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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Reticence created an enthuism gap [View all]Gothmog
(171,971 posts)29. Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks.  In the r
        Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks.  In the real world these are called facts and just like math these facts can not be ignored.Here is a good example Sanders really hurting Clinton. I am still mad at the number of times that trump used Sanders' claims against Clinton.   Sanders' baseless charges that the system was fixed and rigged were used by trump to great effect and hurt Clinton  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rigged-system-donald-trump_us_5855cb44e4b08debb7898607?section=us_politics
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
I think he was able to thread a certain toxic needle. But he did win, and were all going to pay the price.
John Weaver, aide to Ohio Gov. John Kasichs presidential campaign
The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
Sanders' bogus rigged process claim hurt a great deal.
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        agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
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        no, they were not nice, they were assholes . booing her during her convention speech
        JI7
        Jan 2017
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        it was more than a few. i'm sure they cheered when trump won. just look at that website
        JI7
        Jan 2017
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        that's my point. those types made up many "bernie supporters" although i said their
        JI7
        Jan 2017
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        wow...so that was rude. I didn't peddle a rumor. I wasn't referring to a rumor. I'm not even
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
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        This is politics. Every cabinet position that is filled is a consideration of politics. Each is
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #38
      
        
        Any version of that kind of talk is not substantiated by any credible information out there..
        JHan
        Jan 2017
        #39
      
        
        are you saying right now that people don't negotiate things in Washington? You are focusing solely
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #42
      
        
        I don't think you can accept that politics is a reality, and then say all that matters is
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #54
      
        
        Sorry, we remember that Obama had to work very hard to convince her to sign on as SOS
        emulatorloo
        Jan 2017
        #46
      
        
        Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks.  In the r
        Gothmog
        Jan 2017
        #29
      
        
        The system is rigged. It really really is Goth. That you are part of the Democratic Establishment
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #37
      
        
        You really believe that change just happens from inside without a push from the outside to make it
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
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        That article about Cory's vote shows that it wasn't a "battle of hastings" to fight..
        JHan
        Jan 2017
        #49
      
        
        Yes, but a fundamental component to knowing you're on the right track with your insider politicians
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #53
      
        
        corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
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        Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #60
      
        
        we're missing each others...my opinion is that we won't have good candidates if we don't demand that
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #62
      
        
        Oh fuck.. I never said the primary process was rigged by the way. OUR ENTIRE SYTEM IS RIGGED.
        JCanete
        Jan 2017
        #50
      
        
        what's interesting is that the White Working Class Supported Hillary over Obama in 2008
        JI7
        Jan 2017
        #7
      
        
        Bernie's not ruthless.  But Weaver's incompetent. Went from issues to scorched earth
        emulatorloo
        Jan 2017
        #48
      
        
        there was massive hacking, or people lied in exit polls and pre-election polls or both
        Fast Walker 52
        Jan 2017
        #40
      
        
        Don't you get it Josh?  Only women are expected to concede and help the man win.
        boston bean
        Jan 2017
        #33
      
  