2016 Postmortem

Garrett78

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139. "I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat." ~ Will Rogers

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 02:04 PM

Sep 2015

The party establishment is inept (while the Republican Party is getting massive free advertising, the first Democratic candidate debate is still a month away). More than anything, though, I think the Democratic Party is stymied by cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, its members probably want to be progressive on more than just a few social issues. On the other hand, its members feel constrained by what Robert Jensen calls "the captains of industry and finance," who Jensen says "set the parameters of political action." So, on any big money issue (from military spending to criminal justice to tax reform to free trade to immigration), Democrats are extremely careful to not rock the boat.

So, it isn't so much that Democrats want to lose as it is they're confused about how to win. Now, gerrymandering doesn't help (and the failure to do something about gerrymandering speaks to an ineptitude), but I think the bottomline is that federal level politicians (on both sides of the aisle) simply don't know how to operate in the current climate (a climate in which moneyed interests rule and the masses are either too ignorant or too disgusted to care).

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OK I'll just say it: the dem establishment wants to lose this election [View all] restorefreedom Sep 2015 OP

With money and power comes arrogance and complacency. It's not that they don't want to win. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #1

They want a corporate candidate to win. PERIOD. Their owners have spoken, Damn the voters Vincardog Sep 2015 #26

Its all about the Plutocracy! They are terrified of Bernie and what he represents, that the Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #77

That's the narrative. tecelote Sep 2015 #113

Socialism Rocks! redstateblues Sep 2015 #275

excellent summary. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #121

This election IS the most important election since Lincoln was President! It STARTS with Vincardog Sep 2015 #165

Yes!!! We recruit other candidates to follow in Bernie's footsteps. Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #167

++ good Vincardog Sep 2015 #168

+ a brazilian. hifiguy Sep 2015 #178

Yes he is and I don't think that most people realize this! Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #242

Well said. Bravo! hifiguy Sep 2015 #243

The fierce urgency of NOW. Great post. Great thread! n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #252

go bernie! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #257

^ That's the answer. TBF Sep 2015 #284

You hit the nail on the head. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #333

LOL. Hey look, a conspiracy theory! DanTex Sep 2015 #2

I go by what I see restorefreedom Sep 2015 #4

You do realize that the relevant will of the people hasn't actually been determined yet right? mythology Sep 2015 #298

he is ahead in the first two states restorefreedom Sep 2015 #299

It still baffles me why the DNC or democrats kacekwl Sep 2015 #326

you seriously don't think it is even a possibility restorefreedom Sep 2015 #6

No. Obviously not. The Dems want to win and the Reps want to win. No politicians or parties want DanTex Sep 2015 #8

that is the way it used to be restorefreedom Sep 2015 #11

The GOP threatens the Dems and the Dems threaten the GOP. DanTex Sep 2015 #17

have you actually listened to bernie? restorefreedom Sep 2015 #38

Both parties are complicit in the corruption azmom Sep 2015 #56

i just hope its not too late. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #59

The Democratic Party does not want Bernie to win. azmom Sep 2015 #67

thank goodness for the young restorefreedom Sep 2015 #73

He has been fighting the good fight azmom Sep 2015 #83

amen to that. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #85

You are correct. Their scam requires that both parties play along. And Bernie will fuck up the game GoneFishin Sep 2015 #99

Ha..good luck with all that Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #184

It's on. The political revolution azmom Sep 2015 #194

Naw man I'm a billionaire Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #196

That explains everything. N/t azmom Sep 2015 #197

Yes. And Hillary also. And I still don't believe in your conspiracy theories. At all. DanTex Sep 2015 #150

bernie does not have "no chance" restorefreedom Sep 2015 #154

Well, most establishment Dems believe that. You are free to disagree, but your disagreement doesn't DanTex Sep 2015 #159

yes running on 12 instead of 15 an hour restorefreedom Sep 2015 #198

There's a disconnect here you just can't remedy. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #173

What is the evidence for the statement that everyone 'outside the DC bubble" understands JDPriestly Sep 2015 #338

Koch's contribute to some of the Dems. Prairiegale Sep 2015 #341

Third post and already linking to a right-wing site. That was quick. DanTex Sep 2015 #342

Look for yourself and see what you think Prairiegale Sep 2015 #344

It still AMAZES me that anyone around here thinks there is ANY remote sense of randys1 Sep 2015 #138

