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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I just LOVE Bernie Sanders for saying this. It is so unsexist and so unmisogynistic! [View all]Demsrule86
(71,274 posts)348. Uniter? Do you worship Benie our support him?  I there a church of Bernie that I have not
        heard about.
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                        I just LOVE Bernie Sanders for saying this.  It is so unsexist and so unmisogynistic! [View all]
							boston bean
							Nov 2016
							OP
                        
        
        Only when it comes to women according to you.  You have a naive view of the world. n/t
        duffyduff
        Nov 2016
        #213
      
        
        Listen to Stiglitz blast TPP on the Ezra Klein podcast. He says that it isn't a trade bill
        Akamai
        Nov 2016
        #330
      
        
        Yup. Seems clear to me that Sanders was reaching out to us on issues,issues, issues!
        Akamai
        Nov 2016
        #388
      
        
        Civil rights are not inclusive? A big ugly part of the "status quo" is ignored to court angry
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #285
      
        
        And no one did that.  That she represented diversity offended the "former base" shows exactly why
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #290
      
        
        I sure don't... Bernie is the truth, our voice, and shows us the way out of the quagmire we find ourselves.
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #230
      
        
        Why did Zypher Teachout lose by 10%.  Why did Russ Feingold lose?  If Bernie was so
        still_one
        Nov 2016
        #339
      
        
        I can't speak to other candidates' election losses as it pertains to Bernie, but I AGREE, those supporters who refused to vote for Hillary definitely have only THEMSELVES to blame...
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #366
      
        
        For WHITE working class liberals. All others pretty much are "identity politics" types
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #246
      
        
        I seem to remember Hillary getting the votes of POC in way bigger numbers than Bernie.
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #324
      
        
        From the time HRC was a college freshman, she has worked for the rights of women & children
        Hekate
        Nov 2016
        #144
      
        
        Votes are still being counted, and SHE is up by 1.5 million and heading for 2 million over Trump
        Hekate
        Nov 2016
        #201
      
        
        And so the right will beat up on any candidate...look at how they treated Obama
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #298
      
        
        And that pisses off men. They get to decide which women deserve a share and which are left high
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #284
      
        
        Well, now apparently is the time for 'pragmatism' for one's political survival...(nt)
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #374
      
        
        The vast majority of women who voted, voted for Hillary. 54% They just weren't all White. (nt)
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #113
      
        
        There were so many lies, we need a supercomputer just to keep track of them all. nt
        BootinUp
        Nov 2016
        #182
      
        
        Bernie will be President for people of all races, religions, and genders... we will finally come together and be a stronger nation for it.
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #316
      
        
        Well, he's certainly not indicating that by his actions now, and in the past. (nt)
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #321
      
        
        Not sure what you're referring to... Bernie is the great uniter...indeed, the ONLY one who can heal our party.
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #336
      
        
        Certainly not a uniter of people who aren't white and lefty like the pop. of VT (nt)
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #343
      
        
        You couldn't be more wrong about Bernie... the progressive issues he promoted benefits all races, all genders, all religions!!
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #346
      
        
        Uniter? Do you worship Benie our support him?  I there a church of Bernie that I have not
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #348
      
        
        Bernie is not and will never be president...you have to win a primary first...and at
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #347
      
        
        Bernie has the energy and stamina of someone half his age! Besides, like Hillary, Bernie is entitled to a second bite at the apple.
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #318
      
        
        Because he's not a Democrat, unless it serves his needs for establishment cred. (nt)
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #344
      
        
        Bernie's an Independent in name, but a Democrat at heart... the best of all possible worlds!
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #345
      
        
        Discord?... hardly! Had we given Bernie a fair shot, we wouldn't be in this position... and yet his party loyalty continues to shine through!
        InAbLuEsTaTe
        Nov 2016
        #350
      
        
        When Bernie lost the primary, did he say, "I need to work to change my message."?
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #370
      
        
        I am going to have to take two aspirin and lay down if I read much more of this shit.
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #259
      
        
        You mean like you get a bunch of really reactionary hosts like on the radio
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #301
      
        
        Yeah, because the last candidate we had told us to "vote for her because she's a woman"
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #10
      
        
        They should have made that part bold as well. Really highlights his sexist remarks even more. nt.
        NCTraveler
        Nov 2016
        #17
      
