2016 Postmortem

Madam45for2923

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5. Geesh & F*ck!

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So is our message really that all Trump voters are racist and that's why we lost? [View all] realmirage Nov 2016 OP

Our most pressing message is RUSSIA Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #1

Yup, I have a feeling that between Russia and the FBI, a coup has taken place. shraby Nov 2016 #4

Yup, I have a feeling that between Russia and the FBI, a coup has taken place. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #10

I wish I didn't agree....but I do... pangaia Nov 2016 #63

Yup, count me in. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #110

In theory, but Cosmocat Nov 2016 #66

Russia is the scapegoat? How pathetic. jfern Nov 2016 #156

? Russia hacked the DNC and Hill's emails, so says 17 intel and security agencies wordpix Nov 2016 #158

Hillary caused Hillary to lose, not Russia. jfern Nov 2016 #159

No blue cat Nov 2016 #2

Geesh & F*ck! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #5

I live in Alabama. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #69

I would say the two main things that lost the election was the two doc03 Nov 2016 #3

Yep hueymahl Nov 2016 #90

I agree they were big factors. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #145

Well they did vote for someone who spouted some divisive shit all year didn't they? JHan Nov 2016 #6

Hillary's message to them was globalism, which is what they hate realmirage Nov 2016 #11

Between her and Sanders and Trump she was the only one who intuitively knew the challenges ahead.. JHan Nov 2016 #18

"Retraining" for nonexistent jobs likely to be globalized or flooded into wage crashing/criteria TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #154

Hold on.. JHan Nov 2016 #155

No, the current message SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #7

So basically what the republicans were planning to do realmirage Nov 2016 #12

Hello Republican super majority. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #15

lolz realmirage Nov 2016 #107

Which better change... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #64

Political Russian roulette, but you may be right. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #149

I think it has to be a three-pronged approach SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #150

No... SidDithers Nov 2016 #8

Agree 100% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #9

In reality, people care about their economic survival before realmirage Nov 2016 #14

Not all people. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #84

You must be well off to have such a luxury realmirage Nov 2016 #108

No, I am not well off. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #137

Those people didn't care enough about their economic survival to listen long enough to find out Squinch Nov 2016 #87

So tell me what the Democrats' plan was to help people in the rust belt? realmirage Nov 2016 #109

You can't look at Hillary's site either? Are your fingers broken? For people who are Squinch Nov 2016 #134

A 15.00 an hour minimum wage .... dawg Nov 2016 #138

Completely wrong. Most of it is not concious choice. Your comment is what's wrong with Democrats KittyWampus Nov 2016 #168

Racist AND misogynistic. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #13

Not That Simple PoorMonger Nov 2016 #16

They used to have thriving communities realmirage Nov 2016 #17

Couldn't agree more n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #19

Trump wasn't listening to them. He was pandering to them. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #25

Of course he listened realmirage Nov 2016 #27

There are a multitude of reasons why he won. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #28

The rust belt flipped red realmirage Nov 2016 #30

And what jobs plan ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #37

He buys his steel and other things from China because realmirage Nov 2016 #49

No.. no ... no....he can buy steel in the US and not for twice its price. He buys steel in uponit7771 Nov 2016 #116

It is a little difficult when we are held to an entirely different standard. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #81

Trump lied to them. When NAFTA and TPP are gone, their lives are not going to get any Squinch Nov 2016 #89

No ... They're not all racist... They do support a racist with their votes and that's bad enough uponit7771 Nov 2016 #20

They voted for economic survival realmirage Nov 2016 #23

Plenty are racist pieces of shit...don't kid yourself. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #33

Racists have always existed, but that's not why they flipped red realmirage Nov 2016 #36

With a 4.9% he rate and even lower in the lost HRC projected states? The jobless uponit7771 Nov 2016 #40

The jobless rate is misinterpreted realmirage Nov 2016 #51

This is false on its face ... Waco link inside... Its a rwtp.. I wish we wouldn't repeat it uponit7771 Nov 2016 #56

Have you been to Michigan lately? realmirage Nov 2016 #60

Michigan's UE rate is 5.4% and the same can be said about towns in CA uponit7771 Nov 2016 #65

"As if it's worse now." Exactly. This is nuts. Squinch Nov 2016 #92

take a look realmirage Nov 2016 #99

article doesn't address the question about jobs in those areas then and now... if they're ... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #112

So we are in the minority in realmirage Nov 2016 #113

We're in the minority in the house because of gerrymandering, that's a known knowm... we're uponit7771 Nov 2016 #114

exit polls? realmirage Nov 2016 #117

No but exit polls and 95% of the generational polling science being wrong something fucked uponit7771 Nov 2016 #120

Please tell... HDSam Nov 2016 #123

A rising LFPR, that's how I'm hedging the "jobs less recovery" MSM meme... Labor Force uponit7771 Nov 2016 #125

I've been to Michigan gollygee Nov 2016 #78

This is worth considering realmirage Nov 2016 #100

Thank you for this, this is my theory also... that the rural towns are doing better economically uponit7771 Nov 2016 #124

Ugh. This bullshit again. Squinch Nov 2016 #93

you mean this bullshit? realmirage Nov 2016 #101

No, the bullshit you talked about in the above post of your gish gallop. But this is bullshit too. Squinch Nov 2016 #133

Yes, people voted for donald fucking trump Cosmocat Nov 2016 #67

The Democratic Party's message just failed, maybe you should be asking why realmirage Nov 2016 #103

Obviously they didn't because they voted for the candidate who has no prospect of improving Squinch Nov 2016 #91

They voted for an economic delusion using racist language. Coventina Nov 2016 #102

Riiight... realmirage Nov 2016 #104

Donald Trump is a naked racist endorsed by the KKK. Coventina Nov 2016 #105

No, people vote their interests realmirage Nov 2016 #106

"bathrooms" being their interest then the DNC isn't going to reach them at all... they're ecomically uponit7771 Nov 2016 #127

Riiiiiight. Sunshine and lollipops being sold in the form of calling others rapists, murderers, Coventina Nov 2016 #129

I'd like to see this, if their lives are that much worse now than BEFORE Obama then you have a point uponit7771 Nov 2016 #118

What? They've been blue for a long time.. And you say just consider them lost forever? realmirage Nov 2016 #119

The flip counties have NOT been blue for a long time unless you're counting Obama as "long time" uponit7771 Nov 2016 #122

They Voted For RobinA Nov 2016 #163

Perhaps not. BlueStater Nov 2016 #21

Also melman Nov 2016 #22

That's the path to oblivion for the Party. realmirage Nov 2016 #24

I know melman Nov 2016 #29

Not all Trump voters are racists. RandySF Nov 2016 #26

I have to say that I disagree. If they are willing to give his racism a pass because of some other Squinch Nov 2016 #94

No, they're stupid too. MadamPresident Nov 2016 #31

No, they're stupid too. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #39

In my opinion it may not be wise to call union voters who deserted ... spin Nov 2016 #75

precisely realmirage Nov 2016 #111

I agree. OhioBlue Nov 2016 #121

As a union worker I can attest to the stupidity. MadamPresident Nov 2016 #136

Welcome to DU by the way. ... spin Nov 2016 #151

Couldn't Agree More RobinA Nov 2016 #164

Welcome, welcome, and fabulous post. Squinch Nov 2016 #95

I would say most Trump supporters are racist Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #32

I know people who definitely could be called racist. ... spin Nov 2016 #77

yes! Top DEMS in Ohio have campaigned against trade deals for years OhioBlue Nov 2016 #126

I grew up in Ohio but joined the Air Force back in the 1960s. ... spin Nov 2016 #130

It's a reason, but not important Bradical79 Nov 2016 #34

It is incredibly easy to get people to turn on each other. alarimer Nov 2016 #80

From what I've seen no duncang Nov 2016 #35

but we shouldnt treat getting duped by racists as indelible moral stain Bucky Nov 2016 #44

Trump told liquid diamond Nov 2016 #38

You mean we shouldn't try to address unemployment in the rust belt? realmirage Nov 2016 #41

People who think all Trump voters are racists are not thinking clearly Bucky Nov 2016 #43

It's a waste of time. liquid diamond Nov 2016 #45

So losing again is your strategy? realmirage Nov 2016 #48

That's what you got from that post? Sounds like a shit reading. Squinch Nov 2016 #96

No, that would be a dumb, hopeless message Bucky Nov 2016 #42

This is the message of most of the "elites" on this site. I think the Democratic party jack_krass Nov 2016 #46

I hate to admit it but the elitist label realmirage Nov 2016 #52

Is that your takeaway from this RIGGED election? Hekate Nov 2016 #47

You didn't read the whole op did you... realmirage Nov 2016 #53

binary thinking is stinking thinking, and you are letting LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #50

So your strategy realmirage Nov 2016 #55

again, the binary, either this or that, is YOUR fallacy, not mine. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #58

Yep- every person positing this let's cater to the rust belt is ignoring a hell of a lot.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #76

I know, right? From bathrooms to bimbos...it never ends. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #79

Again, that's what you got from that post? You keep putting words in people's mouths that are not Squinch Nov 2016 #97

Thank you. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #72

I hope not Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #54

Well said. We have to learn from this. realmirage Nov 2016 #57

most of them are racist and all give racism a pass JI7 Nov 2016 #59

'Our' message seems to be all over the map, elleng Nov 2016 #61

Clinton lost because Clinton forgot ... earthside Nov 2016 #62

And yet.. JHan Nov 2016 #74

It's pretty elemental politics. earthside Nov 2016 #139

You can't convince me that her message didn't pierce through to people.. JHan Nov 2016 #140

She lost where it mattered. earthside Nov 2016 #143

I'll share this post again.. JHan Nov 2016 #144

Right to the nub of the matter. earthside Nov 2016 #147

We can also add.. JHan Nov 2016 #148

People are trying to work up a narrative around the narrowest of victories for Trump in the midwest. JHan Nov 2016 #141

I don't know about "ours" but mine? yeah-sexist and racist ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #68

Yes treestar Nov 2016 #70

Hyperbolic mischaracterization. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #71

Who is this "our" you speak of? Lil Missy Nov 2016 #73

You nailed it. It is a strawman argument. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #86

Putting words in the mouths of others that others never said seems to be a talent with this one. Squinch Nov 2016 #98

The electoral college does not take away their vote or diminish them. musicblind Nov 2016 #82

In my book anyone who votes for a racist, is a racist. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #83

All Trump voters are either racist, misogynist or both. They deserve the KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #85

Thank you for your post hueymahl Nov 2016 #88

The type of ignorance that causes a person Lint Head Nov 2016 #115

They are all willing to vote for a man who blatantly pushed racist and sexist pnwmom Nov 2016 #128

No, not all were... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #131

I do feel for those in the rust belt. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2016 #132

Electing Chuck Shumer as our new party Leader is not a good sign quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #135

"Economic survival" is why they voted for Obama who saved their bacon. ucrdem Nov 2016 #142

Agree - no matter how people feel, this approach is self-defeating. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #146

I'm glad that there are people out there that can still see past their emotions realmirage Nov 2016 #152

Don't Disagree RobinA Nov 2016 #165

"Social issues"? Lizz612 Nov 2016 #153

no - message is "election integrity" and "voter solutions" wordpix Nov 2016 #157

Except For The Fact RobinA Nov 2016 #160

At the bare minimum, they saw all the racist shit, and decided they could tolerate it. backscatter712 Nov 2016 #161

1000, "and decided they could tolerate it." uponit7771 Nov 2016 #162

Include the points raised in this article in any proposed solution BSdetect Nov 2016 #166

If that is what was learned by the 2016 election, the Democratic party has underestimated the scope PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #167