2016 Postmortem

katsy

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78. After the bush presidency

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:57 AM

Nov 2016

I don't think the gop had much of a chance getting the WH considering the economic turmoil we were facing.

Also, mitt had pretty much killed his chances by making the middle class "the other" with his 47% video. PBO also wasn't facing the white hot hatred @ that time bcuz mitt really wasn't stoking racist & bigoted emotions like trump has.

trump managed to motivate racists & bigots & all the proof one needs is available by looking @ the punks attending his rally. Just watch for confederate flags, the full on engagement of racist nationalist groups. These people were pumped & I suspect these groups haven't had reason to even vote in a national election before.

The bigotry & racism has been overwhelming this election. Combined with trump's promise of economic protectionism and voter suppression may have flipped enuf electoral votes to trump.

It was a perfect hate fueled storm.

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Toni Morrison: Fear of losing white privilege led to Trump's election. [View all] pnwmom Nov 2016 OP

White MALE privelege apcalc Nov 2016 #1

White women have more privilege than black women -- and the majority of white women pnwmom Nov 2016 #2

Certainly no more than white men have over black men whathehell Nov 2016 #14

White women do NOT have "privilege"--I hate to remind you of it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #37

They do compared to black women. They make more money than black women pnwmom Nov 2016 #44

Both of those issues are generally under the control of white men.. whathehell Nov 2016 #69

So? White women still benefit from white privilege. They don't benefit pnwmom Nov 2016 #72

No more than black women benefit from black MALE privilege.. whathehell Nov 2016 #75

Black male privilege is less than white male privilege. pnwmom Nov 2016 #80

Yes, we all know that.. whathehell Nov 2016 #81

That's what you're getting wrong. Acknowledging white privilege pnwmom Nov 2016 #82

Who on this site is not acknowledging it? whathehell Nov 2016 #83

Have to disagree. moriah Nov 2016 #45

I thought only half did TrekLuver Nov 2016 #46

53% of white women voted for the treestar Nov 2016 #73

Actually, Trump got a lot of votes from women. Couldn't have won without them. Nitram Nov 2016 #19

I'm sorry, but whathehell Nov 2016 #25

I'm afraid only racists and bigots, no matter how uncoscious those motivations may be, would vote Nitram Nov 2016 #29

How would you explain whathehell Nov 2016 #31

Many racists tell themselves they are not racist. What better way to "prove" to themselves and Nitram Nov 2016 #56

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stretch.. whathehell Nov 2016 #57

The fear of terrorism itself was employed in the service of racism and xenophobia. Nitram Nov 2016 #59

To an extent, but that whathehell Nov 2016 #60

To deny refugee status to carefully vetted Syrians and other Moslems because they might be... Nitram Nov 2016 #66

While racism is clearly the one element in this election that's captured whathehell Nov 2016 #68

I'm not suggesting the it is simple, or that race is the only factor. Nitram Nov 2016 #71

I believe all of us carry some "unconscious" racism, but I disagree whathehell Nov 2016 #79

After the bush presidency katsy Nov 2016 #78

Go ahead and believe sexism doesn't exist. Just who was HRC? A woman. duffyduff Nov 2016 #38

Trump got more votes from blacks & Hispanics than Romney whathehell Nov 2016 #76

Heterosexual White Male Privilage... TrishaJ Nov 2016 #22

Sorry, but it's WHITE PRIVILEGE. Please don't deflect from what Morrison is saying. chimpymustgo Nov 2016 #49

Sorry, but not all of us believe that whathehell Nov 2016 #53

"The threat is frightening." BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #3

I don't accept this premise. It was the economy predominantly, and depressed Dem turnout. OnDoutside Nov 2016 #4

Its easier for me to accept when the UE rate in WI or MI is in the 4s and voter suppression uponit7771 Nov 2016 #5

It's perception. We've had the same problem here in Ireland, where the last government dragged the OnDoutside Nov 2016 #7

"People feel angry but don't know what they are angry at." ... hmmmm, this sounds like uponit7771 Nov 2016 #8