        
        This is why I never supported Bernie and believe he would have lost even without
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #118
      
        
        Right, the old, "it's not that she's a woman, it's that she wasn't the *right* woman"
        Maven
        Nov 2016
        #29
      
        
        Well I'm sure BOBers are glad they didn't make the mistake of electing the wrong woman this time.
        Maven
        Nov 2016
        #64
      
        
        " It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me.' No, thats not good enough.
        NCTraveler
        Nov 2016
        #21
      
        
        So was he being racist when he said just being Latino wasn't good enough? Was that his intent
        think
        Nov 2016
        #25
      
        
        "I have to know whether that Latina is going to stand up with the working class of this country"
        think
        Nov 2016
        #37
      
        
        Where he ended is with commentary about the election amd division in the party.
        boston bean
        Nov 2016
        #41
      
        
        I think that it's rather insulting to state that's  only/main reason people would vote for her. (nt)
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #58
      
        
        "Beyond identity politics" is like electing Obama and calling the US "post racial"...,
        Hekate
        Nov 2016
        #24
      
        
        And his solution was to basically try and avoid those issues. Works in VT, not nationally.
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #375
      
        
        I have advocated on this board as to the reasons we should respect and appreciate him.
        NCTraveler
        Nov 2016
        #13
      
        
        lovely, we can all spend a contentious next 4 years saying "fuck you" to each other.
        JCanete
        Nov 2016
        #420
      
        
        I don't deify Sanders. I respect him and admire him. I don't think he personally is the
        JCanete
        Nov 2016
        #422
      
        
        He's been saying this for YEARS - that the concerns of white men were not being heard.....
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #15
      
        
        Right, because there's no women in the white working class who need reproductive care
        Hekate
        Nov 2016
        #20
      
        
        Hillary took 54% of the working class vote  50,000. But it wasn't "White working class"
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #23
      
        
        Your post made t sound like a solved issue. Who is pushing to weaken unions?
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #224
      
        
        My post just said that the social justice and economic justice causes aren't in conflict.
        Ken Burch
        Nov 2016
        #225
      
        
        I wish Sanders saw it that way.  It's been obvious he was afraid to alienate the WWC voter....
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #288
      
        
        He's in the news Ken. Stop trying to suppress discussion of current events....
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #292
      
        
        Sanders is talking about leaving people behind.... and so he'll get a reaction here.
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #294
      
        
        I can, and that poster has no idea how issues women and POC have to do with economics that were NOT
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #306
      
        
        Listen these white working class males are republicans and have been because of social
        boston bean
        Nov 2016
        #55
      
        
        Exactly. And Trump did that. He said Hillary didn't have a "Presidential look."
        pnwmom
        Nov 2016
        #121
      
        
        The concerns of white men are NOT what lost this election either, unemployement is at 4.9%
        uponit7771
        Nov 2016
        #110
      
        
        Poor widdle white dude babies.  Women and POC just have to put them front and center.
        duffyduff
        Nov 2016
        #267
      
        
        No one has given me a good explanation why Russ Feingold and Zypher Teachout lost
        still_one
        Nov 2016
        #38
      
        
        And Bernie paved the way with his "I serve the people, and she only serves corporate masters"
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #152
      
        
        Thanks Ehrnst- and I'll remind everyone how the worst of it was started by those trolls at JPR - but
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #187
      
        
        I said he "in part" caused Hillary to not get the electoral college. (She won the vote.)  nt
        ehrnst
        Nov 2016
        #237
      
        
        He started flipping off the norms by hiding his taxes, not conceding graciously but trying to hold
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #387
      
        
        Well, enjoy president Trump  all  of you who simply felt she was unaceptable.
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #303
      
        
        I voted for Hillary. And campaigned for her.  And lost a couple of friends over her
        hueymahl
        Nov 2016
        #334
      
        
        I see you keep spamming this every time someone mentions that Bernie is cashing in
        R B Garr
        Nov 2016
        #247
      
        
        Same to you.  You apparently want people to understand that if Bernie has a book
        R B Garr
        Nov 2016
        #280
      
        
        Nope Jane admitted that the book advance went towards their 600K house after it was discovered that
        seaglass
        Nov 2016
        #307
      
        
        I don't care, Steve.  June 2014!  Please post something recent and positive about any democrat
        emulatorloo
        Nov 2016
        #358
      
