2016 Postmortem

Control-Z

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64. No, we don't deserve it.

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 02:32 AM

Nov 2016

Most of us have no idea how to go about stopping it. I've racked my brain trying to figure who to turn to. Which institutions? Which leaders?

I think it is apparent we have a majority who would want the election overturned if asked. If I had the ability to write a decent letter I would send one to President Obama, VP Biden, Hillary, Bill Clinton, Harry Reid, and my California Senators, Boxer and Feinstein. On the republican side - Lindsay Graham, at least. After those I'm out of ideas.

All I really know is we must stop Trump. And we can. It shouldn't take every voter writing a letter, either. Other than a bogus electoral college "win" there isn't one single argument for a Trump Presidency. Everyone knows he's not qualified. Everyone knows he's a liar and a cheat. Republicans know. His supporters know.

Even before the Russians admitted to it, pretty much everyone knew they were collaborating with the Trump campaign. And we all knew that the FBI, specifically James Comey, put out a big fat lie 2 weeks before the election for the sole purpose of turning people against Hillary Clinton. There does not need to be "proof" that these things changed what would have been the outcome of our election. The fact that rogue FBI operators and Russian organizations influenced the outcome is enough.

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If You FEEL IN YOUR GUT that Something STRANGE Occurred on Election Day....You may BE CORRECT! [View all] FrenchieCat Nov 2016 OP

Please K&R....as I think this is very important information FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #1

Comparing 2004 and 2016: Coyotl Nov 2016 #100

Maybe it was. But it was up to Clinton and Obama to secure the vote. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #2

Each state is responsible for the voting in their state. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #24

She won the popular vote. By a margin that may reach 2 million. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #82

Her margin is now bigger than the winning margins for John Kennedy and Richard Nixon. Sunlei Nov 2016 #85

I think the election was meddled with by russia and comey. boston bean Nov 2016 #3

I think we are fucked no matter what the screens show dhol82 Nov 2016 #4

True that I was surprised how fast that was.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #9

It is a sickening prospect, but what to do? MoonRiver Nov 2016 #5

Many states did change their machines after 2000.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #8

K&R gademocrat7 Nov 2016 #6

Went aren't democrats doing anything about this? Control-Z Nov 2016 #7

There are a lot of reasons why they aren't doing anything... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #11

Seriously? cilla4progress Nov 2016 #40

This is what I'm saying cilla4progress Nov 2016 #38

No, we don't deserve it. Control-Z Nov 2016 #64

"Which institutions? Which leaders?" Obviously it would be the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #101

The whole damn thing stinks. There will be books written about it. oasis Nov 2016 #10

I do believe that it is strange on how "they" say FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #15

Add one more to the "his" story books. oasis Nov 2016 #20

Russian hackers surgically manipulated the results, making Karl Rove and Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #12

That would not surprise me in the least ailsagirl Nov 2016 #17

Surely our 17 federal intelligence agencies ... GeorgeGist Nov 2016 #13

Perhaps.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #22

Especially the FBI pandr32 Nov 2016 #29

I have a feeling FrenchieCat was being sarcastic. I doubt it as well. C Moon Nov 2016 #51

You mean the FBI and the other agencies that helped him pnwmom Nov 2016 #69

TRUMP IS A CROOK. Somehow the election was stolen. Will we ever know the truth? trueblue2007 Nov 2016 #14

Most likely not.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #21

K & R. rzemanfl Nov 2016 #16

Yep-- that kind of garbage ailsagirl Nov 2016 #18

KNR Lucinda Nov 2016 #19

I need another option. barbtries Nov 2016 #23

Well, I'll tell you that I don't normally wear a tin foil hat.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #26

yes, yes. barbtries Nov 2016 #70

I'm one who still ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #25

And then of course DU went down.....for an entire week! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #27

It was to keep us from being able to coalesce pandr32 Nov 2016 #31

I certainly needed it....especially to read the analysis of the returns as it was happening FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #33

I have felt from the start the DU hack was part of a multi-prong attack on the election. What can chimpymustgo Nov 2016 #104

Yes that was my first thought too when I heard DU was hacked. Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #109

