2016 Postmortem

gregcrawford

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58. Trying to make comparisons...

Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:22 PM

Oct 2015

... between one "time" and another isn't the point, Janey, and the future cannot be part of the discussion for obvious reasons. The problems we face transcend such distinctions as "US history". We know more now, and with that knowledge comes commensurate responsibility, and most of our elected officials, and the billionaires that own them, are not living up to that responsibility; not even close.

We are, in fact, at the most critical time in all of human history, and obscene betrayals like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, for instance, will cost us more than any corporatist or politician has any right to expect us to pay. Those who are willing to let them get away with what are literally crimes against humanity deserve whatever fate befalls them. The rest of us do not.

I'm with WillyT. I've had enough.

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I'll Ask It Again... While Avoiding Tender Feelings... Because I Really Want To Know... [View all] WillyT Oct 2015 OP

i would like to know too restorefreedom Oct 2015 #1

My question back is who thinks voting would "make this country any better"? uppityperson Oct 2015 #2

First off, our Constitution makes us self-governing. senz Oct 2015 #102

That would make an excellent OP. merrily Oct 2015 #107

Do not mistake what I wrote for not voting as that is in no way what I meant uppityperson Oct 2015 #121

Is not voting better? zappaman Oct 2015 #3

I Did Not Say ANYTHING About Not Voting... WillyT Oct 2015 #6

I didn't say you did. zappaman Oct 2015 #10

Yes you did.... daleanime Oct 2015 #51

Do non sequiturs order pizza? demwing Oct 2015 #34

Yes. zappaman Oct 2015 #41

Here's another..... daleanime Oct 2015 #53

Did Bernie work to help elect various Democrats? senz Oct 2015 #103

The DNC would not allow him to run for the Dem nomination unless he is a Democrat. merrily Oct 2015 #110

Yes, I know about Bernie's decision to run as a Democrat senz Oct 2015 #124

Bernie a Democrat. Please see Reply 110, including the OP I liinked in 110. merrily Oct 2015 #111

he's a democratic socialist, passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #57

+1. The Democratic Socialists OUGHT to be one of America's main political parties. Old Crow Oct 2015 #66

Working within the Dem Party is one of its current tenets. merrily Oct 2015 #112

Hm... did Hillary lie about sniper fire? cui bono Oct 2015 #70

Hm...did Bernie lie about who the mother of his middle-aged, full-grown child was? MADem Oct 2015 #98

the important part is questionseverything Oct 2015 #119

Not if his intentions Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #80

Yes, Sanders is a Democrat. By deeds, he is a Democrat. demwing Oct 2015 #85

Well you don't understand what a hypocrite is then zeemike Oct 2015 #86

Doesn't stump me. Yes, he is now. Duh. Would you rather he run third party, as did Nader? merrily Oct 2015 #109

I think the country is better off now than any time in US history. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #4

Seriously??? Wow! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #39

Depends a lot on your point of view Fumesucker Oct 2015 #43

Give me a better time in US history. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #50

Trying to make comparisons... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #58

Right, but there is a legislative process that is used to enforce any policy. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #77

Before the Europeans showed up. nt valerief Oct 2015 #60

So, no U.S., then. shenmue Oct 2015 #65

You don't like microscopes and contact lenses and eyeglasses and books and ball point pens JDPriestly Oct 2015 #82

I am not a big Euro fan either nolabels Oct 2015 #95

You are kidding. 840high Oct 2015 #44

Name a better time. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #49

So don't answer if you're a straight white male.... daleanime Oct 2015 #55

what problems do you have that minorities and women don't have JI7 Oct 2015 #73

So that's a yes.... daleanime Oct 2015 #75

i'm a different poster. you are the one that brought up problems of white males JI7 Oct 2015 #78

Your a different poster? That explains the different name.... daleanime Oct 2015 #83

you implied that the poster said your problems didn't matter JI7 Oct 2015 #87

No, I inquired if straight white males were allowed to answer...... daleanime Oct 2015 #94

see, you keep trying to imply others are dismissing you for being a white male JI7 Oct 2015 #96

You're welcome... daleanime Oct 2015 #116

You can answer as a straight white male mythology Oct 2015 #84

Thank you..... daleanime Oct 2015 #91

Actually, Bu$h was busy doing all sorts of crazy bad stuff in early 2001 Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #106

Locally owned businesses, affordable schools, strong unions, living wages, a real middle class, senz Oct 2015 #104

Then you should go back further than the Reagan presidency in history. cui bono Oct 2015 #71

Here is a link to an article on where the U.S. stands on the Soclal Progress Index CentralMass Oct 2015 #79

If you are in the top 10% there is no doubt that it is true, zeemike Oct 2015 #89

It's pretty simple, Willy. Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #5

So... Voting For Someone Who Stands By Their Convitions And Tells The Truth Is An After Thought ??? WillyT Oct 2015 #9

There are Tea Bagger who stand by their convictions and tell the truth as they know it. Buzz cook Oct 2015 #33

So... We're All In Agreement... We Will Vote For The Clever Liar... WillyT Oct 2015 #36

Idealism does not equal accomplishment Renew Deal Oct 2015 #38

Neither does pragmatism Fumesucker Oct 2015 #45

+1 Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #25

... zappaman Oct 2015 #28

Ha~ nt sheshe2 Oct 2015 #72

If I thought you really wanted to know, MineralMan Oct 2015 #7

Ah... The DU Voice Of "Reason"... WillyT Oct 2015 #22

Just a voice on DU, Willy... MineralMan Oct 2015 #24

I can only say this: sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #8

I am not an insider smilingwen Oct 2015 #11

Nice post! Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #113

I'll go with the "Agreed Upon Lie." KoKo Oct 2015 #12

Damn, I had to get up and dance to that song! Haven't heard it in eons. Thanks! nt valerief Oct 2015 #64

Have you ever heard of participating in your local Skidmore Oct 2015 #13

Oh... I Live In Sacramento.... I've Been To Many Dem Conventions... WillyT Oct 2015 #16

When you say you have been to conventions, MineralMan Oct 2015 #27

No... Never As A Delegate... Just As A Fly On The Wall... WillyT Oct 2015 #30

I remember posts from you about how your Dad was on State Commissions in CA and a media Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #56

Hell, that's one faux- folksy and informative post, LOL. bettyellen Oct 2015 #92

it certainly does explain a lot JI7 Oct 2015 #99

Hell, since BBQing with Bushes has been such an issue here.... bettyellen Oct 2015 #101

That *is* fascinating, isn't it? Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #114

The OP missed a whole lot of opportunities to chime in "Me too" when BBQing /w Bush pics were posted bettyellen Oct 2015 #120

Um, he evolved?? randome Oct 2015 #122

Democratic Central Committees aren't any different. onecaliberal Oct 2015 #40

It evolved into what it is today Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #14

you may be missing something, Willy. grasswire Oct 2015 #15

I Don't Give One Crap Why A DUer Votes The Way They Do... I Care About How The... WillyT Oct 2015 #19

You don't vote to make the country better. You vote to keep it from getting worse. Yavin4 Oct 2015 #17

And Therein Lies The Rub... Who Has There Better Band-Aide... WillyT Oct 2015 #23

Depends on your perspective Yavin4 Oct 2015 #118

It only makes the country better for the people at the top (all parties). BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #18

Sometime you gotta get out to get in, meaning, ucrdem Oct 2015 #20

Sorry, I have a lot of friends sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #31

I've met a few anti-Obama ex-pats but that's about it. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #48

Willy, the O'Jays have the answer hifiguy Oct 2015 #21

Amazing Two "O'Jay's" Video posts in same thread........ KoKo Oct 2015 #35

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #26

i assume this is about Clinton but whoever it's about if you don't want to vote for HEr don't vote JI7 Oct 2015 #29

Face it T LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #32

Zombie Apocalypse......"Zombie Fads Peak When People Are Unhappy" KoKo Oct 2015 #37

Gory Allegory! LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #42

+1,000... haikugal Oct 2015 #68

The aim is to beat the other side. Not lose in a noble cause. pnwmom Oct 2015 #46

That is exactly it. So much wisdom in so few words. oasis Oct 2015 #105

They MAIN lie is the ONLY alternative to rampant Capitalism is Soviet Style Communism. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #47

As Bill Maher said or Real Time this week: "you wouldn't want a President who wasn't calculating applegrove Oct 2015 #52

TELL it, Willy! YES! gregcrawford Oct 2015 #54

Here's a tip: To vote or not to vote, that is your answer. leftofcool Oct 2015 #59

Just follow the money. floriduck Oct 2015 #61

If you want to know how the US system works, read BainsBane Oct 2015 #62

I swear to you... retrowire Oct 2015 #63

You didn't avoid jack shit shenmue Oct 2015 #67

We are where today we are because: DrBulldog Oct 2015 #69

or you can just as well Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #90

Money, and it doesn't. Fearless Oct 2015 #74

We Are Where We Are Today Because We Do Not Have The Courage To Vote Our Convictions cantbeserious Oct 2015 #76

Thanks, WillyT! I am done playing the game. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #81

SNL made DWS fadedrose Oct 2015 #88

J too vote for the agreed upon lie zeemike Oct 2015 #93

As to a reply to your question, why do think we are here anyway? nolabels Oct 2015 #97

silly question. GWBush destroyed the "both parties are the same" idea and therefore... uhnope Oct 2015 #100

First, go read the constitution. joshcryer Oct 2015 #108

Answer: Donald Trump, Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, etc. Squinch Oct 2015 #115

Voting since 1974 and you just realized now that everybody lies? randome Oct 2015 #117

!..... KoKo Oct 2015 #123