Yes and the fringes of the political spectrum are taking advantage. If there is a lesson, it is that OnDoutside Nov 2016 #10

"full metal jacket" ... AMEN too that uponit7771 Nov 2016 #11

the depressed dem turnout is proving to be untrue La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #20

The economy was only a smokescreen for many people who are not doing very badly at all. Nitram Nov 2016 #30

Not in the Rust Belt. This is the exact same problem as here in Ireland in last February's General OnDoutside Nov 2016 #36

So they bought Trump's promise to open all the factories again? Nitram Nov 2016 #58

Not necessarily. Many might have jobs again, but income isn't what it was 10/15 years ago. They OnDoutside Nov 2016 #64

Exactly. Magical thinking is what passes for political thought in some quarters. Nitram Nov 2016 #67

Absolutely true. It can't be a coincidence though that there is such a public OnDoutside Nov 2016 #70

That's only your opinion... whathehell Nov 2016 #77

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #6

Rapidly diversifying, crime on the rise again, "law and order", terrorism, loss of jobs, jmg257 Nov 2016 #9

I'd guess that fear of 'crime on the rise again, terrorism and loss of jobs' are not whathehell Nov 2016 #15

Yep. Id agree with that. jmg257 Nov 2016 #16

But I thought it was about WALL STREET! And TRADE! And the MINIMUM WAGE! (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #12

And the threat is real. White only dominance of the world is rapidly coming to an end. Yavin4 Nov 2016 #13

Many of the same people who voted for Trump, voted for Obama in 2012 whathehell Nov 2016 #17

Where is your evidence for that? She's getting very close to the same number of votes pnwmom Nov 2016 #21

Here you go.. whathehell Nov 2016 #24

That looks anecdotal to me. But your nytimes link contains this interesting point: pnwmom Nov 2016 #32

That is it. People still haven't grown up. Women have headed governments for CENTURIES, duffyduff Nov 2016 #39

No...You need to open the links and read them.. whathehell Nov 2016 #54

Is there proof of that? treestar Nov 2016 #74

Toni Morrison is right. The backlash has been quite a while coming but Trump... Nitram Nov 2016 #18

The riots in Ferguson, Oakland, etc. contributed to the fear as well. jalan48 Nov 2016 #23

Inagree cilla4progress Nov 2016 #26

Amen to that. When folks have nothing, they cling to the illusion of "something" McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #27

. . . treestar Nov 2016 #34

A good number of white men I have talked with backed Trump as they believed ... spin Nov 2016 #28

Your Hillary-trashing is not appreciated and has little basis in fact. duffyduff Nov 2016 #40

You're probably the only person in American that doesn't think Obama is charismatic. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #41

Agreed..I heard him speak in a small room before he ran for president.. whathehell Nov 2016 #62

I agree, white male privilege MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #33

K&R! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2016 #35

So why did Trump get MORE of the Latino vote than Romney? (Who actually has family ties to Mexico) Coventina Nov 2016 #42

Vote suppression, for one thing. The voting rights act was dismantled in 2013, pnwmom Nov 2016 #48

He also got twice as many black votes than Romney. nt 7962 Nov 2016 #85

I'm sure more talk of white privilege is going to help the party win elections in the future. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #43

Oh, yeah... more of that winning strategy, please! SMC22307 Nov 2016 #50

If this is what you think, 2020 isn't going to be any better... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #47

Progress delayed Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #51

K & R nt TeamPooka Nov 2016 #52

Rehashed outrage-bait version 764847362. I wish the blogsphere was as tired of this type of trash jack_krass Nov 2016 #55

Romney won a higher percentage of white voters than Trump oberliner Nov 2016 #61

Stop repeating facts. Ruins the desired race-based narrative 7962 Nov 2016 #86

I get a sense TRUMP came off as the change candidate while Hillary seemed quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #63

I agree with everything Bernie has said, and I also agree with this. They aren't mutually exclusive. JCanete Nov 2016 #65

That for sure. nt oasis Nov 2016 #84

Inherent in the "working class whites" narrative is the notion that... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #87