say it is dirt, that is Hilbot swhisper1 Jun 2016 #56
So if Assange has all this dirt.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #4
good point. cali Jun 2016 #12
Wikileaks usually does redactions. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #19
These were supposedly recently supplied to them. NWCorona Jun 2016 #16
duh- the primary is not over-its weeks away swhisper1 Jun 2016 #17
Now there's a "coup" in the USA underway? Zorro Jun 2016 #22
Assange is not a whistleblower. Adrahil Jun 2016 #23
sanders people have moved on swhisper1 Jun 2016 #25
Manning is not going to get released. And for good reason. Adrahil Jun 2016 #34
I guess we will know when we know. The unknowns we know cannot be known to civilians, for we know swhisper1 Jun 2016 #59
Not only that, but he never seems interested in exposing Russia. Wonder why? Metric System Jun 2016 #27
Russia isnt hiding their intent, and in other than major cities, they are still using typewriters swhisper1 Jun 2016 #60
No, he's not. He's a fence who gets other people to steal stuff for him. randome Jun 2016 #32
I don't think he has an agenda for the election Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #26
You mean posts like this nuttiness? CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #35
why do you assume it is dirt? Truth isnt always dirt swhisper1 Jun 2016 #57
How many more times are you going to fall for the old "just you wait" routine? randome Jun 2016 #5
Every time Assange says it, these guys believe it. It's like Lucy and the football. Squinch Jun 2016 #29
LOL Scurrilous Jun 2016 #53
. Squinch Jun 2016 #100
It's tiresome, isn't it? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #144
I have nightmares about rapists too Loki Liesmith Jun 2016 #6
Didn't Washington make it illegal for Federal Employees to even look at WikiLeaks? Octafish Jun 2016 #8
Isn't Assange the accused rapist waiting out the statute of limitations in a safe haven? lapucelle Jun 2016 #10
criminality has to be proven, and both women have recanted swhisper1 Jun 2016 #18
SEE his high intelligence? randome Jun 2016 #31
I.m not discussing the allegations, do I have to repeat myself? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #33
You don't have to discuss the rape charges. lapucelle Jun 2016 #124
They have not recanted. And he is avoiding a trial -- that is fact. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #50
Gee. How come the Hill Haters never say that about Hillary? Hekate Jun 2016 #82
Isn't Clinton the woman who defended a rapist? VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #121
Only according to Trump surrogates and Sean Hannity. lapucelle Jun 2016 #122
It wasn't just Hannity and trump surrogates ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #129
Couch surfer says what? Scurrilous Jun 2016 #11
... SidDithers Jun 2016 #13
It's probably 88 gigs of random rantings about the British, the Swedish, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #14
Two criminals making conspiratorial claims about Hillary mwrguy Jun 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #28
LOL. Fevered dreams of Brocialists redstateblues Jun 2016 #84
1 more day RandySF Jun 2016 #30
... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #36
We sure have a lot of foreigners MFM008 Jun 2016 #37
we have alot of foreigners exposing the truths our own country keep from us swhisper1 Jun 2016 #70
Suuuuuure Hekate Jun 2016 #83
The country is not keeping these truths from you. lapucelle Jun 2016 #126
twisted talking heads are not valid sources of news, They speak corporate, not english swhisper1 Jun 2016 #150
It was irony. lapucelle Jun 2016 #154
I wonder what is the status is of the rape trials that Assange is avoiding? pnwmom Jun 2016 #39
It wasn't "legitimate" rape. randome Jun 2016 #41
the whole case is bogus, politically driven, Marianne Ny (chief prosecutor) is a laughing stock here AntiBank Jun 2016 #61
He is resisting going through a trial in Sweden. I tried reading your links pnwmom Jun 2016 #63
there is no trial, he has not even been charged AntiBank Jun 2016 #65
That is not true hack89 Jun 2016 #135
they have categorically stated that that is a possibility, they refuse to AntiBank Jun 2016 #136
Let me see the government's actual words please. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #137
here you go AntiBank Jun 2016 #142
It doesn't say what you think it says hack89 Jun 2016 #143
you are just flat out wrong (and you do not understand our government and judicial system here) AntiBank Jun 2016 #146
Sweden's Ministry of Justice appears to disagree with you hack89 Jun 2016 #147
