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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton Called People on Welfare "Deadbeats" [View all]Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)90. Debunked: People have wrongly claimed Hillary was only referring to "deadbeat dads"
So here is the 2002 interview piece cited where she talks about getting deadbeats off welfare, and there is nothing in it about dads or child support enforcement.
Original behind paywall here...
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/19796257/
But republished in several newspapers and can be found in various online archives like this...
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TnshAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IYoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1438%2C3320670
Or like this, complete at link but edited for length here by me. And this is not about "deadbeat dads":
Clinton finds herself in midst of welfare reform
April 16, 2002 12:00 am MARIE COCCO(0) Comments
Newsday
WASHINGTON - This is when the Hillary lore meets Hillary the legislator.
Welfare reform is back.
It was one of those arguments six years ago in which Hillary Rodham Clinton could not catch a break. To the right, she was the shadowy operative of a leftist cabal in the White House, bent on keeping her own husband from fulfilling his promise to end welfare as we know it. To the left she was a traitor, willing to sell out the women and children she professed to care more about.
"There were people in the White House who said, 'just sign anything,' you know," the New York senator said in an interview. "And I thought that was wrong. We wanted to do it in a way that kept faith with our goals: End welfare as we know it, substitute dignity for dependence, but make work pay."
...
The welfare rolls have been cut in half. Child poverty has dropped. Poverty overall is down. Work, overall, is up.
"Now that we've said these people are no longer deadbeats - they're actually out there being productive - how do we keep them there?" Clinton said.
Congress must now reauthorize the landmark 1996 legislation...
The former welfare mothers are working. But they are still poor. About a third of those who left welfare report that they shrink their meals - or skip them altogether - because they haven't enough food. Even more say they can't pay the rent or the utility bills every month. The U.S. Conference of Mayors, in its annual report on hunger and homelessness, says welfare revision is an engine driving the working poor to the food pantries....
"Now the conversation should be about how do you make work pay? How do you reduce poverty?" the senator said. "Before, it was about this terrible welfare system, and that was a conversation stopper. It just blinded people to what some of the underlying problems were."
The underlying problems are still the underlying problems. Child care for the working poor remains scarce, and scarcely affordable. Transportation to jobs in the suburbs is spotty. State health insurance coverage for poor kids often is unavailable to their mothers, who must, nonetheless, stay healthy to stay at work. And to care for the kids....
...
link: http://poststar.com/opinion/commentary/clinton-finds-herself-in-midst-of-welfare-reform/article_599bddbb-686e-5d58-88cd-6a3b8d859e7b.html
Newsday
WASHINGTON - This is when the Hillary lore meets Hillary the legislator.
Welfare reform is back.
It was one of those arguments six years ago in which Hillary Rodham Clinton could not catch a break. To the right, she was the shadowy operative of a leftist cabal in the White House, bent on keeping her own husband from fulfilling his promise to end welfare as we know it. To the left she was a traitor, willing to sell out the women and children she professed to care more about.
"There were people in the White House who said, 'just sign anything,' you know," the New York senator said in an interview. "And I thought that was wrong. We wanted to do it in a way that kept faith with our goals: End welfare as we know it, substitute dignity for dependence, but make work pay."
...
The welfare rolls have been cut in half. Child poverty has dropped. Poverty overall is down. Work, overall, is up.
"Now that we've said these people are no longer deadbeats - they're actually out there being productive - how do we keep them there?" Clinton said.
Congress must now reauthorize the landmark 1996 legislation...
The former welfare mothers are working. But they are still poor. About a third of those who left welfare report that they shrink their meals - or skip them altogether - because they haven't enough food. Even more say they can't pay the rent or the utility bills every month. The U.S. Conference of Mayors, in its annual report on hunger and homelessness, says welfare revision is an engine driving the working poor to the food pantries....
"Now the conversation should be about how do you make work pay? How do you reduce poverty?" the senator said. "Before, it was about this terrible welfare system, and that was a conversation stopper. It just blinded people to what some of the underlying problems were."
The underlying problems are still the underlying problems. Child care for the working poor remains scarce, and scarcely affordable. Transportation to jobs in the suburbs is spotty. State health insurance coverage for poor kids often is unavailable to their mothers, who must, nonetheless, stay healthy to stay at work. And to care for the kids....
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"these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually...being productive—how do we keep there"
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#7
People on welfare are not deadbeats. They are people in need. And a compassionate nation helps
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#24
It was not useful terminology then unless you were trying to make political points by division.
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#36
Getting off welfare is STILL a good thing. Your insinuation that the OP says otherwise is weak.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#100
It's really quite straight forward. I will be glad to go thru it one more time.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#117
Provide the context then. Tell me how she used welfare recipients and deadbeats in a positive manner
Luminous Animal
Jul 2015
#9
She has no chance to win the GE. People don't trust her, and it's no surprise. nt
Zorra
Jul 2015
#10
or Qadima attacking Gaza--to keep the REAL warmongers, Likud, out of office, natch!
MisterP
Jul 2015
#83
Was this post intended on bashing or smearing Hillary Clinton? I have seen posts saying this is not
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#28
She has been talking about economics. In fact she had something tosay about Jeb's comment.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#62
I know her plan to get profit sharing back to the employees does not put money into the pockets of
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#75
Perhaps tell the $15 minimum wage promoters the minimum wage in Seattle is $15, aim higher.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#82
I sure would like to sneak into GOP headquarters and have a look in their dirt box.
zeemike
Jul 2015
#34
Hillary is the candidate the GOP does not want in the general, listen to Bill Krystal, he wants some
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#63
Not bothered with the TLC for sure, since it is a think tank which plans contrary to popular belief.
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#76
What did you call the thieving employers and bank$ter/donors that fucked them over and
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#39
When you make $200,000.00 to speak for 45 minutes you figure poverty is a choice.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2015
#41
Would you turn down $200,000 to speak to a group? Hell no, look at how much a football player gets
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#64
When discussion of her public service record and "bashing" become the same thing . . .
pa28
Jul 2015
#49
I believe everything is in order. All the quotes check out as real. Here are the links.
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#61
Yes. Some are wrongly claiming she was only referring to "deadbeat dads"...
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#99
In the Clinton's social circles, folks on Social Security are considered deadbeats.
NorthCarolina
Jul 2015
#70
Did Rhonda Costa grab her Gucci bag and drive her Cadillac to that interview at Salomon?
frylock
Jul 2015
#87
Debunked: People have wrongly claimed Hillary was only referring to "deadbeat dads"
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#90