        
        This election was about the triumph of emotion -- fear, hate, hope, and vengeance --
        pnwmom
        Nov 2016
        #69
      
        
        It wasn't Trump, it was nonstop media fawning over him.  Trump has no charisma.
        duffyduff
        Nov 2016
        #189
      
        
        Can't miss an opportunity to take a swipe at Hillary now that she's down, eh Bernie?
        Maven
        Nov 2016
        #63
      
        
        So, Trump won because he's going to stand up against Wall Street, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance?
        Yavin4
        Nov 2016
        #70
      
        
        1, yeap... don't really understand his logic here ... a billionaire asshole who bribes people isn't 
        uponit7771
        Nov 2016
        #114
      
        
        No.  It's the idea that her gender would automatically make her transformative in office.
        Ken Burch
        Nov 2016
        #81
      
        
        her female identity in the presidency would have INDEED been transformative
        Fast Walker 52
        Nov 2016
        #86
      
        
        you packed a lot of ideas into your post, I was only responding to you saying
        Fast Walker 52
        Nov 2016
        #97
      
        
        She was looking like she would...and virtually every Bernie supporter was a Warren supporter first.
        Ken Burch
        Nov 2016
        #96
      
        
        My point is, if the Bernie supporters were potential Warren supporters first...
        Ken Burch
        Nov 2016
        #140
      
        
        Certainly a Warren candidacy was a certain group's fantasy, and they insisted she was a liar...
        Hekate
        Nov 2016
        #204
      
        
        Many Bernie supporters attacked Warren in some ugly fucked up ways when she didn't endorse Sanders
        JI7
        Nov 2016
        #210
      
        
        Yes, shockingly I think Hillary is just a woman. As I think Bernie is just a man
        LiberalLovinLug
        Nov 2016
        #103
      
        
        A better candidate that couldn't beat hillary. Also got millions less votes than her.
        boston bean
        Nov 2016
        #227
      
        
        She did stand up for the working class. Who are the people feeling she didn't and why?
        boston bean
        Nov 2016
        #228
      
        
        Right...because Hillary's economic ideas were so anti-working class and all.
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #264
      
        
        Bullshit...you elected a president who's policy is the opposite of progressive...but
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #130
      
        
        You are preaching to deaf ears, my friend, but you are precisely and quite simply right.
        JudyM
        Nov 2016
        #207
      
        
        Eichenwald is an investigative reporter.  Your blogger is an opinion writer.
        emulatorloo
        Nov 2016
        #407
      
        
        Bernie is not going anywhere. Bernie and his philosophical successors are the future of the party,
        jack_krass
        Nov 2016
        #326
      
        
        Some of them think everyone to the left of John Podesta should be kicked out of the party.
        Ken Burch
        Nov 2016
        #90
      
        
        FYI maybe you should relay that to Bernie Fucking Sanders. As I recall, he LOST.
        Maru Kitteh
        Nov 2016
        #206
      
        
        Again, how is giving an opinion, after doing everything he can to help us win,
        Tiggeroshii
        Nov 2016
        #217
      
        
        I am with you. My college age daughter (who voted for Hillary as she is not stupid)
        Demsrule86
        Nov 2016
        #311
      
        
        Fuck him.  He used the Dems, Hillary and the convention itself and bashed them all
        bettyellen
        Nov 2016
        #146
      
        
        Quite well, considering Hillary is on track to win by 2 million votes. She won't get the WH...
        Hekate
        Nov 2016
        #205
      
        
        But he would have been elected, don't you know, because he appealed to the same white dudes
        duffyduff
        Nov 2016
        #212
      
        
        You are promoting a false meme - that the only people who supported her was because she's a woman.
        Lil Missy
        Nov 2016
        #281
      
        
        examples please...your feeling that he's sexist because he ran against your candidate who
        JCanete
        Nov 2016
        #341
      
        
        If my claim that Hillary never said that is wrong, feel free to point out where and when she did
        DFW
        Nov 2016
        #418
      
        
        I don't think it gets any more identity based than calling oneself a Berniecrat.
        lapucelle
        Nov 2016
        #340
      
        
        Stick with what works! Trump wants you to dictate the terms of our next campaign too.
        lumberjack_jeff
        Nov 2016
        #413