2016 Postmortem

hollowdweller

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46. For sure Biden is more conservative except on foreign policy

Sat Jan 7, 2017, 12:28 PM

Jan 2017

But I'm not talking politics here. I'm talking the ability to be likeable and to deliver a message, even an attack that lands on an opponent.

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I think Biden could have won [View all] hollowdweller Jan 2017 OP

I agree. elleng Jan 2017 #1

He and a whole long list of folks who havent been the target of 3 decades of Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #26

Hell yes he would have won. Binders Keepers Jan 2017 #2

And would have made plenty of entertaining gaffes Binders Keepers Jan 2017 #3

No gaffe's in that interview. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #43

he is a white male so he would have been able to get away with things that Clinton could not JI7 Jan 2017 #4

I'm really not sure if going to the right of Clinton would have won. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #5

For sure Biden is more conservative except on foreign policy hollowdweller Jan 2017 #46

Agree with your overall thoughts here. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #49

If they helped him they didn't land. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #56

Do you have an example of an attack line not used that you think would have landed? NCTraveler Jan 2017 #67

Grow up. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #68

I don't get your reply. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #73

Recently joe biden told trump to grow up drray23 Jan 2017 #80

Kick for transparency. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2017 #75

Yep redstateblues Jan 2017 #6

4th time's the charm? WhiteTara Jan 2017 #7

Really.. I love Joe.. but all this talk about who would have won who Cha Jan 2017 #8

Agreed! And a bit counter productive as the players that "could have" won't be in 2020 NWCorona Jan 2017 #12

And it is MFM008 Jan 2017 #18

Its all specilation, and by now, it just keeps the lrimary fedteting, and serves no dionysus Jan 2017 #25

I started this not so much about speculation as to who could have won but hollowdweller Jan 2017 #44

I'm gonna still say he could have won but you've made the best point so far NWCorona Jan 2017 #11

In those cases he had not been V treestar Jan 2017 #34

So, 4th time's the charm. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #36

My point was it wouldn't be the 4th time treestar Jan 2017 #38

But it would still be his 4th effort. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #40

If he would have survived the primary MichMan Jan 2017 #9

Not sure the DNC would have conspired with Clinton against Biden though hollowdweller Jan 2017 #47

Still with that nonsense? Clinton's delegate lead was from the South. The DNC had nothing to do with stevenleser Jan 2017 #63

It's just like the hacking. Nobody knows what effect it had in the whole thing. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #70

No, it's not. Not at all. The DNC had zero effect on the primary. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #71

i'm sure Biden didn't run in deference to Hillary onetexan Jan 2017 #10

why is Jill's lack of ambition such a positive and notable trait? bettyellen Jan 2017 #15

Lack of ambition?? onetexan Jan 2017 #16

You're the one who noted she could have taught at major universities but scaled back her ambitions.. bettyellen Jan 2017 #17

Sheesh no need to have an inferiority complex onetexan Jan 2017 #33

She and FLOTUS DashOneBravo Jan 2017 #61

Really being good and sticking with the little guy is a good thing. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #48

Interesting point of view. I was truly puzzled by the post but I really do not know much bettyellen Jan 2017 #62

Joe Biden is like Bizarro world Hillary Clinton in that... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #13

I honestly think many BOBers didn't care about policies as much as hating HRC .... bettyellen Jan 2017 #14

I agree. They anyone but Hillary crowd treestar Jan 2017 #37

And loving old white men. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #39

Spot on! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #53

Well, you know I might resemble that statement. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #54

I agree Biden could have taken it - his personality alone is more "relatable" and "likable" bettyellen Jan 2017 #64

Much as I hate it, being a white man would have helped treestar Jan 2017 #35

So do you think that is a weakness with Ellison? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #69

Who is Ellison in this context? treestar Jan 2017 #74

Bingo! The double standard stinks. JHan Jan 2017 #77

Seems another possibility. Orsino Jan 2017 #19

He was my first choice by far since Obama won in 2012, but I quickly pivoted to Hillary Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #20

Biden had some major BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #24

I was 10 months old then, so do not remember this, obviously. I assume he overcame Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #28

You and other people your age might have heard more about that hearing had he run karynnj Jan 2017 #45

He has been an excellent VP BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #52

He needed up redeeming himself treestar Jan 2017 #41

Men WERE forgiven more easily. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #50

good point about Kerry treestar Jan 2017 #57

Many who couldn't forgive her (like the JPR'ers) had no problem with Edwards, Kerry, Biden. JTFrog Jan 2017 #60

I'd rather not believe that, but there is no other reasonable explanation for that behavior. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #65

Just as there is no BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #66

Ok, but he didn't cuz he didn't run. zappaman Jan 2017 #21

I think he could have easily beaten someone like Trump or Cruz mtnsnake Jan 2017 #22

Biden v Kasich is the one matchup out of all possibilties I would be afraid to predict. Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #29

Why do we keep seeing these BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #23

After a devastating loss, people just like to speculate with no harm intended. It's human nature. mtnsnake Jan 2017 #27

I agree. It's too bad he wasn't running but I think the choice had been made years ago. jalan48 Jan 2017 #30

Joe is one of the most likeable politicians in DC. ... spin Jan 2017 #31

Absolutely he would've won! nt Raine Jan 2017 #32

You never know the path not taken - and he would have had to beat Clinton in the primaries karynnj Jan 2017 #42

Right you are randr Jan 2017 #51

No Democrat was gonna beat Russia who was teaming with Drump, Comey, wiki et al. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #55

SO if we could only go back in time to 2015, and if we could then convince Biden to run, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #58

me too. ShaquantaBrown Jan 2017 #59

Biden's problem BlueStateLib Jan 2017 #72

I don't think he would have beat Hillary in the primary. Chemisse Jan 2017 #76

Hillary would have crushed Biden in a closed primary HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #78

It's over. Move on. Squinch Jan 2017 #79