I'm 100% cilla4progress Nov 2016 #41

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. nt BootinUp Nov 2016 #28

The real struggle, then .. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #92

I am absolutely convinced Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #30

No options for: Possible, with no further comment. or Not Enough Information. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #32

Ok....I did that FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #35

Thank you! Lil Missy Nov 2016 #39

can we not become like Freepers and Breitbart types...people who make up their own facts ericson00 Nov 2016 #34

Can we not tell other people what to do and how to think, FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #37

I hear what you're saying .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #42

KnR, FrenchieCat Hekate Nov 2016 #36

I'll never believe anything else. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #43

I completely agree.. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #44

Why even try anymore? MontanaMama Nov 2016 #45

Soft coup--screwing with the numbers within the MOE. nt MADem Nov 2016 #46

Agree.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #49

Greg Palast has been talking about this. dflprincess Nov 2016 #47

KnR..... alittlelark Nov 2016 #48

K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Nov 2016 #50

K&R radical noodle Nov 2016 #52

K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #53

Thank you for this excellent post! BadGimp Nov 2016 #54

K&R lunamagica Nov 2016 #55

Merci beaucoup Ellipsis Nov 2016 #56

True or not, your research to back it up is impressive! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #57

K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #58

Scariest thing, for me anyway, madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #59

Well i've been feeling that for a week and yes, my gut is pretty reliable... liberalla Nov 2016 #60

Kick PinkTiger Nov 2016 #61

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2016 #62

Greg Palast says it WAS stolen and here's how: Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #63

Thank you for the additional information! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #65

that was my gut feeling from the get go! sherlocksistah Nov 2016 #90

K&R and bookmarked to go over later. R B Garr Nov 2016 #66

Nothing Done Bear Creek Nov 2016 #67

Something Strange? kebob Nov 2016 #68

k and r...nt Stuart G Nov 2016 #71

Excellent research, thanks!! My only tavernier Nov 2016 #72

I question this too ShakeWell Nov 2016 #103

DT knew if he cried Rigged Rigged beforehand & got Dems to denounce that, they couldn't cry the same Overseas Nov 2016 #110

Possible? LP2K12 Nov 2016 #73

The exit polls were wrong on Kerry also, and there were issues in Ohio. wisteria Nov 2016 #74

TPM showed a brexit style flip in candidate victory odds, 9:30 pm, election night. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #75

I'm the person who posted the curious NC results which FrenchieCat reposted. mnhtnbb Nov 2016 #76

Thank your for the comment that I had read in another post.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #102

kick Stuart G Nov 2016 #77

Kick Gin Nov 2016 #78

I felt that way during the election returns get the red out Nov 2016 #79

K and R panader0 Nov 2016 #80

I always figured heaven05 Nov 2016 #81

Motive, opportunity, willingness. byronius Nov 2016 #83

what bothered me the most was the 90,000 detroit ballots where president choice was left blank. Sunlei Nov 2016 #84

I know... LP2K12 Nov 2016 #86

could have been a trend of 'protest non-vote', however the 90k number was way to high, IMO Sunlei Nov 2016 #87

K&R x1000 ShakeWell Nov 2016 #88

Look at the people Trump has with him. There is a dearth honestly and respect for fairness, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #89

K&r Chimichurri Nov 2016 #91

K & R Raastan Nov 2016 #93

Not surprising that 3 of those 4 states have Republican governors. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #94

Other: It was the tip of the ice berg. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #95

Okay then, was D.U hacked? nolabels Nov 2016 #96

My husband is so tired of me saying, "There's something wrong" Lindsea Nov 2016 #97

I'm with you ShakeWell Nov 2016 #106

Our PA county is a bellweather for the state. PADemD Nov 2016 #98

I had a Clinton/Kaine sign and was afraid to put it in my front yard. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #108

So what can we do about it? world wide wally Nov 2016 #99

I agree. K&R, n/t ms liberty Nov 2016 #105

Thus far an overwhelming majority believes FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #107

K&R. Sad we don't have the courage to admit the faults in our elections. Overseas Nov 2016 #111

Agreed! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #112