2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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161. Uhm...

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:43 PM

Jul 2015

Yeah, I agree with most of what you say.

But unfortunately a few of the Clinton folk creeped into the Obama administration early on. Rahm Emmanuel was the worst of all possible choices for Chief of Staff and his financial advisors were really bad. I think President Obama was trying really hard to bring in too many voices to rival his own and it hurt his first two years.

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Still waiting for a hard-nosed analysis of how Sanders can [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 OP

As Obama proved, Hillary is just not a great campaigner. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #1

lolwut? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #4

Ronnie Ray-Guns was the greatest Campaigner in US history, lying sack of orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #7

Where am I? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11

W orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #15

What do you mean by "following me"? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #16

sheesh. close your blinds AnAzulTexas Jul 2015 #43

The last 2 threads I realized was you, I thought I was Having the same conversation, orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #67

Too bad she didn't get to be President. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #8

We're talking about campaigning. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #13

Hillary beat Obama on popular vote? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #33

Fine point, but... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #47

I don't object to your opinion that she is a fine campaigner passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #49

Part of being a good campainer is asking your field team to double check Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #93

Depending upon the criteria used, either one had more popular votes... George II Jul 2015 #110

Unfortunately she hired the worst field team in recent history Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #92

Uhm... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #161

Yep, as soon as Rahm was tapped I knew what would happen in 2010 Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #162

We've seen Hillary this campaign less than Dick Cheney in 2004 . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #5

The election is almost 2 years away. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #9

At this point the election is in March . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #14

Plenty of time. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #17

I don't know how you guys can stand it LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #91

I don't know about reality but it's a show . MSM doesn't rule up there like here . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #132

16 months eom LiberalElite Jul 2015 #120

You know she was campaigning for nomination in 2007-08, right? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #130

This is like the Bugs Bunny cartoon John Poet Jul 2015 #68

LOL! Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #2

Is this open to the public or just K-Street aficionados ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #3

money alone doesn't win elections. retrowire Jul 2015 #6

It's like deja vu all over again artislife Jul 2015 #10

I take it you won't be voting for her if she wins nomination? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #18

You know what? Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #20

+1000 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #22

Oh no...you refuse the loyalty oath. zeemike Jul 2015 #32

Yeah, like I'm not already on "The List." Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #36

The "loyalty oath" meme ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #55

it's not a meme it is hyperbolic sarcasm. zeemike Jul 2015 #70

You sound like you haven't been around here too long, you should know better. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #76

It's quite simple. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #121

And your last sentence proves one of my points, thanks. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #136

That putting my country first ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #141

My point is that you vote for party before country. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #154

It's not justification ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #158

So now I see your problem, you are stuck in a box. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #159

A Republican is a Republican. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #160

It's a not-so clever way to try to bait someone into violation of the TOS. So it amounts to rhett o rick Jul 2015 #101

One of them posted to me artislife Jul 2015 #102

If HRC does win the nomination, it would be interesting to see their next move. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #103

some have even publicly complained to skinner about how basically disloyal Sanders Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #111

One might think that if they didn't want to hear what Sen Sander's supporters had to say, rhett o rick Jul 2015 #119

OFFS how childish of them. Reminds me of school snitches trying to score brown nose points. L0oniX Jul 2015 #124

Is saying one will not vote for the Dem nominee ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #122

I will be glad to help you with that question. I am a bit surprised that you had to ask, rhett o rick Jul 2015 #133

Another great example ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #140

But a small group of far-right economic extremists have co-opted our party, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #144

Those rules don't come into play UNTIL John Poet Jul 2015 #149

The discussion is not about rules ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #151

I AM talking about the TOS John Poet Jul 2015 #152

I'd respond with "message hidden by jury decision"... L0oniX Jul 2015 #123

Well, these days, what gets alerted on and hidden ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #131

Vote for Bernie and I will remove the gnat ...I promise L0oniX Jul 2015 #135

Hahaha! NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #148

I think I love you!. +100 840high Jul 2015 #44

Well, what a nice thing to say! Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #45

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #62

Well put tavalon Jul 2015 #66

Then don't. jeff47 Jul 2015 #82

The same thing that cost Hagan her seat. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #87

You describe exactly what I did. jeff47 Jul 2015 #88

who can't inspire voters to bother getting to the polls, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #118

No kidding. 99Forever Jul 2015 #74

true heaven05 Jul 2015 #77

Glad someone pointed that out. malthaussen Jul 2015 #79

I think they are keeping a list of all that respond that they won't support HRC if rhett o rick Jul 2015 #99

Yeah, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #112

It's like being back in grade school all over again. L0oniX Jul 2015 #125

+1! Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #104

Let Taz Hot Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #134

Well, dang! Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #137

Just got clued in that you are baiting me to get banned artislife Jul 2015 #23

You might wanna get around to reading the TOS Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #58

I will be voting for democrats artislife Jul 2015 #59

THEY are not-so cleverly trying to bait non-HRC supporters into violating the TOS. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #100

Thanks for the heads up.... artislife Jul 2015 #60

Will someone from DU be standing behind me John Poet Jul 2015 #71

No but there are inner bowl toilet cams and mics being implanted as we speak. L0oniX Jul 2015 #126

In that case, I better John Poet Jul 2015 #150

If HRC wins the Nomination I really, reallly, really will vote for her.... Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #114

It's 3 AM and I want to talk to Hillary! John Poet Jul 2015 #69

Bwahahahahah L0oniX Jul 2015 #127

some of us, like me, mooseprime Jul 2015 #12

I like your posts too, you old phlegm-cutter you. Scuba Jul 2015 #19

One poll of many has him at 25%, all the others have him at 19% or less.... George II Jul 2015 #21

every poll that comes out....He is rising. n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #25

No more Maple leaf? nt. druidity33 Jul 2015 #34

I guess he realized calling him Canadian wasn't quite the "gotcha" he thought it was. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #84

+1 Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #106

one detail in this poll destroys the rich white liberal only meme...... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #24

Hmmmm DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #46

Every new poll that I see has Bernie rising compared to the previous version of the same poll virtualobserver Jul 2015 #48

That's not what the Huffington Post Poll Of Polls indicates: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #50

Hillary hasn't been running since 2012 virtualobserver Jul 2015 #51

Senator Sanders has risen but HRC has remained in the high 50s , low 60s DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #52

from your link, you can see the downward trend on the chart for her virtualobserver Jul 2015 #53

She's lost four points since April, when the race heated up. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #63

I actually think she believes she ran in 92...nt artislife Jul 2015 #54

Hillary has been running for President... bvar22 Jul 2015 #107

K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #26

Kicked Enthusiast Jul 2015 #27

I love the way you use humor and facts to cut through the BS. R. P. McMurphy Jul 2015 #28

I've been thinking about this Plucketeer Jul 2015 #29

Tonight, I rec a MannyGoldstein thread. Hiraeth Jul 2015 #30

THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THE TOS! L0oniX Jul 2015 #128

automatic MannyG kick ENGAGE. navarth Jul 2015 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #35

Not positive it will be Hillary in the primary but it will not be Bernie. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #37

Really? How did you get to that conclusion? morningfog Jul 2015 #39

Bernie just can't draw the big crowds. The Rolling Stones just drew a crowd of 40,000 in Detroit. tclambert Jul 2015 #38

Bernie hasn't campaigned in Detroit yet. morningfog Jul 2015 #40

If he pulls in more people than the Stones that would be truly awesome. tclambert Jul 2015 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #41

Maybe he could appear on stage with them Mnpaul Jul 2015 #75

That's worth a LOL. malthaussen Jul 2015 #81

cuz all is supporters are chanting "WE think he CAN, WE think he CAN" and helping him up the Hill fed-up Jul 2015 #56

sensible as always ibegurpard Jul 2015 #57

What about the nomination? Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #61

There's an enormous number of people saying "I like Bernie, but he can't win" jeff47 Jul 2015 #85

So get the ground game going... Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #146

Our poll experts were touting that he would not BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #64

Kos is a whore. John Poet Jul 2015 #72

#100 rec. #Bernt. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #65

And besides... 99Forever Jul 2015 #73

God, not this shizzle again! She's earned it! R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #116

Captain Yossarian can go home after 25 missions... malthaussen Jul 2015 #78

Catch 2016? nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #80

Bernie Minderbinder says Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #83

Most people vote emotionally, just like they buy emotionally. Logic often lags behind as to how libdem4life Jul 2015 #86

Any challenger from the left was going to start with 30% support Fred Friendlier Jul 2015 #89

But it was this challenger artislife Jul 2015 #96

Bernie didn't start with an automatic 30%. bvar22 Jul 2015 #109

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a 72-year-old Arkana Jul 2015 #90

Simple - Bernie explains what he means by democratic socialism TBF Jul 2015 #97

Yes, because the right will definitely make that distinction. Arkana Jul 2015 #115

"And what does he do for money, pray tell"? TBF Jul 2015 #153

Like this guy did. bvar22 Jul 2015 #157

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #94

this is not about Sanders vs Clinton azureblue Jul 2015 #95

Combined they are too old - TBF Jul 2015 #98

Since I became aware of The Clintons, bvar22 Jul 2015 #108

This is why I hope Hillary, should she win the nomination, gets a good leftist VP -- senz Jul 2015 #143

I refuse to be her Vice President. bvar22 Jul 2015 #155

LOL, thanks, bvar22. After having just gotten barred from a thread, I needed a good laugh. ;-) senz Jul 2015 #156

People are talking about the general election iandhr Jul 2015 #105

two words: The Internet fbc Jul 2015 #113

Just watch the goal post movers, they are running around frantically trying to be in the right place sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #117

Those goal posts have NOS powered monster truck castors. L0oniX Jul 2015 #129

Lol! sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #138

All is well!!! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #145

Lol, I believe that will be the fate of the goal post movers before this all over. Flat on the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #147

Yes, Manny these are the interpretations: sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #139

When people close to HRC start giong after Bernie, I know I'm on the right path. Avalux Jul 2015 #142