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83. But let's not forget the effort she put in to lead a health care task force when Bill was
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jul 2015

President. He assigned her to dig down into the health care crisis in this country by the 1990s and come up with a solution. She took SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT for that!!!!!!!!! Oh God did they beat up on her from all sides. I was amazed at her poise back then. She never once lost her cool, she never once was snarky, she never once badmouthed her enemies - or even those who weren't really enemies but they just didn't agree with or have any confidence in what she was doing. She was thorough and graceful throughout. And she was hammered for it from all sides - "Who the hell does she think she is?" "Who voted for HER?" plus all the "too-big-a-problem", "can't-be-solved", "it's-no-use" types.

The intellect thing was kind of a thing back then, too. In an alarming trend, noticeable numbers of Americans seem to view being smart as something bad. Maybe it's because - if the guy next to you is smart, it'll make you look dumb (and we can't have thaaaaat!). It's not a matter of - if the next guy is smart, then maybe that'll help add points to the game on our side. And we'll ALL benefit from it. Because it isn't really ABOUT "sides." We're all in this together.

Fucking reagan - there was one thing I have to give him. ONE thing he said that really made sense and would prove out if it ever happened. He once observed that the one thing that would unite the entire world on the same side - would be if there was a UFO invasion. MAN was he laughed at for that one. But I found it rather mind-blowing that he would have this moment of keen sense of the human condition. The whole common enemy thing. A whole nation full of strange bedfellows. Hell, a whole globeful. ALL nations full of strange bedfellows. I always regarded reagan as a dim bulb but he had some street smarts. And he knew how to manipulate people. MAN did he know that one. That was the only thing I ever heard to come out of his mouth to which I could honestly and sincerely respond - "he's absolutely spot-on!" It'd be a hard way to learn the lesson about us all being on the same team, but maybe we're doomed to learn the big things that way.

Hey, at least she tried. She went all over. She talked to everybody and had her panel talk to everybody. She came up short, of course. Similarly to the ACA - do any of us remember that it, too, is imperfect? But shit, people. At least we have SOMETHING. We have a START. You don't build a complete house overnight. You have to lay a foundation and build from the bottom up. And we have a foundation now. Hillary at least tried to get something done, and she wasn't afraid to tackle a project that everybody considered 1) impossible and 2) miserable and boring and unglamorous. You spend your whole project down in the weeds. It's about as un-sexy a project as there is. And you get no glory and no bounce from it. No matter what you do. It was a national sport - finding fault with all things Clinton and also with a First Lady like she was. She had an office not far from the Oval Office. She wasn't just overseeing seating arrangements and menu items for state dinners, or hosting the DAR in the Rose Garden. She was an active participant in the policy arena. It was a brave and thankless thing to do and she willingly took it on.

As you might surmise - I give Hillary Clinton boatloads of points for all of the above. And she wasn't even getting paid for it. She didn't even have a formal government job title. "First Lady" was more of a ceremonial nature. But then again, she told everybody from the beginning, to "60 Minutes" during his first campaign, that she wasn't the kind of politician's wife who just stayed home baking cookies "and standin' by mah man like Tammy Wynette". Lord Have Mercy she took heat from that, with Tammy Wynette herself leading the stampede. She was an uppity woman very much UNLIKE what America had been accustomed to for a generation - with ol' bar bush and nancy reagan before her. And she took all this punishment and hunkered down and did her job and came up with the best that circumstances allowed at that time. Wasn't good enough. Got torpedoed. But at least she'd started the conversation and made some of us start looking at the problem a little deeper and/or more seriously. And remember what they say in addiction recovery: "First you have to admit you have a problem."

