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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I can show every Hillary supporter why they should be supporting Bernie [View all]Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)68. No, Bernie, guns are not 'different' in Vermont
This gun massacre of four people happened not two months ago in Vermont:
Suspect in death of Vermont social worker was laughing: records
BARRE, Vt. The Vermont woman charged with killing a social worker because she was upset about losing custody of her 9-year-old daughter was "calm and laughing" as police arrived on the scene minutes after the shooting, according to court records released Monday.
Jody Herring, 40, pleaded not guilty in Vermont Superior Court on Monday and was ordered held without bail. She was arrested Friday following the death of Lara Sobel who police say was shot twice in the head including once when she was already on the ground as she exited the Barre office building that houses the regional office of the state Department for Children and Families that afternoon.
Police also believe that before shooting 48-year-old Sobel, Herring shot and killed her own two cousins and an aunt in the neighboring town of Berlin. Charges have not been filed in connection with the deaths of Regina Herring, 43, and Rhonda Herring, 48, the suspect's cousins; and Julianne Falzarano, 73, an aunt.
In an affidavit, police officers said Washington County State's Attorney Scott Williams heard the shots and when he got to the scene, he saw Herring standing near Sobel's body still holding the .270-caliber hunting rifle. Williams was able to get the gun from her and he and bystanders subdued her.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hundreds-gather-to-remember-slain-vermont-social-worker/ar-BBlzQ1y
Plenty of human deaths when hunters use guns, too. If it's hunting season, it's time for a tragic accident story of a 12 year old shooting his brother.
IMHO, some number of intentional murders are written off as tragic hunting accidents in rural areas. And it has always been that way.
I'm a Bernie supporter in spite of his stance on guns. Also in spite of his vote in favor of the Afghanistan/drone endless war. No candidate is perfect.
I was a very active supporter of gun control after SandyHook, and have concluded that it's a hopeless cause. The 2nd amendment prevents any effective action, and hell will freeze over before the majority of Americans will be willing to give it up. As long as there's a USA, it will be awash in guns and gun deaths.
So, I sadly believe that a candidate's position on gun control isn't very important. The majority of Americans really do love their guns and gun rights more than they love their neighbors' children. And, of course, gun owners believe that their own children are protected by their own guns, so they won't even recognize the reality that they are acting as if they love their own guns more than their own children, given the stats of safety of children in homes with guns.
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I can show every Hillary supporter why they should be supporting Bernie [View all]
pinebox
Oct 2015
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Good Luck Supporting An Establishment Candidate In An Age Of Anti-Establishment Sentiment
cantbeserious
Oct 2015
#2
Guess One Does Not Follow The Sentiments Of Young Voters - Ignore Them At Your Own Peril
cantbeserious
Oct 2015
#26
Let me guess. You will support the candidate with the most money. I would ask why but doubt I'd get
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#91
I think 3. We've raised a couple of generations with too many authoritarians.
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#110
People have different opinions about things sometimes. I doubt that a bunch of misleading
DanTex
Oct 2015
#3
Yup. That's what you get when you divide the total from financial employees by the total she raised
DanTex
Oct 2015
#66
I have read your post where you mention the gun industries have special immunity from being sued
A Simple Game
Oct 2015
#71
Wow, good for Bernie, that law ended a very discriminatory practice of suing gun
A Simple Game
Oct 2015
#76
They are changing many of them. Why do you think that a virtually unknown Senator
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#102
I doubt that. People who support Bernie do it because of his message, not because of some dumb
DanTex
Oct 2015
#103
It's already changing. You can join the revolution or remain part of the problem.
cui bono
Oct 2015
#84
Speaking of cherry picking... That article cherry picks charts that ignore number of donors...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#14
You also realize that the union membership have been rejecting their leaders' "union endorsements"..
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#37
Well, that shows a history of how the two candidates have been funded. How about this present one
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#86
Again, that pie chart only shows undefined % - are those % of total donations or % of total donors?
George II
Oct 2015
#90
Read it. It was written in July. She already announced support for "the other half".
BlueWaveDem
Oct 2015
#30
If she's not against TPP, her stance "against KXL", amongst others are MEANINGLESS propaganda...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#39
But Sanders is a democratic socialist. And that was used against Obama and he won.
cui bono
Oct 2015
#36
Hillary and Bush - McCandidates manufactured just for you in carefully controlled environments...
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#32
What's the point in wasting time arguing with someone who writes, "There is literally NO reason to
Metric System
Oct 2015
#67
I get the sense that you do not know what thin air at higher altitudes actually means.
JoePhilly
Oct 2015
#106
I did not see anything about the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000, this was a big
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#55
Bush already had bill to go to war, AUMF which only had ONE no vote, Barbara Lee.
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#104
STOP ATTACKING HILLARY!!!!!.... with actual facts that point our her shortcomings....
Indepatriot
Oct 2015
#60
When someone starts from that position, there's no point in arguing with them.
Metric System
Oct 2015
#81