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158. Is there any evidence that RWers used West's words as you suggest?

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Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:56 AM

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Can't the Cornel West apologists admit that his use of the word "n***ized" [View all] pnwmom Sep 2015 OP

You seem really intent on telling a black man to watch his mouth and know his place Scootaloo Sep 2015 #1

I'm talking to mostly white Bernie supporters who think it's fine that this guy pnwmom Sep 2015 #9

And I'm talking to white clinton supporters who think they have the right Scootaloo Sep 2015 #30

Sweet!! Bonobo Sep 2015 #35

No one has told West ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #98

Many great points in this post brush Sep 2015 #112

You cited a homophobic misogynist who called West a pimp and a hustler, Brush Scootaloo Sep 2015 #114

That is EXACTLY what is being said, Nance Scootaloo Sep 2015 #113

I said nothing ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #127

'ain't my monkey, ain't my circus' LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #133

Right??? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #152

When I saw a thread with "apologist" in the title Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #166

Cause we all know ALL and I mean this, ALL African Americans speak with absolutely ONE VOICE... err nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #184

+a zillion 840high Sep 2015 #132

+ a brazillion beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #153

Oh, yeah! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #170

I'm glad we have you to tell us who the "wrong" black people are. n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #55

Cornel can and does say whatever he wants. But Bernie has wrapped his arms underthematrix Sep 2015 #12

Like Jeremiah Wright!! As Hillary said: "You choose your own preachers!" Bonobo Sep 2015 #28

Jeremiah Wright is a bi-racial pastor a former marine, who said GOD DAMN AMERICA underthematrix Sep 2015 #75

You can throw the mic JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #150

I've heard this argument before. Jeremiah Wright. Donnie McClurkin. Bill Ayers. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #46

Yep. bvf Sep 2015 #107

glad to see you like McClurkin dsc Sep 2015 #154

I don't like McClurkin at all Scootaloo Sep 2015 #156

Obama sure is guilty for what MeClurkin said at an event that Obama dsc Sep 2015 #160

Alright. I get you there. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #162

I'm a black man who is a (mild) supporter of President Obama in spite of his flaws Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #82

That does not appear to resemble what West has said Scootaloo Sep 2015 #106

Are you claiming that what West has said is not what "Clinton supporters allege? brush Sep 2015 #116

it is not what Chitown Kev alleged. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #122

Please post a link to where someone except you said . . . brush Sep 2015 #126

I know this game, Brush Scootaloo Sep 2015 #129

So you're saying West's characterizations of the President are OK? brush Sep 2015 #130

I very honestly don't have an opinion of what West has said. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #135

If I wanted to call Dr. West "uppity" Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #131

See my reply to brush, #135 Scootaloo Sep 2015 #139

Well, then, debate me. TM99 Sep 2015 #149

The overwhelming majoriy of AA's dislike the language the Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #159

Some black blogs and some black radio. TM99 Sep 2015 #161

I think both West and the women from the Seattle event mythology Sep 2015 #173

Not this shit again. STOP. 840high Sep 2015 #134

Beg pardon? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #137

sorry - this message was 840high Sep 2015 #172

Saying BLM deserves a voice while demanding Cornel not have one is not a logical position. Bonobo Sep 2015 #2

BLM wasn't using slurs against anyone. If they had called Bernie a comparable name pnwmom Sep 2015 #11

BLMs message that America is a White Supremacist nation is exactly what Cornel is talking about. Bonobo Sep 2015 #17

Did you like it when some people were calling Bernie a white supremacist? pnwmom Sep 2015 #77

"Like" has nothing to do with it. Bonobo Sep 2015 #84

He used a form of the N word. That was his choice. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #87

You should stay out of the internal dialog between black people since you don't get the context. Bonobo Sep 2015 #90

BLM called Sanders a "white supremacist liberal." That's pretty slurry as far as slurs go AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #24

Oh, the irony! When Cornel used the phrase "White supremacy" in his intro speech to Sanders... Bonobo Sep 2015 #32

Exactly. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #73

And didn't you object to that? n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #79

Point is you didn't object. Cornel used identical phrasing AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #83

Ouch! nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #91

Now that's laughable AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #72

white supremacist is not a slur? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #97

Bernie's supporters weren't shocked and angry? nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #180

They called his supporters white supremacists. What would you consider a slur? Doctor_J Sep 2015 #178

How do you think Bernie's supporters reacted? Weren't they angry? pnwmom Sep 2015 #181

Particularly odd since Cornel West is a BLM activist. People say we need to listen to BLM activists Chathamization Sep 2015 #57

Boom goes the dynamite, I guess is what some would say. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #64

The answers I've seen have ranged from straight deflection to intimating it's ok because he black uponit7771 Sep 2015 #3

No RandySF Sep 2015 #4

I don't want a scholar's words to need to pass some half-wit Republican muster. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #5

He wasn't speaking as a scholar. He was speaking as an attention-seeking blowhard pnwmom Sep 2015 #13

See post 5. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #16

Not cool. He's a fellow Democrat and Socialist. Your hyperbolicity is getting tiresome. ancianita Sep 2015 #33

He uses racially-based hate words against the first African American President. I don't care what party he is; pnwmom Sep 2015 #40

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #43

Touché! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #65

This theory has no basis in reality whatsoever.. frylock Sep 2015 #48

Ignoring the context of the message? Barky Bark Sep 2015 #6

The context doesn't take the ugliness out of the slur. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #22

The context IS the ugliness that produced the words, which Obama understands and you don't. ancianita Sep 2015 #37

Where is your evidence that Obama would excuse West's personal, racially based attacks? pnwmom Sep 2015 #47

I posted a video of him saying he loved West on another thread. You provide evidence that Obama ancianita Sep 2015 #56

I would argue further that West does not need to be excused by Obama. Iris Sep 2015 #142

You are misidentifying what is ugly. Ugly is to not use one's position of power to help Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #86

And that's the point. Bernie doesn't get it. underthematrix Sep 2015 #7

'Let BLM speak!!!" Tell Cornel to shut his racist mouth!!" Bonobo Sep 2015 #8

this has nothing to do with Cornel West. This is underthematrix Sep 2015 #14

Erm, what? nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #19

Keep moving. NOthing to see here underthematrix Sep 2015 #23

I simply did not understand what your last message meant. That's all. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #25

well read my other posts here. I have said the same thing at least three times. underthematrix Sep 2015 #34

Makes no damn sense. This OP is about Cornel. Bonobo Sep 2015 #38

Look this is not about making Bernie bad. I don't do that kind of crazy childish shit. underthematrix Sep 2015 #54

OK, that's your opinion. Mine is different. Bonobo Sep 2015 #60

And I respect that. underthematrix Sep 2015 #63

People are now criticizing Bernie Sanders through his choice of having Cornel West introduce him. ancianita Sep 2015 #45

But the damned irony of it? How can they stand it? Bonobo Sep 2015 #52

With you. Although I admit I haven't thought of the inconsistency of it. ancianita Sep 2015 #71

yes, see my sig grasswire Sep 2015 #118

Frederick Douglass? Bonobo Sep 2015 #119

That's how your worldview operates. No I'm not voting for Bernie in the primary but underthematrix Sep 2015 #69

You forgot "too humble". nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #70

My fierceness is real. Humility is not required underthematrix Sep 2015 #78

"ferocity" is the preferred term for highly educated people such as ourselves. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #81

You had me laughing on that one. Then I noticed your sig line. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #110

A famous character by Eugene Levy as well. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #111

I'm a Democrat and will vote the way you do. If Cornel were running I'd still vote for him, because ancianita Sep 2015 #74

Yep you vote the DEM ticket no matter what underthematrix Sep 2015 #80

Just wait 'til Bernie gets "swiftboated" with video clips . . . brush Sep 2015 #96

GOP ads that pit black against black? Kind of Willy Horton-y, eh? They'll come off as more racist ancianita Sep 2015 #105

You really don't know how despised West is in the AA community do you? brush Sep 2015 #108

Maybe the AA community you know, but not the one I know. You think you got your hand on the ancianita Sep 2015 #109

The Sanders campaign picked the wrong guy to be a surrogate brush Sep 2015 #121

You act like you and you alone TM99 Sep 2015 #125

You are part of the problem. You assume because I criticized . . . brush Sep 2015 #128

Well, given how insufferable we Sanders supporters TM99 Sep 2015 #136

Say what you want about Obama but he accomplished . . . brush Sep 2015 #145

We are going to disagree TM99 Sep 2015 #148

That's all well and good. West is a brilliant man but . . . brush Sep 2015 #164

Your last sentence I definitely disagree with. TM99 Sep 2015 #165

Clinton's advisors do not serve her well. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #138

Are they going on tour together? artislife Sep 2015 #120

We're already well aware of just how low other campaigns can stoop. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #143

"This has nothing to do with Cornell West" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #140

Tell Cornel to stop slinging ugly, personal slurs at Obama. How about that? pnwmom Sep 2015 #18

He is describing a very relevant phenomena, albiet in an inflammatory way. Bonobo Sep 2015 #21

Why cornel on check? He can say what he wants. The candidate underthematrix Sep 2015 #29

Exactly. No one would care what West says EXCEPT that Bernie has aligned with him. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #51

Well Bernie did align with him for a purpose. He's Bernie's guy. underthematrix Sep 2015 #58

And there it is. Thank you for your honesty, Pnwmom Scootaloo Sep 2015 #146

Yeah. Obama should have run away from Rev. Wright sooner. (An Obama move, by the way, Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #67

How about you give it up already. It was YEARS AGO. He's explained himself. Bernie and Obama get it ancianita Sep 2015 #49

Do you have evidence that Obama is fine with the continuing name calling? n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #53

Here: eight years of GOP namecalling. You think any criticism of a "brother" would faze him? ancianita Sep 2015 #59

This is about Obama's coalition, specifically the AA part. underthematrix Sep 2015 #94

So does Cornel, which is why he felt free to call out the president to live up to the struggle. I ancianita Sep 2015 #99

I don't get it because I don't agree with you? President Obama is not underthematrix Sep 2015 #61

Well, that IS the running standard for "not getting it" around these parts Scootaloo Sep 2015 #141

Ahhh. . . it wasn't just years ago brush Sep 2015 #147

+1000. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #15

Gift to right wing haters and bigots? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #10

is Dr. Cornel West white ? Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #20

I don't think it's any more acceptable for West to call Obama that pnwmom Sep 2015 #31

wait ? Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #41

No, you said that. I said he used racially based slurs against the President. pnwmom Sep 2015 #50

You are telling a black scholar and activist to tone down his rhetoric, we get it. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #44

Cornel West apologists? frylock Sep 2015 #26

You have a problem with the dictionary definition of the word? pnwmom Sep 2015 #68

I think we, at least I, am not apologizing for anything he said. He's a smart man. He can say what Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #92

That's not what the word apologist means. I gave the dictionary definition. pnwmom Sep 2015 #103

Thanks for the education. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #104

You're welcome. pnwmom Sep 2015 #123

Cornel West apologists it is, then. frylock Sep 2015 #95

Nope. Not a gift. Pretty sure that if/when Bernie Sanders is nominated, and the GOP brings up ancianita Sep 2015 #27

Most likely repug PACs will run 24/7 ads "swiftboating" Sanders with . . . brush Sep 2015 #101

Should we all live our lives in fear of what rightwing haters and bigots think? arcane1 Sep 2015 #36

Same reason why people riot and burn down a CVS in Baltimore. Why burn down your own neighborhood? Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #39

We've spent decades, politically, fretting over what the Republicans would make of our actions and Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #42

Racists and Bigots in both the republican Party and azmom Sep 2015 #62

Thank you. Any other AA leader who isn't picture perfect would get the same harsh treatment. ancianita Sep 2015 #76

you lost me at 'gift to rightwing haters and bigots' AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #66

If you agree with West on every issue he differs from Obama on, then what is all the bile about? mhatrw Sep 2015 #85

How do you know Obama would defend the use of the word "n***ized" against anyone? n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #88

you crazy! mhatrw Sep 2015 #89

You do realize that "***" is really quite childish and doesn't change the meaning of the word? You Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #100

I'm not misquoting him, as you could find out with a simple google search. pnwmom Sep 2015 #102

no eom noiretextatique Sep 2015 #93

I was told I oughtent whitesplain to black activists JackInGreen Sep 2015 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author mhatrw Sep 2015 #117

I didn't like that turn of phrase... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #124

Is this your new hobby? Besides counting black faces in crowds I mean. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #144

"I don't understand the question." Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #167

: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #169

He used the word not me. Jappleseed Sep 2015 #151

I would not hold my breath on this Gothmog Sep 2015 #155

Are you not a white, straight person who promotes religious clergy who call LGBT rights Satan's idea Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #157

Is there any evidence that RWers used West's words as you suggest? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #158

We need to hand out Approved Minorities badges Prism Sep 2015 #163

. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #168

I'd actually rather you read as many of them as you can. Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #174

I never pick and choose Prism Sep 2015 #175

Then we have something in common :) Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #179

I like "old" Cornel West Prism Sep 2015 #182

Yeah, after "Race Matters" Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #183

Nope .. unfortunately.. some agree with with Cornel West.. Peacetrain Sep 2015 #171

Why should I apologize for Dr West? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #176

I haven't seen any apologies for prof west Doctor_J Sep 2015 #177

I am white and it is NOT my word to use or comment upon. hifiguy Sep 2015 #185