Sweden's Ministry of Justice appears to disagree with you <<<<< show me AntiBank Jun 2016 #148
the Prime Minster can order Morgan Johansson, the Justitieminister (Head of the Ministry of Justice) AntiBank Jun 2016 #149
Using a virulent Holocaust denier as an Assange defender is classy. Really classy. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #85
what are you talking about? what Holocaust denier? AntiBank Jun 2016 #89
What Holocaust denier? How about the Wikileaks employee and noted Holocaust denier msanthrope Jun 2016 #91
I didn't post shit about or by Israel Shamir, take your lunacy and conspiracy theories elsewhere AntiBank Jun 2016 #94
You most certainly did....the honeypot/CIA defense was originated, without a shred of msanthrope Jun 2016 #96
the possible honeypot nature is far from the central point to all of this, Snowden released docs AntiBank Jun 2016 #99
Be careful of that one. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #119
Ironic you toss this out, as one of Assange's accusers worked for a Swedish group who brought in AntiBank Jun 2016 #109
So you finally used google? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #115
To very good effect, I'd say. You got it handed to you. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #116
Actually, no.... the fact that the poster chooses to go after the victim is instructive. msanthrope Jun 2016 #120
Yes. That is what is being suggested. randome Jun 2016 #125
I am going after the entirety of all the events AntiBank Jun 2016 #131
No....you aren't. The fact that you repeated the narrative of a Wikileaks employee regarding the msanthrope Jun 2016 #139
no AntiBank Jun 2016 #140
It is you who used the story of a virulent Holocaust denier. It is you who suggested the msanthrope Jun 2016 #141
and its you who cherry pick any angle, first off by seizing AntiBank Jun 2016 #145
Racketeer says fugitive rapist will be Hillary's worst nightmare? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47
Assange is not a rapist, you have very little understanding obviously of the case here in Sweden AntiBank Jun 2016 #73
For someone who lives in Sweden you don't seem to know how criminal investigations there work YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #103
because he is a target of an bogus, arbitrary investigation (the United Nations says so) AntiBank Jun 2016 #105
I'm sure Assange, like most rapists, does feel that the investigation is bogus YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #107
lol, still on with the smears, well goodbye to you, you dont even have the intelligence to put in AntiBank Jun 2016 #110
That's not what the report says. lapucelle Jun 2016 #127
No, it also says the case is arbitrary AntiBank Jun 2016 #132
Here is the US we call that waiting out the statute of limitations. lapucelle Jun 2016 #123
you are conflating issues AntiBank Jun 2016 #133
Why is going to try and penetrate her while she's sleeping? I'm MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #51
It's telling that Assange jumped bail. YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #55
The phrase you're looking for is: "a unique perspective on criminal justice". brooklynite Jun 2016 #71
he DID NOT jump bail, the case had been dropped when he left Sweden AntiBank Jun 2016 #75
Yes.....he did jump bail. That's why bail was forfeited by those who put it up in the UK. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #86
I was referring to Swedish case, not the UK bail AntiBank Jun 2016 #90
Bail was never set in Sweden. But, he gets to go to jail in the UK for jumping bail, a crime msanthrope Jun 2016 #92
The Swedish government has said nothing of the sort. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #95
they refuse to offer a non extradition guarantee, and there possibly is a sealed indictment AntiBank Jun 2016 #98
It was dropped and then reopened. lapucelle Jun 2016 #128
I know this, thats was mentioned in my first posts AntiBank Jun 2016 #130
May the truth come out. May corruption have nowhere to hide. senz Jun 2016 #72
He better hurry. The year WhiteTara Jun 2016 #74
Tick tock! stevenleser Jun 2016 #93
The US cannot and has not charged Assange with anything. YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #102
Chances are... MrWendel Jun 2016 #104
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #117
Why doesn't this creep man up and surrender The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #151
Kim Dotcom: Who gives a shit what that thieving, objectivist fuck thinks? n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #153
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