It was hard carving a niche in decades past! It was hard! I say this from an EXTREMELY microscopic version of Hillary Clinton's experience. My version, wee as it was, involved being the first woman hired in various radio station news departments. It came at approximately the moment in the mid'70s when the FCC started letting radio and TV stations know in effect that it was time to add a woman or two. It was a time when you started seeing female co-anchors on the local news. It was a time when you noticed, all of a sudden, that up and down the radio dial, music stations had a token female jock on staff. Most of the time, at least for starters, she worked overnights. Or later, middays. It was news, locally and within the industry, when a woman was chosen for a drive-time shift. I remember when this little sprite, Ellie Dylan (I think that's how she spelled her name) was #1 on this huge-ass rock station in New York City. It was BIG news. I remember the photo in the trades when her first ratings came out - and there she sat, in front of the control board and mic, with her index finger up in the air "Number ONE!" Hell, I remember reading profiles of the rare women deejays in major markets back when I was still in college radio. Allison Steele, the "Night Bird." At KNAC when I started, doing afternoon news breaks, there was a lady jock overnight going by the name Sunshine. There was a whole lot of that. Women on the air where it had only been men - that was a big deal.

And it was hard. You had no template if you were the first one. YOU were setting the standard, whether you wanted to or not. You were breaking ground. Most people at the station - mainly men - didn't really know how to deal with you or react to you. I had this really instructive experience going to one big radio industry convention in town. I was the news director at my station. I tried to dress like a management person would. The ol' Credibility Costume, that followed the "Dress for Success" how-to book guidelines for all you women just starting to make it in a man's world. I was one of the few women there - well, I don't remember seeing anybody else, frankly - in a nice blazer and trousers. Everybody else was in jeans and t-shirts. Except for some of the - um - "decorative" women who turned up more toward evening. It was clear that more of the male contingent felt comfortable with the decorative women than with a woman who turned up in a blazer and nice pants. There was shit like that ALL THROUGH the 70s that women had to go through. So I relate to Hillary in my own microscopic way - in pretty strong terms.

As for single-payer, yeah, I want that, too. But it's an end goal, not the first step. Obama couldn't get it either. And with the opposition we have in this country because of the masses of people who willingly vote against their own best interests, sometimes we're lucky even to get past the first step.

OH CRAP, sorry it's so long...

