2016 Postmortem

Red Oak

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44. And what do you propose here?

Sat Nov 26, 2016, 12:02 PM

Nov 2016

"making it clearer that progressive politics is key to improving economic conditions"

If all those jobs are gone "bye-bye"

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Democrats Dont Have an Easy Answer for the Rust Belt [View all] mia Nov 2016 OP

To me, this is an excellent option! RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1

Which is exactly... JHan Nov 2016 #2

Hillary talked about.. JHan Nov 2016 #3

I don't remember jobs being a core message of her campaign Red Oak Nov 2016 #8

I remember several of her policy speeches , and she did frequently talk about app. programs.. JHan Nov 2016 #12

She had a bunch of policy speeches. That was part of the problem. Red Oak Nov 2016 #16

Message and policy matters... JHan Nov 2016 #23

Can you suggest a time when politics was different? Red Oak Nov 2016 #24

I get what you're saying, JHan Nov 2016 #31

I understand your pain Red Oak Nov 2016 #35

It frustrates me too. lovemydog Nov 2016 #87

The Democrats were not able to talk about the issues. It was all about what tRump said. madinmaryland Nov 2016 #4

THANK you! It's infuriating that most people don't remember how she was sidelined from BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #42

I remember her ads were not about issues but about what trump said. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #84

Yes. Her ads were the result of the sad reporting by MM propping up Trump. BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #89

she could've talked about issues in her ads but chose not to. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #83

I have an easy solution... Barack_America Nov 2016 #5

Thought we just got through trying this Red Oak Nov 2016 #7

You don't write off ANYONE. EVER! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #50

It's about priorities and resources. Barack_America Nov 2016 #57

Surely you jest. democrank Nov 2016 #58

I do not jest. Barack_America Nov 2016 #59

They voted for Obama because he promised change and didn't deliver. pipoman Nov 2016 #60

One of the Democratic Partys biggest mistake is believing democrank Nov 2016 #66

Explain to me, then, how you get both. Barack_America Nov 2016 #67

I sincerely appreciate your open-mindedness, B_A. democrank Nov 2016 #68

I agree with expanding apprenticships Best_man23 Nov 2016 #6

It's actually really simple...rural working class should be Democrats are sick of "nanny state" NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #9

Well said. n/t mia Nov 2016 #10

Who has been telling them how to live and what to say? JHan Nov 2016 #13

I've heard complaints about bunch of EPA regs championed by democrats Amishman Nov 2016 #14

People in urban areas view things differently than rural people NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #46

I sympathize with your overall point, but kids will eat if they get hungry enough. Kentonio Nov 2016 #85

You are spot on. Red Oak Nov 2016 #17

THIS x1000... Yurovsky Nov 2016 #33

It's just too bad that there wasn't more reporting about Trump ripping off contractors NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #47

This is the problem though. Kentonio Nov 2016 #86

YUP! Talk JOBS and what CAN be done! SHOW UP and LISTEN to them! They want to be HEARD! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #52

I don't recall "transgender bathrooms" being discussed. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #11

Hillary didn't have to win over Trump voters oberliner Nov 2016 #19

Turnout was pretty typical. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #20

I agree with your points oberliner Nov 2016 #21

And I agree that the Dems have room for improvement in terms of GOTV and other things. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #22

I'm not sure that's the case FBaggins Nov 2016 #25

I guess I just mean that 55-60% turnout is pretty typical. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #26

You can't fit real solutions on a bumper sticker... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #15

New Deal Era Solutions Fit on a Notecard jake335544 Nov 2016 #54

The easy answer is to flip Texas and Arizona oberliner Nov 2016 #18

We need to start by telling these voters the truth. LonePirate Nov 2016 #27

They don't want to hear the truth. LisaL Nov 2016 #28

They don't want to hear the truth. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #40

Exactly bravenak Nov 2016 #30

You are wrong. Red Oak Nov 2016 #38

Several problems exist there. LonePirate Nov 2016 #39

You are still wrong, and an uninformed defeatist. Buck up and lets do something. Red Oak Nov 2016 #43

Ahhh, now it makes sense why you were complaining about environmental protections.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #45

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #49

There is no easy answr bravenak Nov 2016 #29

Yep, millions live in an alternate reality. From which there's no return. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #32

All that is true bravenak Nov 2016 #36

And what do you propose here? Red Oak Nov 2016 #44

New industries, less wage disparity and a universal basic income. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #48

This Yavin4 Nov 2016 #34

The more you tell people they have no hope, the more you volunteer to LOSE!!!!!! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #51

The US is manufacturing as much as ever before. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #55

Stop LYING TO PEOPLE bravenak Nov 2016 #61

Early on in the campaign (during the primary, perhaps), a Trump supporter said the following: Garrett78 Nov 2016 #62

I agree completely bravenak Nov 2016 #63

Most Trump voters will continue supporting him no matter what. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #64

I believe that too bravenak Nov 2016 #65

I agree with it too and with you as well. But I lovemydog Nov 2016 #88

help each other in great times of need demtenjeep Nov 2016 #37

That poor woman ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #41

We can't get by on the same message. We'll be obliterated. jake335544 Nov 2016 #53

Easy equals Lies Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #56

I don't know Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #69

The US is manufacturing as much as ever before. But automation means fewer people are needed. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #70

This is why Democrats lose...that is untrue... millions of jobs Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #71

Millions of jobs have gone overseas, but it's also true that the US is manufacturing as much as ever Garrett78 Nov 2016 #72

That is an excuse...these jobs are being done elsewhere...like in Mexico and Korea...China. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #73

Yes, and the US could get those jobs back if... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #75

Also, somethings made oveseas are counted as being manufactured in America. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #74

The Republicans sure as hell have no answer . apcalc Nov 2016 #76

You are right, they don't have an answer, but they have control, and a lot of people are going to still_one Nov 2016 #78

The choices were pretty f**ken clear. Those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for still_one Nov 2016 #77

"Trump only won NY because of NYC" HockeyMom Nov 2016 #79

The irony is the "rust belt" is mostly under GOP governors Blue_Tires Nov 2016 #80

And life there would be worse if not for the Obama Administration. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #82

Policy around restrooms is not simply a "cultural issue." David__77 Nov 2016 #81

Unions, good jobs, good wages, job retraining ... frazzled Nov 2016 #90