2016 Postmortem

Juicy_Bellows

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202. Fair enough.

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:57 PM

Dec 2015

However, consider this:

They run with the sniper fire clip - like all over the place - so many people have no idea about this gaffe. Is it trite? Sure, would it be effective? I would think so. That's public knowledge that first came to mind, there are other examples.

I also think that they have some dirt that they haven't used. Benghazi was just a bunch of hooey, ginned up by the little league. The wizards behind the curtain of the GOP have some heavy guns in waiting. A smart person wouldn't use their coup-de-grace prematurely - she didn't make it to the general in 2008, they sat on it. Never underestimate your enemies.

Sanders benefits from being pretty much an open book - does he have some targets? Sure, but HRC has got way too many - the party would be wise to make sure we don't 'float up a duck' so to speak.

I have my theories on why the party doesn't want Sanders anywhere near the nomination but that is a whole different enchilada.

Thanks for the civil discourse - it's kind of a rare thing lately.

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Sanders says hes on verge of pulling off major political upset [View all] FreakinDJ Dec 2015 OP

"IF" is the important quote here. FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #1

Really just Iowa/NH, national polling doesn't really matter right now pengu Dec 2015 #13

IF VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #22

IF cosmicone Dec 2015 #101

then Bob's your Uncle! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #103

he who laughs last laughs best. go bernie. :D roguevalley Dec 2015 #133

Yeah and boy howdy do I LOVE VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #134

Why? Her laugh makes me cringe! Fawke Em Dec 2015 #192

Haunted House's use it at Holloween. bahrbearian Dec 2015 #206

oh my! Hiraeth Dec 2015 #212

And PLEASE.... Plucketeer Dec 2015 #216

I especially enjoyed her laugh when Hill was talking about killing that Libyan guy! ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #225

I will love it even more... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #230

I hope you are wrong in your belief that Clinton will be president ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #235

You can hope she loses all you want... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #236

welfare "reform", mass incarceration, Glass -Steagall repeal, - supported by Hillary and ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #237

really now? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #238

I'm impressed. you're a really fast! ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #239

Yes I am.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #240

so what's a self-respecting democrat? still not seeing an answer. ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #241

Can't stand her laugh. Worse than chalk 840high Dec 2015 #226

And if you'd have had floriduck Dec 2015 #158

Book it, Danno.nm floriduck Dec 2015 #156

Bernie Sanders is doing much better on the favorabilty question INdemo Dec 2015 #51

Another H.A. Goodman prediction. ha ha. He reminds me of baghdad bob. riversedge Dec 2015 #98

Did you read the article? INdemo Dec 2015 #104

Of course not. Phlem Dec 2015 #143

Yep you are correct INdemo Dec 2015 #159

Of course not. They like to pretend the author has no credibility because he changed his mind once. Bubzer Dec 2015 #144

Both Iowa and New Hampshire are not representative demographically of key Democratic states Gothmog Dec 2015 #183

He'll go splat okasha Dec 2015 #220

Bernie is the real deal madokie Dec 2015 #2

"Real deal" is a perfectly meaningless phrase. okasha Dec 2015 #222

"...perfectly meaningless"? chervilant Dec 2015 #229

If he does he STILL won't have a clear path through South Carolina, where Hillary is ahead pnwmom Dec 2015 #3

If he does they won't be able to black him out anymore AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #58

They won't be skyrocketing once the GOP starts the new birther story. pnwmom Dec 2015 #60

Nobody cares what they say AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #65

yeah right. His supporters are always arguing that he'll get more votes from pnwmom Dec 2015 #68

Republicans preach to their idiotic choir AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #70

I think moderate Republican women, in the Susan Collins mold, pnwmom Dec 2015 #72

She will garner very few crossover votes AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #75

The baby boomer women I know are excited about her pnwmom Dec 2015 #77

Baby boomers are old people AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #80

People 50 and older are solid voters, unlike millennials. pnwmom Dec 2015 #84

Well then you just hang your hopes on that sliver of demographic AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #90

Yeah, and you can keep hoping those gun-toting Independents pnwmom Dec 2015 #92

I see how ya'll operate. Phlem Dec 2015 #145

Right. But the OP doesn't "shove the Bern in everyone's face" ? pnwmom Dec 2015 #165

Oh Noes!!!! Phlem Dec 2015 #169

Right, Independents are gun toting minutemen AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #207

"Meanwhile the rest of the planet will vote Sanders" NCTraveler Dec 2015 #124

Ahhh Phlem Dec 2015 #146

Excuse me, without the younger voters (any demo less than 44), we would have Pres. Romney JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #117

Dems need all the demographics to win. wildeyed Dec 2015 #122

You are just as responsible for your demographic not voting pnwmom Dec 2015 #168

Younger voters might not vote as reliably, but older voters who do are more reliably GOP JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #174

Do you not see that if enough over 50's didn't vote for Obama pnwmom Dec 2015 #178

Of course I see that. But you are casting younger voters as unreliable. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #184

No, that they have a history of not voting in high numbers. pnwmom Dec 2015 #186

61+, white female, college educated, Karma13612 Dec 2015 #214

Baby boomer woman snpsmom Dec 2015 #102

Same here. Any others around here? libdem4life Dec 2015 #128

Here. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #139

Roger Wilco... bullsnarfle Dec 2015 #140

Me, too. Age 65. Feeling the Bern. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #200

Here n/t Michigan-Arizona Dec 2015 #204

Here. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #215

Over-50 female here ... Autumn Colors Dec 2015 #136

It's the "Shoulder Pad" crowd floriduck Dec 2015 #161

Do you know any? wildeyed Dec 2015 #121

I don't suppose it would help matters to point out that Sanders is a SINO (Socialist KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #152

Not to my MIL. wildeyed Dec 2015 #180

I'm over 70 and female. Paka Dec 2015 #203

Sorry, they will vote for Carly Fiorina. At least the ones I know have told me so. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #213

Fiorina has almost zero chance of being the nominee. So then what? nt pnwmom Dec 2015 #217

They will hold their nose and vote for the GOP nominee is my guess but, I will ask them Hiraeth Dec 2015 #219

20% of Republicans are going to vote for a socialist? mythology Dec 2015 #126

Watch Sanders speech at Liberty U AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #208

Sanders would get virtually no cross over support from GOP Gothmog Dec 2015 #185

False. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #193

Do you have a reliable link for this claim? Gothmog Dec 2015 #194

25% of the Republican vote in Vermont. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #227

related Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #228

Focused upon the big picture (defeating the GOP), Sanders is the better choice because sorechasm Dec 2015 #4

National polls showing who's beating who this far out are meaningless. upaloopa Dec 2015 #6

"Socialist raise taxes for free stuff" MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #10

He's not going to raise taxes? He's not a Socialist? upaloopa Dec 2015 #24

Those Commies want free defense, police, firefighting, sewers, roads... MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #42

Roads are paid for with the gas tax. I get a water/sewer bill every month redstateblues Dec 2015 #108

The gas tax doesn't even come close to paying for roads.. Kentonio Dec 2015 #110

Finally, someone to make the 1% accountable by using a small transaction tax on Wall DhhD Dec 2015 #56

Presidents don't make tax policy. Congress does. We have a repub Congress upaloopa Dec 2015 #59

Either Dem will likely start with an uncooperative Congress. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #71

A small transaction tax on Wall street will barely begin to pay for all the things pnwmom Dec 2015 #63

It will be cheaper than what we have now AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #69

What will be cheaper? That tax won't provide nearly enough. pnwmom Dec 2015 #74

Waaaaay cheaper AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #76

delete dupe pnwmom Dec 2015 #63

Not free. Paid for. AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #61

I think you mean drink the kool-aid. Just go with the authoritarian leadership of the billionaires. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #196

His numbers for the General are better than Hillary's. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #16

Bunk.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #25

Let them try, unlike Hillary he'll proudly take them on from his well established positions.... daleanime Dec 2015 #44

Yep. he would take them on, and spend all his time . ... PosterChild Dec 2015 #209

Oh no, a politician who actually talks.... daleanime Dec 2015 #223

ideologies are not the details of governance .... PosterChild Dec 2015 #232

So the US isn't a socialist nation? daleanime Dec 2015 #233

MY concerns? No, the concerns... PosterChild Dec 2015 #242

Bunk... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #89

they have TRIED to rip her to shreds her entire career VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #93

Well that shifts the argument a bit thesquanderer Dec 2015 #99

Just like the ripped Obama apart for being a communistsocialistmuslimeamericahater. And of course, Indepatriot Dec 2015 #181

they have NEVER been extra nice to Clinton VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #187

She's still standing alright, both feet firmly planted on WALL STREET.... Indepatriot Dec 2015 #224

And soon both feet planted on Pennsyvannia Avenue! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #231

That is one of the few things you all hang your hat on. He isn't going to ever be in the upaloopa Dec 2015 #28

But you just say that you do.... daleanime Dec 2015 #46

You cannot expect me to believe that, do you? n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #55

Dude. They will say anything. Just like Republicans. Phlem Dec 2015 #149

I don't call it "Third Way," RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #175

Even better my friend. Phlem Dec 2015 #177

and who is this "Turd Way" you describe VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #188

Why not..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #189

That's largely because the GOP has completely ignored Sanders so far Orrex Dec 2015 #38

Lol @ the 'Mighty GOP' and their nonsense talking points unleashed AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #73

Keep telling yourself that, and you'll help elect the GOP candidate. Orrex Dec 2015 #79

The meanie Republicans and their stupid talking points AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #82

I'm not fearful at all. I simply accept it as reality. Orrex Dec 2015 #100

I don't see any reality in them whatsoever AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #106

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the GOP of the past three or four decades Orrex Dec 2015 #114

You'll Get A Republican Elected!!!!!! Phlem Dec 2015 #150

Poor Sanders voter, sees every challenge as a threat Orrex Dec 2015 #157

Poor Hillary voter doesn't have a clue. Phlem Dec 2015 #162

Your hostility speaks volumes. Orrex Dec 2015 #163

Ooooh I'm hostile. Phlem Dec 2015 #164

Please don't misunderstand me Orrex Dec 2015 #170

Wow! the Blah....continues. Phlem Dec 2015 #171

If you don't know how wrong you are by now, you'll never admit it. Orrex Dec 2015 #173

"If you don't know how wrong you are by now, you'll never admit it." Phlem Dec 2015 #176

It's not my job to correct your failure to understand what irony is. Orrex Dec 2015 #197

! Phlem Dec 2015 #198

automagically = good word Hiraeth Dec 2015 #218

The GOP is only 24 to 26% of the American electorate. truedelphi Dec 2015 #167

We shall see. Orrex Dec 2015 #172

I think you're level headed and make good points. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #199

That's probably true re: overall amount of dirt, but consider... Orrex Dec 2015 #201

Fair enough. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #202

You mean nonsense.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #191

"Clinton has long experience with this" is the problem. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #95

Again, I'm concerned that Sanders has no track record with this Orrex Dec 2015 #111

His relative anonymity is an *advantage* here thesquanderer Dec 2015 #119

Agreed. wildeyed Dec 2015 #123

I only see the evidence I want to see. MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #43

You sure missed it. It is about restoring democracy daybranch Dec 2015 #49

Raising taxes on the rich for Dawgs Dec 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2015 #147

Oh the Polls! Phlem Dec 2015 #148

If he becomes the nominee, the GOP won't spare him from the same relentless pnwmom Dec 2015 #26

And empty political rhetoric wildeyed Dec 2015 #120

Then Hillary is doomed! [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #129

Someone said it on the interwebs wildeyed Dec 2015 #130

Americans are sick of being fleeced MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #5

Hell the majority of Americans don't even know what an oligarch is. They care about terrorists upaloopa Dec 2015 #7

How many Americans were killed by ISIS yesterday? MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #8

Said person doesn't know how to use their head davidpdx Dec 2015 #9

Wow just Wow? Americans put terrorism at the top of the list not me. upaloopa Dec 2015 #11

Ahem, it's Kudos Proserpina Dec 2015 #12

thanks I'll make a correction upaloopa Dec 2015 #15

Yet, he made the right call on the Iraq War Resolution and the Afghanistan surge. Hillary did not. merrily Dec 2015 #14

He didn't have anything to lose. upaloopa Dec 2015 #18

Wow, so a vote for unjust war is justified if you are at risk of not being elected? Kentonio Dec 2015 #19

Bernie funded all the wars. FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #39

Only a fool votes to not fund wars America is already fighting. Kentonio Dec 2015 #50

Yep. Phlem Dec 2015 #153

As soon as Hill voted to start a floriduck Dec 2015 #166

Baloney. Having nothing to lose is not what drives Bernie or he would not have voted against DOMA. merrily Dec 2015 #37

That doesn't apply to Clinton. >50% of New York residents opposed the Iraq war. jeff47 Dec 2015 #118

Oh my God. That is chilling. mahina Dec 2015 #132

Right? merrily Dec 2015 #138

Better than having a Hawk like Hillary making decisions about foreign policy. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #17

People are scared of terrorists only because they are told to be. Truth be known A Simple Game Dec 2015 #35

! Phlem Dec 2015 #151

He does and here's the thing: he's been right about it. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #195

If he manages to win Iowa, or pull within a few points behind her, Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #20

He can't win because he can't broaden his base beyond what he has now upaloopa Dec 2015 #21

And she can't win the general, because she won't broaden her base beyond 2014 Democratic Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #23

She only needs either the same coalition Bill had or Obama had. pnwmom Dec 2015 #29

I was talking about the millennials. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #112

Bernie can't win without the minority voters who voted for Obama and Bill. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #113

I'd call that an impasse, were it not for the fact Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #115

I believe you are correct Samantha Dec 2015 #131

Especially if Il Douche is the Republican nominee nxylas Dec 2015 #33

FWIW cannabis_flower Dec 2015 #48

Same here in NC. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #94

There again do you have the facts to back up that statement? INdemo Dec 2015 #54

He can broaden his support thesquanderer Dec 2015 #88

I completely disagree. mahina Dec 2015 #179

How can he win in South Carolina where he's currently almost 50 points behind, pnwmom Dec 2015 #27

Go check out how far behind Obama was from HRC at this point in South Carolina. Go on. I'll wait. theislander Dec 2015 #78

Obama was MUCH closer to Hillary than Bernie is. 26 points behind compared to 48. pnwmom Dec 2015 #87

Of course he is Kalidurga Dec 2015 #30

good observation. lol nt retrowire Dec 2015 #32

Oh haha SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #67

Haha! Maybe the server switch was responsible for that. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #116

And yet Predictwise has Sanders at 5% of being the nominee Gothmog Dec 2015 #31

I give very little credence to those "predictor" websites. theislander Dec 2015 #81

When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Dec 2015 #34

+1 merrily Dec 2015 #40

Well that's nice. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #36

I sure as hell hope so. nt LWolf Dec 2015 #41

It wouldn't surprise me at all. Vinca Dec 2015 #45

Good for Senator Sanders. ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #47

In his dreams VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #52

Iowa, New Hampshire - New Hampshire, Iowa Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #53

Actually he has an extensive volunteer ground operation taking place all over the country Kentonio Dec 2015 #66

My state votes on March 1st, part of the Super Tuesday theislander Dec 2015 #83

Bernie!! AzDar Dec 2015 #57

Win or lose, we all and Mrs. Clinton need to hear Senator Sanders voice Sunlei Dec 2015 #85

Who's been silencing his voice? brooklynite Dec 2015 #97

This is an object lesson in trying to frame data to fit a narrative Godhumor Dec 2015 #86

Here's a big clue for you: Clinton supporters are poll-driven. Sanders supporters are not. theislander Dec 2015 #107

Just imagine a Bernie vs Donald debate Funtatlaguy Dec 2015 #91

Funny thing... brooklynite Dec 2015 #96

Voters actually LIKE Bernie Sanders. HRH? in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #105

Honesty and trustworthiness should be minimum qualifications for President! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #211

He's gonna be a huuuge winner! randome Dec 2015 #109

An accurate headline would be: wildeyed Dec 2015 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #127

He then destroyed his chances by adding, "Yeaaarrrgh!" Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #135

A major political upset is the only way he'll win. Orsino Dec 2015 #137

Go Bernie Go! SoapBox Dec 2015 #141

He is. 99Forever Dec 2015 #142

This thread is nothing but Thirdway FAIL. Phlem Dec 2015 #154

Okay, this could explain some of the current dynamics on DU. senz Dec 2015 #155

Doesn't look good for Hillary! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #160

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #182

if Bernie can get major Hillary backers to leave her for him, there may be an upset SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2015 #190

If he wins Iowa by a few points he'll get two or three more delegates than Clinton. If he wins NH. George II Dec 2015 #205

I See This Has Become The Same Older VS Younger Voter ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #210

...and needless to say, plenty of millennials will be supporting Clinton. brooklynite Dec 2015 #234

Clinton &Schultz Ruining The Party billhicks76 Dec 2015 #221