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Treading water is all that is madokie Jul 2015 #1
she wants to short circuit Sanders endorsements. roguevalley Jul 2015 #8
Bwaaaahhhaaahaaahh. She already has! LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #9
if you say so. roguevalley Jul 2015 #24
Ridiculous, right? LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #25
Which endorsements? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #101
Good MoonRiver Jul 2015 #2
Congress folk will have access to Hillary once she's in. oasis Jul 2015 #30
Yes, this is really excellent. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #31
Are you sure it is coalition building or artislife Jul 2015 #65
I choose to take the high road. n/t MoonRiver Jul 2015 #66
Goody for you....I chose to investigate. nt artislife Jul 2015 #68
How do you plan to do that? MoonRiver Jul 2015 #69
Well in this instance it will be hard artislife Jul 2015 #71
Ok then MoonRiver Jul 2015 #72
Coalition building = making promises wyldwolf Jul 2015 #79
Already nearly half the Dems in Congress have endorsed her... BooScout Jul 2015 #3
Yes, but it is important that she meet and talk with riversedge Jul 2015 #4
Endorsements from the 9% Approval Rating crowd. 99Forever Jul 2015 #15
So you leverage a result of Republican obstructionism to ridicule Democratic solidarity? LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #27
Facts are stubborn things, aren't they? 99Forever Jul 2015 #29
No. You have made a third cause fallacy as to the "reason" LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #97
Considering the dismal public opinion of Congress, no 'endorsements' might be a good thing. eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #86
Hm... Seems highly irregular. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #5
Maybe she's dropping out. rury Jul 2015 #7
...because that's what first place candidates always do? brooklynite Jul 2015 #12
That's one way to go out on the top of one's game, I guess. But unlikely. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #50
Um... Ok.... RiverNoord Jul 2015 #14
Agree! SoapBox Jul 2015 #10
A "closed door" session with no reporters and no reporting. No cell phones and no notes taken. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #17
Here's a picture for you. All you have to do is ask. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #21
LOL. That pic reminds me of business cards handed out by real estate agents. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #22
A "closed door" session with no reporters and no reporting. No cell phones and no notes taken. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #96
Campaigning Netanyahu style. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #20
Cuz Benghazi. zappaman Jul 2015 #54
Good...pulling Dems together is how it's done Sheepshank Jul 2015 #6
Oh! SoapBox Jul 2015 #11
Clever twist on my initiat thought Sheepshank Jul 2015 #13
A very gracious statement. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #16
thank you MJkcj Jul 2015 #75
Ted Kenney didn't turn his back, though: freshwest Jul 2015 #35
If it is this easy to get all Dems together for a chat aspirant Jul 2015 #18
A previously posted article indicates several key candidates already met with the union Sheepshank Jul 2015 #23
The moon shines bright aspirant Jul 2015 #32
I don't think it was part of her duties as SoS. And she hasn't held an official position since. freshwest Jul 2015 #43
she NEVER supported single payer karynnj Jul 2015 #61
You and I are both right, I won't argue on the details, but here are her words: freshwest Jul 2015 #73
In the first, she is using the demand for single payer as a threat - saying if you don't have karynnj Jul 2015 #76
Sorry that didn't format right, but I'm too busy to correct it now. We're on the same page. freshwest Jul 2015 #82
no problem - as noted, I added the link karynnj Jul 2015 #95
But let's not forget the effort she put in to lead a health care task force when Bill was calimary Jul 2015 #83
Nowhere do I not give her credit karynnj Jul 2015 #84
Even so, was there ANYBODY ELSE ANYWHERE who was willing to stick his or her neck out calimary Jul 2015 #98
There were many people - even some Republicans working on expanding affordable karynnj Jul 2015 #99
Super post. oasis Jul 2015 #94
Kick & Recommended. William769 Jul 2015 #19
If the Dems in Congress have to endorse her, because of the "D", if they have to be djean111 Jul 2015 #26
Who said the Dems in Congress "HAVE" to endorse her? If she didn't meet with them no doubt.... George II Jul 2015 #100
Some of these responses! hrmjustin Jul 2015 #28
Weird, no? okasha Jul 2015 #33
Well it is Hillary and some here have to see the dark side in anuthing she does. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #34
And paint a dark side okasha Jul 2015 #37
Well they are great at reaching for the stars and falling flat. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #38
When your Freaching for the stars, Hollywood sings aspirant Jul 2015 #39
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When a child spits up, aspirant Jul 2015 #44
No doubt you are an expert. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #45
Are you an expert on Freaching the stars? aspirant Jul 2015 #48
No my expertise is in typos. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #49
How many typo mistakes does an expert make/year aspirant Jul 2015 #51
At least 5,000. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #53
You make all those mistakes and have no doubts, aspirant Jul 2015 #55
I have doubts. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #56
"no doubt" (your post #45) aspirant Jul 2015 #62
Doubt whatever you like. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #63
Do you like your doubts? aspirant Jul 2015 #70
Sometimes. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #74
Would it be wise to doubt some of your DU posts? aspirant Jul 2015 #77
Would it be wise to doubts yours? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #78
"doubts yours" aspirant Jul 2015 #90
Another one of my typos. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #91
We may get to 5000 in just this thread, aspirant Jul 2015 #92
Yes. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #93
True. okasha Jul 2015 #40
Lol. My favorites were "They don't have Bernie in their hearts" and the one that said Sanders will hrmjustin Jul 2015 #42
Those are a couple of my favorites, too. okasha Jul 2015 #47
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He can after he gets help from... Space Godzilla! freshwest Jul 2015 #46
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Loved that, too! TOS is my favorite. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #57
Mine, too! okasha Jul 2015 #60
My "Democratic" rep and 2 Senators all voted for the TPP. CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #36
this is the difference restorefreedom Jul 2015 #58
Yup! peacebird Jul 2015 #59
Maybe she's just pointing out to her potential surrogates Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #64
If anything screamed establishment machine, this is it nt artislife Jul 2015 #67
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