2016 Postmortem

kcr

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5. If we're going to have machine voting, it should be done correctly

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 07:04 PM

Dec 2016

And too many states handle it badly. Machine voting can involve a paper trail, and it should.

Your argument fails when you compare voting to cash registers and bank statements. For one thing, voting is a scheduled event. Banking is a daily event that happens year round. You simply can't compare the two when it comes to resources allocated. Counting votes, and bank security fraud are two completely different things.

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We have serious threats to election integrity that must be fixed before the next election. [View all] pnwmom Dec 2016 OP

Thanks triron Dec 2016 #1

I would like to see us go back to precinct voting with paper ballots... kentuck Dec 2016 #2

Let's go back to handwritten sales receipts, too... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #4

If we're going to have machine voting, it should be done correctly kcr Dec 2016 #5

Yes. there should be a paper trail, but to condemn all machines for the sins of a few is silly... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #8

The manufacturers of voting machines also make ATMs crazycatlady Jan 2017 #46

Still how do we know that the internally counted vote is triron Jan 2017 #47

If the machines are Internet enabled as has been reported here numerous times HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #49

No problem, if it would bring integrity to the voting process back uponit7771 Jan 2017 #14

My point is simply that it wouldn't. Andwhere did you get the idea that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #16

Of course, I'm not a "they've already decided" or anything close type voter uponit7771 Jan 2017 #17

So give us better verification methods. Sunriser13 Jan 2017 #18

What do you want? At this point a scanner reads your little black dots and adds them up... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #20

Electronically vote with a coded paper receipt for the recount that is also texted to you HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #25

And for those who don't have cell phones? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #27

Better verification cannot happen without electronic verification HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #29

OK SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #30

Don't need id to vote absentee HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #31

oh please, the presidency of the US is a little more important that cash register receipt; and ballo TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #37

Paper is too easy to hack HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #10

WTF??? is that you Pootie? PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED!! no machine to "run it through," OK? TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #12

Unless the count happens in front of the voter there is no assurance that their vote actually counts HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #21

3 person team counts votes; this is nothing new. there is no way that paper is *easier* to hack TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #34

It is infinitely easier to make a pencil mark on a piece of paper than it is to hack a computer HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #36

please explain how this will happen directly under the eyes of poll workers from TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #38

What happens when 1000 ballots are recorded, a recount is ordered by the Greens and there HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #50

you could say the exact same thing about machines, X1000. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #53

The problem is that Republicans think the election worked just fine. charlyvi Dec 2016 #3

exactly. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #7

They know somethings fucked up about this election and gish gallop all Benedict Donald's Putin uponit7771 Jan 2017 #15

Of course it did, since they won. Sunriser13 Jan 2017 #19

problems need to be fixed, but they won't be. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #6

Yes we have, and getting worse. elleng Dec 2016 #9

k and r Achilleaze Dec 2016 #11

THANK YOU !!! If they fucked us this time what's to stop the from fucking us again !?!?! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #13

Nothing MoonRiver Jan 2017 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24

And it'll just be worse since the Republicans now have total power in federal/state Governments. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #32

Yeap, they've already shown they'll break the law without Russian help uponit7771 Jan 2017 #33

Paper ok - machine only if system designed for security with adequate approriate audit and recount Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2017 #22

It should be, but likely little will happen, certainly not by the GOP who would sell RKP5637 Jan 2017 #26

I'm in favor of paper ballots SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #28

paper receipts are useless because they never see the light of day. votes must be hand-counted the f TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #35

Sorry, I completely disagree n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #40

so you don't think the local powers-that-be could prevent those paper receipts from being seen? seri TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #42

If there is a hand recount SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #43

I'm confused by your answer triron Jan 2017 #44

Not sure why SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #45

well, that's kind of the point. the local authorities determine whether there is a hand recount; ev TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #48

No, I don't think it's a problem SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #51

ok; you're fine with invisible votes and selective recounts; i'm not. glad we got that cleared up. TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #54

You are right. There is no integrity left in US election results. UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #39

yes only sure way. triron Jan 2017 #41

KnR Hekate Jan 2017 #52