There is a difference between the two parties on economic issues? Mnpaul Sep 2015 #247

Then you aren't looking mythology Sep 2015 #302

I'm not working for minimum wage Mnpaul Sep 2015 #311

No difference, is that what you are saying? I cant respond to a statement that ludicrous randys1 Sep 2015 #335

On the issues important to me there is no difference Mnpaul Sep 2015 #348

So Black lives, Women's rights, Gay rights, not important? Just pocketbook? How about randys1 Sep 2015 #349

I'm not black or gay Mnpaul Sep 2015 #350

You arent Black or Gay therefore who cares? got it randys1 Sep 2015 #351

Nice strawman argument there Mnpaul Sep 2015 #352

Yes, you said the lives of Black people and Gay and Women are not on the top of your randys1 Sep 2015 #353

Gay rights aren't at the top of the list Mnpaul Sep 2015 #354

DWS... DWS? You mean the same DWS that campaigned for 3 Republicans in the last election? A Simple Game Sep 2015 #319

Blankfein, speaking for Wall Street, hifiguy Sep 2015 #185

Yes, it suggests that he personally is comfortable with HRC or Jeb. DanTex Sep 2015 #189

Yeah, it's not like there's a history of establishment Democrats jeff47 Sep 2015 #217

Couldn't tell from watching the DNC at work. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2015 #307

Just like the Establishment didn't want Elizabeth Warren elected to the Senate? brooklynite Sep 2015 #65

she had a mixed history in earlier days restorefreedom Sep 2015 #68

You mean like Arlen Specter? d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #135

or in your delusion you don't want to see the cooperation Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #179

The Question Must Be Asked McKim Sep 2015 #322

Are there any "Centrist" Republicans running whom can even win their party's primary? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #337

Is it really necessary to reply to OP that way? Chakaconcarne Sep 2015 #14

thanks. i did put my armor on restorefreedom Sep 2015 #16

Is it not a conspiracy theory? I mean, suggesting that the DNC is trying to sabotage the election DanTex Sep 2015 #20

it is not an attack restorefreedom Sep 2015 #39

The tone is decidedly conspiratorial Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #182

For Dan, yes it is. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #219

Conspiracy theory? nichomachus Sep 2015 #24

Doesn't the original post propose what would be an actual conspiracy ToxMarz Sep 2015 #64

I always try to avoid using the conspiracy term restorefreedom Sep 2015 #112

Doesn't Debbie Schultz's deliberate refusal to start the Democratic Cal33 Sep 2015 #27

What does that have to do with the theory that they want the GOP to win? Nothing. DanTex Sep 2015 #29

Yes. You are correct. It squelches the voices of all dem candidates while allowing the Repuglican GoneFishin Sep 2015 #105

No...it allows the GOP to make asses of themselves Gloria Sep 2015 #123

<< The more they sit there on the stage railing about religion, war, etc. the stranger they seem. >> Cal33 Sep 2015 #250

YEs, but these people won't vote Dem anyway...and Gloria Sep 2015 #297

Do not underestimate the power of the Stupid Side. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #317

I agree. In recent decades, Republicans have been winning elections just as frequently as Cal33 Sep 2015 #364

2014 Midterms "Conspiracy Theory" bahrbearian Sep 2015 #28

Aha, you're saying they lost on purpose. Obviously there is evidence of that. You know, some DanTex Sep 2015 #30

"Evidence based person" yet it is overwhelmingly assumption after assumption. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #31

please feel free to offer your own evidence restorefreedom Sep 2015 #42

Please present other evidence or other conclusions to the evidence that has been offered. highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #52

good additions, all. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #54

Also some debates are scheduled during major sports games according to several here. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #285

thank you so much. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #286

1) the republican debates are greatly helping our brand. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #80

I just posted something similar.... Gloria Sep 2015 #160

wrong about sanders having no chance restorefreedom Sep 2015 #199

Politics is not a zero sum game. jeff47 Sep 2015 #221

Ease up. gregcrawford Sep 2015 #74

i think its naive too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #88

So glad you posted this. Thanks. eom Duval Sep 2015 #181

Right because there's no such thing as legacy Ivy League students. closeupready Sep 2015 #101

LOL that has become the catch all dismissal. zeemike Sep 2015 #116

Is that an alert talking point? Autumn Sep 2015 #170

Thanks for giving me a laugh Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #183

If doesn't matter if there is a conspiracy or not. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #206

right restorefreedom Sep 2015 #213

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #223

Denigrating this OP, chervilant Sep 2015 #241

Too bad you can't come up with anything that makes sense so you have to start yelling Conspiracy rhett o rick Sep 2015 #303

Just like 2010, 2012, 2014 FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #3

I think some didn't care if they lost the midterms. TDale313 Sep 2015 #229

If the Repubs. win in 2016, it could be the end of what's left of democracy, and Cal33 Sep 2015 #5

If a Corporate Democrat wins it will be the same. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #7

+1 and a huge THANKS for saying this RiverLover Sep 2015 #21

It would be similar, but not quite exactly the same. A Corporate Democrat would, for instance, Cal33 Sep 2015 #40

She would hasten the demise of the Democratic Party and hand it to the GOP Skwmom Sep 2015 #90

Yes. Having a corporate Democrat as President effectively muzzles most Democratic dissent RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #94

As we clearly saw in the Bill Clinton administration: jwirr Sep 2015 #157

I gotta disagree with you Scootaloo Sep 2015 #308

Pres. Obama certainly was trying very hard for bipartisanship. He appointed 2 Supreme Cal33 Sep 2015 #371

Absolutely. There may be a few differences, but the "bottom line" will be the same. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #87

So Hillary would repeal the ACA then ... is that your point? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #193

No but would she push for single payer ? kacekwl Sep 2015 #324

You can not claim she is the SAME as the GOP ... and then admit that ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #340

+1 appalachiablue Sep 2015 #78

LOL. This place sometimes. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #9

always aim to entertain....nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #15

So does Donald Trump. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #43

hey, i am with donald! restorefreedom Sep 2015 #44

Don't feel too special MoveIt Sep 2015 #174

lol. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #202

It's the same MO they've used in Fla for years. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #10

+1 liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #12

exactly. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #13

Correction: WE threaten to take it away. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #23

correction happily noted! restorefreedom Sep 2015 #37

Yes that is exactly right. And DWS is smart enough to know that closeupready Sep 2015 #115

What he said... Gmak Sep 2015 #148

I agree! Prairiegale Sep 2015 #345

Debbie Wasserman Shultz is turning into the Ralph Nadar of this election. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #18

MITCHELL: "The Republicans are drowning you guys out, though." DWS: "Good" RiverLover Sep 2015 #19

either the OP is correct or the party is led by idiots ibegurpard Sep 2015 #25

i have left open in my mind restorefreedom Sep 2015 #62

in other words there is no need for the Democrats to do any work. All they have to do is liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #34

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Sep 2015 #75

That was a losing strategy last election abelenkpe Sep 2015 #145

"Better than a Republican" doesn't work anymore Mnpaul Sep 2015 #246

How so? I didn't know she was running. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #93

Reading comprehension? /nt RiverLover Sep 2015 #95

Nobody is getting drowned out... Gloria Sep 2015 #162

Honest to Princess Celestia and the FSM, I am really starting to believe hifiguy Sep 2015 #186

if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck......nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #195

And all it would take is President Obama saying "pack your things, Debbie." Scootaloo Sep 2015 #309

My guess is that the scientific community has a much different definition of evidence nt Godhumor Sep 2015 #22

i wish a gas chromatograph could help here restorefreedom Sep 2015 #47

Tell me about, I love Sociological and Political science.... daleanime Sep 2015 #100

i think they are are different restorefreedom Sep 2015 #103

Different, yes.... daleanime Sep 2015 #218

true, human nature restorefreedom Sep 2015 #220

I actually think there is some wisdom in not deflecting from the Republicans verbal food fight The empressof all Sep 2015 #32

Ask any non political person you know ibegurpard Sep 2015 #41

Yep jberryhill Sep 2015 #84

When you don't show an alternative, shining in their idiotic glory doesn't work. jeff47 Sep 2015 #226

I don't know The empressof all Sep 2015 #231

No, they will have decided politicians all suck jeff47 Sep 2015 #235

I'd be more happy with a bowl of good old fashioned oatmeal and Vermont maple sugar. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author restorefreedom Sep 2015 #259

Okay. LWolf Sep 2015 #273

good grief, even a third grader could get it when explained this way. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #233

