2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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10. Bigtree, liberal and progressive have well established meanings.

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:15 PM

Oct 2015

People need to learn what they are and use them correctly. The reason many liberals are using "progressive" is that the right wing redefined "liberal" into a dirty word in the 1980s by using mass-market advertising techniques. You guys are running the enemy's ball toward their goal.

We should all wear "liberal" proudly -- those of us who are actually liberals of course. It was the ideology of our founding fathers, after all, and is embedded in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. Our liberal roots and overall liberal direction since that time are the reasons we are an advanced nation, in spite of continual conservative pressure to return to pre- Enlightenment thinking.

"When words lose their meaning, peoples lose their liberty." Confucius (This kind of manipulation of language is what he meant. Obviously, it's been going on a long time.)

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Martin O'Malley's Comprehensive, Progressive Trade Policy [View all] bigtree Oct 2015 OP

Good for O'Malley! Hopefully putting this out there will help focus Hortensis Oct 2015 #1

there was a lot of talk before the campaigns began about the need for progressive challenges bigtree Oct 2015 #3

Bigtree, remember, O'Malley is FREE to challenge. Since he's a Democrat, Hortensis Oct 2015 #5

I understand that folks can't be aware of his every effort bigtree Oct 2015 #6

Well, hers is a third, after all. Remember, progressivism refers Hortensis Oct 2015 #7

maybe progressives need a new label bigtree Oct 2015 #8

Bigtree, liberal and progressive have well established meanings. Hortensis Oct 2015 #10

the term certainly did evolve from liberalism, for whatever reason bigtree Oct 2015 #11

Sorry, charlie. I'm a progressive liberal, just like generations of Hortensis Oct 2015 #12

well, we really differentiate ourselves by the views and positions we hold and promote bigtree Oct 2015 #13

My FIL was a progressive conservative Republican (the "conservative" Hortensis Oct 2015 #14

no one is 'hijacking' the term bigtree Oct 2015 #15

Honest Answer Armstead Oct 2015 #22

tell me though bigtree Oct 2015 #23

I've seen him...It's been limited but... Armstead Oct 2015 #24

K & R. n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #2

This is excellent artislife Oct 2015 #4

This is an incredible plan. Thanks for sharing. askew Oct 2015 #9

'detailed' is his O'M in this campaign bigtree Oct 2015 #16

sorry ass response to these excellent proposals bigtree Oct 2015 #17

Clearly, politics. elleng Oct 2015 #19

it's hard to accept there are so few here willing to post about O'Malley bigtree Oct 2015 #20

I agree, it IS hard to accept, bigtree, elleng Oct 2015 #30

Supporters of other candidates here are so unsure of their candidate that FSogol Oct 2015 #25

Okay, part of the problem is skepticism against these elephantine "free trade" agreements Armstead Oct 2015 #26

I think addressing the 'new baroque frameworks' is central to changing the corrupting process bigtree Oct 2015 #27

Anything that focuses and CLARIFIES trade policy and agreements is good Armstead Oct 2015 #28

I'll give you that, Armstead, elleng Oct 2015 #31

'As president, Governor O’Malley will support free trade agreements—but only elleng Oct 2015 #18

—trade can open new markets for U.S. businesses, lift standards for workers in developing countries, bigtree Oct 2015 #21

So right, elleng Oct 2015 #32

Hurray for real, lifelong progressive Democrats! McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #29

IMAGINE THAT! elleng Oct 2015 #33

KICK elleng Oct 2015 #34