2016 Postmortem

Orsino

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177. "No more war" as a call to end the longest wars ever is a good thing.

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:22 PM

Aug 2016

"No more war" that really only meant "until there's some reason to start another" would also be a defensible stance.

If all it really meant was "no Clinton," that's a murkier affair.

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I hate protestors. it's so....unAmerican [View all] Armstead Jul 2016 OP

Thank you! Raster Jul 2016 #1

Lordy is right. pangaia Jul 2016 #2

Comparing them to war protesters treestar Jul 2016 #3

What part of "No more war" is not anti war? think Jul 2016 #4

If that was their only protest, but it wasn't CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #24

are they really protesting a war? treestar Jul 2016 #66

They didn't get the antiwar candidate they wanted. Orsino Jul 2016 #150

Did none of them know that Sanders said he would continue to use drones? bettyellen Jul 2016 #160

"Less war" isn't as pithy, but is a fine stance. n/t Orsino Jul 2016 #162

I agree, but it's not what I heard from people. No blood on Sanders hands.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #169

"No more war" as a call to end the longest wars ever is a good thing. Orsino Aug 2016 #177

If they are shouting it over a speaker making the case for Hilllary or against Trump, anamandujano Jul 2016 #95

According to your definitions its trivial Armstead Jul 2016 #7

I would expect hecklers to get their asses tossed out of a Republican convention. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #11

Of course it does. Free speech rights are protected against GOVERNMENTAL interference........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #137

No, it really doesn't. The Democratic party has a first amendment right to geek tragedy Jul 2016 #139

Of course not treestar Jul 2016 #67

Why on earth not? Is there a better place? truebluegreen Jul 2016 #93

Why the hell not? TDale313 Jul 2016 #108

Exactly SirBrockington Jul 2016 #80

No, we were elected pledged delegates k8conant Jul 2016 #164

Who decides what's "terrible"? nt MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #114

Tactics matter. JoePhilly Jul 2016 #5

I agree it's not terribly smart. I'd even say it's stupid. Armstead Jul 2016 #9

dissent is voting for Sanders in the roll call or contesting platform planks. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #12

Exactly. Andy823 Jul 2016 #70

I agree with you. Lifelong Protester Jul 2016 #112

Yet even that was sneered and ridiculed by many at DU. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #128

there was ... dissent on that subject. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #129

I am fully on-board with that. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #130

cheers nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #131

Well said! It all boils down to that. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #170

Others would like to be allowed to celebrate ... JoePhilly Jul 2016 #18

Could you please explain to me Demobrat Jul 2016 #61

They've already said the have no plan to do so and that they will never change their minds. JoePhilly Jul 2016 #68

Frankly not only are these hecklers' voters not needed they're not attainable. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #69

We heard them yelling at Bernie for selling out and at Elizabeth Warren..... Historic NY Jul 2016 #101

Weren't you the same person who was defending them using the free speech argument? CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #74

No, I wasn't. JoePhilly Jul 2016 #77

Different "Joe". The other ones a Bernie supporter , but not a BoB-er. nt pkdu Jul 2016 #85

The reactions you're seeing ... NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #54

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #63

+ 1 JoePhilly Jul 2016 #72

|+1,000 CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #91

Well, that and their 15 minutes of fame. SharonClark Jul 2016 #146

I'm sure if they were booing and heckling Bernie if he had won sufrommich Jul 2016 #6

No I wouldn't....I'd be pissed. But I wouldn't be right wing about it. Armstead Jul 2016 #13

Do you think mimicking right wingers by chanting "lock her up" sufrommich Jul 2016 #23

+1 RonniePudding Jul 2016 #46

MOST of them! John Poet Jul 2016 #47

I am tired to the Freedom of Speach argument - it bogus CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #94

Well stated. anamandujano Jul 2016 #96

Who is being "rightwing"? procon Jul 2016 #78

there's protests and then there's attempts to disrupt others' expression of their free speech geek tragedy Jul 2016 #8

The hard core will leave the party anyway. Armstead Jul 2016 #14

they were never part of the party, they just pretended to be Democrats geek tragedy Jul 2016 #17

How in the fuck did they get convention credentials in the first place? - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #115

they registered at caucuses, etc, showed up at county conventions, etc. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #116

Hmm. Going to a convention takes some serious do-re-mi. Wonder how KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #119

The GOP has engaged in a lot of funding for Greens. Random efforts to fund adamant opponents of Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #143

I have been a Democrat for 45+ years... k8conant Jul 2016 #165

Exactly!! They are shutting down very speech that will best defend them. unitedwethrive Jul 2016 #15

There is a time and place, IMO Adrahil Jul 2016 #10

I actually kind of agree with you. Armstead Jul 2016 #19

Dissent is one thing... Adrahil Jul 2016 #22

I am ashamed of you for even defending them in half hearted manner. CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #89

Protesting the war when Elijah Cummings is talking about Civil Rights makes a lot of sense still_one Jul 2016 #16

Interesting. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #20

Naw, I'll admit I was adament about BLM disrupting Bernie... Armstead Jul 2016 #26

That's called getting owned Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #30

Naw...You think I forgot what I wrote? Armstead Jul 2016 #33

+1 RonniePudding Jul 2016 #49

Many of the protesters are declaring they are voting Green according to their social media posts. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #35

Yep. Me too. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #38

Yep- and veiled sexism because women noticed Hillary would help them.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #161

Except they did protest Hillary, and they protested O'Malley too. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #86

Thread over stevil Jul 2016 #87

Be honest. You objected to him being shouted down by BLM, and BLM "overshadowing" his supporters Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #145

hahaha obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #28

Yes, very interesting. LOL grossproffit Jul 2016 #32

Not all protests are bad according to some people who are up in arms now Armstead Jul 2016 #39

Equally interesting Armstead Jul 2016 #36

Very interesting. Lisa D Jul 2016 #37

So? melman Jul 2016 #40

Owned. Maven Jul 2016 #55

Good catch! johnp3907 Jul 2016 #59

Ouch. Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #71

HA! That's the exact type hypocrisy I just commented on. Double standards R B Garr Jul 2016 #134

These aren't protesters. Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #21

It's a thinly disguised chance to keep bashing without getting a hide Arazi Jul 2016 #25

Agreed. kstewart33 Jul 2016 #27

There is a time and a place for everything. I want to hear Clinton's message. Tatiana Jul 2016 #29

Well I'm far away from Philly...and if I were there I wouldn't be protesting her speech Armstead Jul 2016 #44

I agree with you there. This country was founded on dissent. Tatiana Jul 2016 #65

ALL protest is being demonized? I think you're being little hyperbolic there... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #99

Are you just baiting people? SharonClark Jul 2016 #147

I agree. It's as if some of our leaders have become Gods. This isn't ancient Rome. jalan48 Jul 2016 #31

that's what is really creeping me out Locrian Jul 2016 #107

Like Bernie? SharonClark Jul 2016 #148

Like any of them. Seems like a lot of "Thou shalt not disagree and How Dare You!" jalan48 Jul 2016 #149

What's funny is that you would love to lock the doors on the Democratic Party unless someone DanTex Jul 2016 #34

The far left litmus test? Sure anyone more conservative than Abbie Hoffman shouldn;t be allowed in Armstead Jul 2016 #41

Yup. How do you feel about pro-TPP Dems? How do you feel about Dems who don't want DanTex Jul 2016 #50

There is no "far left" operative in this country you are referring to New Dealers and 2nd Bill TheKentuckian Jul 2016 #122

Sure there is. The assclowns booing at the convention. DanTex Jul 2016 #123

No, but when people are misbehaving... hurple Jul 2016 #42

I was an avid anti-war protestor... liberalmuse Jul 2016 #43

I agree with you...This response it totally reasonable. Armstead Jul 2016 #52

Sorry, but NO. auntpurl Jul 2016 #45

Yes!!!! mcar Jul 2016 #58

May suggest reading our Constituion Cryptoad Jul 2016 #48

Geez Armstead, don't you know that impolite protests are soooo 2015? Vattel Jul 2016 #51

Nang? I guess my current cultural literacy is somewhere around 2005. Armstead Jul 2016 #56

I just came across it. Vattel Jul 2016 #124

Using popular sentiment for the purpose of disruption is not protesting, it's concern trolling (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #53

If only these folks would have had the same energy maxrandb Jul 2016 #57

protesting is one thing Skittles Jul 2016 #60

I know, right? Cant we just relegate them to a Free Speech Zone? demwing Jul 2016 #62

I think most of the busters are plants Politicub Jul 2016 #64

Dirty hippies. B Calm Jul 2016 #73

No, they're not even that. Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #79

Woosh B Calm Jul 2016 #81

Yeah, exactly. Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #83

There's a lot of anger/angst that's not being adequately addressed. Dems ignore @ their peril. OKDem08 Jul 2016 #75

There is a time and a place SirBrockington Jul 2016 #76

yep, some look long and hard for the enemy stupidicus Jul 2016 #82

Recced Chitown Kev Jul 2016 #84

They're petulant spoiled children. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #88

I think the contingent who want to stifle dissent are un-American riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #90

+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #104

I am ashamed of you for even defending them in half hearted manner. CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #92

What a nasty and highly personal attack lacking in content, heavy on insult and adjectives. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #172

I sno't think it is a personal attack to say that I am very highly disagree with anyone... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #175

Actually sounds most like the Republican Teaparty Whimsey Jul 2016 #97

I love a good protest. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #98

A breath of fresh air. reflection Jul 2016 #100

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #102

Criticism will not be tolerated or appreciated. ozone_man Jul 2016 #103

Agreed deathrind Jul 2016 #105

How about we throw an election s RandySF Jul 2016 #106

Exactly Gore1FL Jul 2016 #109

I've never seen anyone at DU say 'I hate protesters lovemydog Jul 2016 #110

I don' hate protesters. I hate censorship and people who try to shut others up by shouting them down Moonwalk Jul 2016 #111

Fabulously well done. zentrum Jul 2016 #113

Hi Armstead! salin Jul 2016 #117

as one who remembers '68 G_j Jul 2016 #118

TRUMP: Every t-shirt, sign & shout should be against HIM... VOX Jul 2016 #120

Tea for two or two for tea... Lottie5 Jul 2016 #121

In general, I think there are better, more productive... BigBoss26 Jul 2016 #125

It's not anti-American BainsBane Jul 2016 #126

Standard argy-bargy that's an inescapable part of any healthy political process . . . MrModerate Jul 2016 #127

Thanks! some comments I have read of late here on DU... Javaman Jul 2016 #132

The atmosphere here seems very authoritarian in nature. Any reasonable disagreement is seen as xocet Jul 2016 #136

Even slight non-complimentary comments about Sanders were not tolerated, so I doubt R B Garr Jul 2016 #133

Stop it. You're being ridiculous TalkingDog Jul 2016 #135

Good point. K & R. n/t xocet Jul 2016 #138

And why doesn't the mainstream Dem Party . . FairWinds Jul 2016 #140

Is it possible for us to have ONE FREAKING DAY to ENJOY HISTORY? Apparently not. Hekate Jul 2016 #141

Where did you hear that, seriously curious? lark Jul 2016 #142

I wrote this yesterday before the evening Armstead Jul 2016 #144

They are not protesting, their purpose is to disrupt. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #151

Now Democratic delegates are being called "unAmerican" right here on DU. stone space Jul 2016 #152

It's interesting that folks who participated in the process and became delegates bigbrother05 Jul 2016 #154

Thank you! k8conant Jul 2016 #167

Some people feel they are superior because they are loyal subjects. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #153

And look what their "protests" accomplished frazzled Jul 2016 #155

ACT UP frequently disrupted events and speeches, so if you are going to invoke that Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #171

I think you misunderstood me frazzled Jul 2016 #174

If these same protests happened last week we'd all be cheering. Capt. Obvious Jul 2016 #156

Let's just jettison the goal of universal healthcare Omaha Steve Jul 2016 #157

Nice to see you around again, Armstead. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #158

Thank You for posting this much-needed message nikto Jul 2016 #159

When you are at Democratic Convention and supposed to be a Democrat, you don't "protest." RBInMaine Jul 2016 #163

???? What does that mean ???? k8conant Jul 2016 #168

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #166

I hate sore losers who sell their delegate credentials and do nothing worthwhile bettyellen Jul 2016 #173

I think you err on the side of too conservative. Jefferson was all for revolutions. George Eliot Jul 2016 #176