Because DWS's paycheck depends on her not understanding it. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #236

sad. but true. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #237

I agree, and the corporate media do the same. sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #33

it makes sense restorefreedom Sep 2015 #48

Because there is a level Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #36

+1 azmom Sep 2015 #201

Respectfully disagree. I think the corporate establishment wants to win this election RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #45

good analysis. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #49

Guess again. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #255

I have to wonder if the elections aren't just for show now BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #46

that is exactly it restorefreedom Sep 2015 #50

I have considered the same factors. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #51

it did not give me any pleasure..... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #57

Eventually the population will wake up and the corporations will have to relinquish power. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #63

its sad restorefreedom Sep 2015 #66

Silly. nt Nitram Sep 2015 #53

Of course its quite the opposite. DCBob Sep 2015 #55

agree with you IF restorefreedom Sep 2015 #58

Of course shenmue Sep 2015 #97

The real elites don't care one way or the other. They'll get their tax breaks, wars, privileges, leveymg Sep 2015 #60

good points restorefreedom Sep 2015 #76

OK, I'll say it: that's a stupid assertion... brooklynite Sep 2015 #61

you can throw the word stupid around all you want restorefreedom Sep 2015 #70

Lets review our memes, shall we? brooklynite Sep 2015 #69

that is not what i said restorefreedom Sep 2015 #71

i agree with you for the most part. retrowire Sep 2015 #72

good op, yours restorefreedom Sep 2015 #79

Bernie bernie bernie!!! woooo! n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #82

woot woot!! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #89

Yup hifiguy Sep 2015 #188

Or maybe the establishment corporatists refuse to cede the field. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #81

i do believe that is why restorefreedom Sep 2015 #91

'Cause the players tried to take the field Mnpaul Sep 2015 #248

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #86

Bwhahahaha! zappaman Sep 2015 #92

nice to see substantive discussion restorefreedom Sep 2015 #134

Maybe we can also debate the existence of unicorns zappaman Sep 2015 #187

I wish I could.... daleanime Sep 2015 #96

no worries restorefreedom Sep 2015 #119

They sure don't act like they want to win. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #98

I disagree Fumesucker Sep 2015 #102

^^this^^ HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #106

Thread winner! RiverLover Sep 2015 #111

thats fair. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #117

Pretty much that Scootaloo Sep 2015 #310

I have a hard time believing crystal dawn Sep 2015 #104

they might want HILLARY to win restorefreedom Sep 2015 #108

The Dem strategy crystal dawn Sep 2015 #122

hillary is nothing like bernie policy wise restorefreedom Sep 2015 #141

Then you must be completely ignoring Hillary's campaign. crystal dawn Sep 2015 #169

There is a big difference. Bernie's campaign azmom Sep 2015 #172

Another meme crystal dawn Sep 2015 #175

the "meme" would stop if Ds stopped being Wall Street's little dancing poodles at every MisterP Sep 2015 #225

amen to that. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #234

Translation: Please provide solid evidence to counter my simple speculation. FSogol Sep 2015 #107

in what way restorefreedom Sep 2015 #114

DWS and the DNC are doing a poor job*. They aren't trying to lose. FSogol Sep 2015 #137

that is a good analysis restorefreedom Sep 2015 #144

If that's true, it was a pretty incompetent move on Hillary's part to come out and say Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #258

True. They would rather have a Republican corporatist in the White House than a liberal Democrat. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #109

It certainly looks like that. fbc Sep 2015 #128

When your leading candidate has a madville Sep 2015 #110

Republicans are doing a good job fooling you Eatacig Sep 2015 #118

i am "pushing" for bernie restorefreedom Sep 2015 #127

Have you ever been involvled in actual party politics, SheilaT Sep 2015 #120

i am prepared to accept the possibility restorefreedom Sep 2015 #129

They do live in a bubble. SheilaT Sep 2015 #136

if that is the case restorefreedom Sep 2015 #147

Your remarks are Spot On!,,All Bernie has to do to win laserhaas Sep 2015 #124

that would be amazing! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #130

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #125

thx uncle joe. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #131

You might want to share your findings with Nate Silver Gothmog Sep 2015 #126

naaahhh restorefreedom Sep 2015 #132

DWS is no liberal. zomgitsjesus Sep 2015 #133

"I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat." ~ Will Rogers Garrett78 Sep 2015 #139

