2016 Postmortem

LisaM

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101. The last speech I heard in a union hall was Tom Harkin in 1992

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:28 PM

Nov 2016

It was a great speech. It got zero coverage on the news. Most of the union halls in the Belltown area of Seattle (where that was held) are gone now. Tom Harkin was a union-loving firebrand and he got no traction in 1992.

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Would this have been so horrible? [View all] Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 OP

the democratic primary is over nt msongs Nov 2016 #1

LOL!!! Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #2

Tell that to all of the posters Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #83

Let's begin vocab 101 then. "Liberal base," Spitfire? Hortensis Nov 2016 #89

And minority voters are the biggest part of that base. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #93

Not really, PnwMom. Half of all minorities are conservative Hortensis Nov 2016 #94

what you describe as liberal is actually a progressive. Exilednight Nov 2016 #96

"They," Exiled? I am a lifelong strong liberal and Hortensis Nov 2016 #97

There is so much wrong with your statement. Exilednight Nov 2016 #98

Wow, great post hueymahl Nov 2016 #99

Ancient Greece and Rome had no concept of equality or Hortensis Nov 2016 #107

Our Constitution had a form of hierarchy, too. Exilednight Nov 2016 #108

Yes, we did have conservative founders and, not Hortensis Nov 2016 #109

Again, you got so much wrong. Exilednight Nov 2016 #110

No. There's no reason someone can't develop a Hortensis Nov 2016 #111

These words have actual definitions. theyre not labels, they're words Exilednight Nov 2016 #112

One must win the primary to run in the general election. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #3

We leaned after Florida in 2000 it helps to have your campaign manager run the election. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #5

Ah.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #9

Play that for yourself.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #10

Nah.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #13

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #14

Keep that up BainsBane Nov 2016 #84

Remember, the "manipulation" started when Sanders' campaign hacked into Clinton's DNC database! George II Nov 2016 #86

You feel "vindicated" because Donald Trump won? George II Nov 2016 #85

So fucked up bravenak Nov 2016 #91

Simon & Garfunkle? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #4

That's why he couldn't get young people to support him. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #6

Not the majority multi-racial coalition. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #7

Yup! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #8

Facing why he lost causes them to meltdown. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #16

He lost because the attitude was the Party belongs to the Clintons.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #20

He lost because he is a terrible organizer and a one-note candidate. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #22

There are some here that would prefer Bernie over Trump.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #27

That doesn't even make sense. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #28

Sure it does.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #36

Of course. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #39

"diversity is tokenism" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #42

All of his quotes on the subject. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #45

So you think that means he's a racist? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #49

No, it means he is out of touch and used a losing strategy. I'm so sad this is so hard for you. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #52

We heard the "McGovern" argument back then too.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #58

Well, McGovern lost. I was only 2 years old at the time Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #60

So you know the "pattern" the media uses is bogus.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #66

the change is california is because of demographic changes. whites left the state JI7 Nov 2016 #69

CA demographics have changed the electoral population here. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #71

This just proves my point that the country is a lot more Liberal than some think.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #72

I thought you wanted to flip rural voters? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #76

I'm a classic Blue Collar Democrat.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #77

I am too. This one was great: Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #78

The rank and file preferred Bernie. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #79

Nope. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #80

This is purely anecdotal from me... JHan Nov 2016 #102

Same here. Very little skin in the game. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #103

No, the rank and file in the DNC is minorities and single white women and they did NOT prefer uponit7771 Nov 2016 #106

The last speech I heard in a union hall was Tom Harkin in 1992 LisaM Nov 2016 #101

When you are done with your little roll on the floor.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #26

Sheila Jackson Lee on your list? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #29

I told you a few off the top of my head. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #34

How about a visit to the Progressive Caucus? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #43

After your performance in this thread, no thanks. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #54

See? You feel you don't need us to win. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #56

Wow....I love your comment!!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #63

You wouldn't have to call yourself "Progressive" if you stopped thinking of "Liberal" as bad. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #67

Is this suppose to mean something? sheshe2 Nov 2016 #73

I've met a lot of people who run from the label. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #74

Oooookkkkkk sheshe2 Nov 2016 #75

I have several friends as well that felt that way. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #21

I voted for her..... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #25

To listen to Hillary supporters you'd think Bernie is as racist as Trump. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #11

Sad strawman is sad. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #12

You didn't notice that? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #15

That you didn't understand what I posted? That was glaringly obvious. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #17

Deflect much? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #18

What did I deflect? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #19

Did you ever even listen to his stump speech? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #23

He only had the one speech-I heard it several times. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #24

It's all a formula with you? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #31

Bernie told stories about people too. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #33

Now you know why Bernie crashed and burned. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #35

Uh huh, let's use the word "leftmost" as a slur. That'll attract the youth vote. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #38

Um, what? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #41

You call this an argument? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #44

No, it's really just like watching a little kid hitting himself. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #46

So you refuse to accept we would be better off... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #47

Are you fucking high? moda253 Nov 2016 #95

I noticed you posted a strawman. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #30

I saw it here as well.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #32

No, you saw AA posters offering Bernie advice on how to reach out to AA voters better emulatorloo Nov 2016 #37

Wrong. Example: Hillary supporters claimed pictures of him weren't him. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #40

So? It was based on an MSM story, Was quickly disproven and nobody said that meant he was a "racist" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #48

Claiming this wasn't him.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #53

Some of us remember. Some choose not to. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #57

hey, We are both Bernie people, and I just hate reliving the bad old days emulatorloo Nov 2016 #62

It's the autopsy.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #68

And maybe more beer. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #70

1000 sheshe2 Nov 2016 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #51

Does the term "Troll" ever occur to you? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #59

Back in the 70s the Democratic Party was very disorganized.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #61

Hilarious! I don't think it will be bad as that this time! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #65

It's bad... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #81

There is something called elections BainsBane Nov 2016 #82

Republicans and every third party shithead voter out there ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #87

Excuse me, but those Sanders supporters and self identified progressives get trump because still_one Nov 2016 #88

Plus a billion bravenak Nov 2016 #90

I Blame Them 100% otohara Nov 2016 #92

Hillary lost those states because she ran a terrible campaign hueymahl Nov 2016 #100

Bernie could never get enough swing voting moderates to win NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #104

The verse that always stuck with me was despairing: "Kathy I'm lost I said, tho I knew she was .... Hekate Nov 2016 #105