if that is the case restorefreedom Sep 2015 #142

On far too many non-social issues... Garrett78 Sep 2015 #161

Good grief Gman Sep 2015 #140

no, not die restorefreedom Sep 2015 #146

No flame from me. And one though the scandals that jwirr Sep 2015 #143

the wh is their prize for sure restorefreedom Sep 2015 #149

Yeah that last does scare me also. But I think they jwirr Sep 2015 #164

bernie is resonating with the voters restorefreedom Sep 2015 #203

You make sense. Your argument is plausible enough senz Sep 2015 #151

great points restorefreedom Sep 2015 #155

The only way we lose the election is destroying the candidate with the best chance to win with Hoyt Sep 2015 #152

so if bernie or omalley get the nom restorefreedom Sep 2015 #158

Yes. Do you think the Democratic "machinery" is going to sit out the race and Hoyt Sep 2015 #171

when i see dws come out hard for bernie restorefreedom Sep 2015 #205

The party leadership should act in best interest of the party, not your annointed one. Hoyt Sep 2015 #230

The best interest of the party restorefreedom Sep 2015 #232

Well, I don't think Sanders is a membrr of the party, yet it is very accomodating of him. Hoyt Sep 2015 #244

he fully supports dems restorefreedom Sep 2015 #245

When I see them talking about finding a 'white knight' to 'save' the party from having to nominate Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #261

sadly, i agree. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #263

Where have "they" talked about that? Hoyt Sep 2015 #279

The DNC loves the DNC, not America. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #153

amen to that.nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #156

C'mon. Nobody wants to lose an election, except maybe the tea partiers redstateblues Sep 2015 #163

Regarding the debates - the Democrats have time Matariki Sep 2015 #166

The problem for corporate Dems is that as things continue to unravel, less "escape" is possible villager Sep 2015 #176

I believer Debbie's thinking goes somewhat like this: Maedhros Sep 2015 #177

it makes sense restorefreedom Sep 2015 #207

What's so ultimately stupid is the pro-Hillary argument runs like this: Maedhros Sep 2015 #224

very well said. no reason at all. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #228

One of the problems with that tactic is that if you spend a lot of time looking winter is coming Sep 2015 #238

Oh, there are many problems with the tactic. Maedhros Sep 2015 #240

Can't argue with your assessment! The empressof all Sep 2015 #239

More Bernie hot air.. Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #180

Victim Mentality runs rampant redstateblues Sep 2015 #272

Just to review: the Democratic President WANTS his Party to lose... brooklynite Sep 2015 #190

if he knows the party leadership restorefreedom Sep 2015 #208

DWS sucks. And we need more debates. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #191

how does she not see restorefreedom Sep 2015 #210

This is someone who teamed up w/ Sheldon Adelson to ensure FL would keep arresting sick pot smokers Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #214

you're right, sigh..... nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #215

CNN draws 22.9 million for GOP debate RiverLover Sep 2015 #192

They would rather have Trump than Bernie, any day. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #200

I think people of color are gonna have to get this done underthematrix Sep 2015 #204

the media is dying for clinton v bush restorefreedom Sep 2015 #211

You know, I can't tell who the DEM nominee is gonna be underthematrix Sep 2015 #222

PoC will be a factor, an important voice, LWolf Sep 2015 #276

I believe (also) that Debbie is going to kill us. A lot of Elections are won by a fairly small... BlueJazz Sep 2015 #209

not only that restorefreedom Sep 2015 #212

Not only that.... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #330

they've thrown Senate races, and would throw all three branches as long as it meant MisterP Sep 2015 #216

I think they want to win but only with an establishment pol and TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #227

Please don't pretend to be evidence based. You ignore facts that don't agree with your outlook. Persondem Sep 2015 #249

your memes are played restorefreedom Sep 2015 #262

You just don't get it ... Sanders CAN'T win a general election. Persondem Sep 2015 #282

you don't think hillary has baggage?? restorefreedom Sep 2015 #283

Sure, I'll gladly admit HRC has baggage, but it's not like the 16 tons of lead Persondem Sep 2015 #363

its all chaff restorefreedom Sep 2015 #367

Tell that to John Kerry. Swiftboat victim over made up BS. Persondem Sep 2015 #369

i do not believe thats why he lost restorefreedom Sep 2015 #370

Don't go overboard with the crazy talk brooklynite Sep 2015 #251

fine. i have plenty of other things to do restorefreedom Sep 2015 #264

I'd like to take you point-by-point customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #253

some very good points. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #266

Thank you customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #357

thank you as well. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #368

BREAKING: Bernie Sanders to register as a Democrat brooklynite Sep 2015 #256

save it restorefreedom Sep 2015 #265

This is the second time that I have seen you trumpeting that Bernie Sanders Aerows Sep 2015 #277

maybe #3? nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #281

rachel just nailed it restorefreedom Sep 2015 #260

For an "evidence-based person" ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #267

If Bernie Sanders is nominated, I (and my "fat cat" friends) will work like hell to get him elected. brooklynite Sep 2015 #268

well that is good to hear restorefreedom Sep 2015 #270

"Difficulty" is putting it mildly. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #271

same for me and my evil, centrist, moderate friends redstateblues Sep 2015 #274

i never said hillary supporters want to lose restorefreedom Sep 2015 #269

As I appreciate your thoughtful response ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #278

the socialist meme works for you guys restorefreedom Sep 2015 #280

Sorry, I keep forgetting ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #287

i actually don't think most of that matters restorefreedom Sep 2015 #288

The fact is ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #292

as with many things...... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #294

In 2014, the non-voting population was 63% of those eligible eridani Sep 2015 #365

I cannot recommend this enough mcar Sep 2015 #356

Thanks, mcar. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #359

Great post Nance. We can elect a nominee in the DNC who hopefully win the GE or we can Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #358

Exactly. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #360

The lesser would be a Republican getting elected and we would receive lesser. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #361

Well, you've undoubtedly seen ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #362

Dems who support Sanders would mostly support Clinton. The ones who will never support Clinton are- eridani Sep 2015 #366

Interesting theory. I'm not going to flame you, but PatrickforO Sep 2015 #289

i think you spelled it out quite well. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #293

That does sound sad. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #304

ok, i'll be at the windmill... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #316

I have read this thread for hours and came back again. Prairiegale Sep 2015 #373

i was pleasantly surprised restorefreedom Sep 2015 #374

As a progressive I think Prairiegale Sep 2015 #375

i am hopeful again too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #376

Umm... you do know that Hillary is way ahead in national polls right? taught_me_patience Sep 2015 #290

the trendlines are not in her favor restorefreedom Sep 2015 #295

If they succeed in cramming Clinton down our throats... 99Forever Sep 2015 #291

Hillary thought being liberal on social issues was all she needed to do to win the primary. jalan48 Sep 2015 #296

Regardless which political party "wins" wundermaus Sep 2015 #300

the kennedys restorefreedom Sep 2015 #315

John Kennedy was so ahead of his time he had a Republican head the Department Of Defense... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #328

No flaming here. I said something similar myself, that sometimes it almost looks sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #301

hard to believe, restorefreedom Sep 2015 #314

It's like 1968. Ken Burch Sep 2015 #305

Don't agree that Clinton can't beat a Republican--they are all really, really shitty eridani Sep 2015 #306

Clinton can't GOTV. She's not revving people up. For ex~ RiverLover Sep 2015 #312

the people outside the normal Democratic circles ibegurpard Sep 2015 #320

yes, its the restorefreedom Sep 2015 #313

it has been a disastrous electoral strategy ibegurpard Sep 2015 #321

Likely that the conservative interests in the Democratic party would rather NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #318

In the USPS we face this every day PATRICK Sep 2015 #323

It's really nice to hear concern for our grand old USPS, Patrick. Hortensis Sep 2015 #332

Imo, it is self interest PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #355

DNC/DWS is ignoring the "Victory Task Force" report findings Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #325

That's certainly deliberate. Nt HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #331

Exactly! They can't assert ignorance following the task force report findings Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #336

More a matter of willing to accept greater risks, if they stand to gain more Babel_17 Sep 2015 #327

Very same thought crossed my mind earlier today. We are no longer dems vs repubs corkhead Sep 2015 #329

... Faux pas Sep 2015 #334

... SidDithers Sep 2015 #339

The Dem establishment is destoying the Democratic party. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #343

Don't know if Dem Establishment is trying to lose, but sure not trying to WIN Dems to Win Sep 2015 #346

I came to Democratic Underground olddots Sep 2015 #347

Nah, they just insist on not losing it and getting a democratic socialist president HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #372