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(114,904 posts) Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:56 PM Dec 2015

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Attacking Bernie for seeking Conscientious Objector status may be the most laughable smear yet [View all]

So some veteran claims this makes him ineligible to be CiC and Hill fans, who almost surely supported Bill, chime in with hearty agreement.

Bill Clinton, mitt Romney and others actively avoided serving to avoid Vietnam.

How is it that using their privilege to avoid Vietnam didn't disqualify them them, but it disqualifies Bernie?

Is it more dishonorable to seek CO status than to use your connections to get deferments?

The hypocrisy and cogdis is stunning.

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Attacking Bernie for seeking Conscientious Objector status may be the most laughable smear yet [View all] cali Dec 2015 OP

Agreed. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #1

And is that less principled than the "bone spur" medical deferment that Trump got to avoid service? cascadiance Dec 2015 #10

Bush Sr. used his influence to keep jr out of Nam and the man who went in his place died there. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #15

Who "attacked" him? Hortensis Dec 2015 #33

Where does the poster say anything.... daleanime Dec 2015 #43

Anybody else? Who "attacked" him? Hortensis Dec 2015 #50

It's called "Google" and "research" jkbRN Dec 2015 #58

These are discussions of his background, JkbRN. Hortensis Dec 2015 #71

Calling Bernie a draft dodger is "discussion of his background"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #162

Even If True liberalmike27 Dec 2015 #226

That's it exactly. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #234

An op-ed accusing Bernie of draft dodging was posted in this forum. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #61

A post. Well, burn, DU, burn. Hortensis Dec 2015 #208

No, several posts engaging in vile right wing tactics. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #210

The usual vague accusations that others are Hortensis Dec 2015 #247

So you can get my post hidden? Not a chance. Nice try, though. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #250

FWIW, I never alert on anything. Goodbye. Hortensis Dec 2015 #254

we can't say names, but one said this AM that Sanders wasn't a CO but a "draft dodger" n/t zazen Dec 2015 #108

That wasn't nice and almost certainly was not Hortensis Dec 2015 #219

Don't forget warmonger cheney Ernesto Dec 2015 #251

Chicken hawks, they love war as long as they don't have to go. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #252

Bill Clinton deferred. not a smart move here. Hillary didn't join and bill shirked. Bernie faced it roguevalley Dec 2015 #124

Two types of people the right wing has declared war against fasttense Dec 2015 #116

And women, they are still waging war on reproductive rights. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #163

And the proletariat in general. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #192

OK, you're right the RepubliCONS have declared war on people fasttense Dec 2015 #255

Agreed. nt LWolf Dec 2015 #2

The obvious answer Runningdawg Dec 2015 #3

It's sad. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #4

Here's the rub. Why this hurts Bernie even though it shouldn't onenote Dec 2015 #18

thanks for sharing restorefreedom Dec 2015 #21

I think that is right onenote Dec 2015 #42

its not really a primary issue i agree restorefreedom Dec 2015 #80

Electability is a legitimate concern for primary voters. eom reACTIONary Dec 2015 #142

Which is why I feel good about voting for Sanders and wish everyone would do so. cui bono Dec 2015 #150

Especially given current events , ... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #248

I completely disagree with that. Hillary is the one who will lose in the general. cui bono Dec 2015 #253

I think your personal opinions and... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #256

The problem is that these "rules" tell people how they should think... cascadiance Dec 2015 #22

I certainly agree that Bernie's seeking CO status BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #37

This says it the best... Paka Dec 2015 #115

Don't forget the illustrious Dan Quayle in your roster that shall live in infamy. Daniel Ellsbeg KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #194

Thanks for the addition. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #201

Keep this in mind however SandersDem Dec 2015 #91

he voted for the afghan war, didn't he? stupidicus Dec 2015 #105

Sanders record in office shows he is not a pacifist .he rarely goes after Clinton JI7 Dec 2015 #121

Don't worry..... daleanime Dec 2015 #5

Lame attacks R-US at Camp Clinton. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #6

I wonder why the OP couldn't be specific about such "attacks". Perhaps because they haven't.... George II Dec 2015 #29

Are you accusing cali of lying? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #31

That is the person who was bragging about trying to get Cali's posts hidden HoneychildMooseMoss Dec 2015 #51

Yep, and if cali posts a link it will be alerted on as a callout. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #54

Right here on the front page of GDP and not for the first time cali Dec 2015 #41

Thank you, 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #44

I don't think anyone has seen it. As a matter of fact, when talking to and corresponding to.... George II Dec 2015 #88

This AM, a regular pro-Clinton poster said Sanders wasn't a CO but a "draft dodger" (i.e, criminal) zazen Dec 2015 #109

I see one single OP from back on September 1. None before and none since. George II Dec 2015 #46

Look. It's a thread with over 100 responses at the top of the page. cali Dec 2015 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #92

Just stop already. cui bono Dec 2015 #151

aww, how cute. cali Dec 2015 #164

Good for you for not falling into the trap. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #174

Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2015 #231

Your attempts to get my posts hidden has been noted by many cali Dec 2015 #62

"missing links" H2O Man Dec 2015 #232

Yes they did, stick a sock in it. davidpdx Dec 2015 #155

People here have used the term draft dodger to call out Republicans. iandhr Dec 2015 #7

There is a difference HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #13

Agreed iandhr Dec 2015 #19

What some call being devil's advocate others might call... um... cui bono Dec 2015 #152

Some are even implying he tried to avoid being drafted by going to a kibbutz in Israel. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #171

As someone who obtained a CO, i have no problem with those that found other ways to avoid service onenote Dec 2015 #48

Spot on. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #53

Mitt Romney satisfies the conditions spelled out in your last sentence. There are KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #195

Bill Clinton used an amazing & lengthy series of connections. Divernan Dec 2015 #118

And I say more power to him. onenote Dec 2015 #227

But NO war-making power to his faux hero wife. Divernan Dec 2015 #228

We are quick to point out hypocracy of anyone that is a war hawk but failed to go themeslves. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #113

Perfect answer! H2O Man Dec 2015 #233

but Clinton's a Devil Dog! that little Canuck can't compare! MisterP Dec 2015 #8

I admire him for it. And, as a draft counselor, during the VN war I advised people to do the same. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #9

Incredibly lame. Something I would (and do) expect from Republicans, but not Democrats. Scuba Dec 2015 #11

I actually find it strangely encouraging. winter is coming Dec 2015 #12

60 is about right. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #25

that's also why they're red-baiting: 1. Clinton's from the Kirkpatrick/Scoop Jackson wing of the MisterP Dec 2015 #27

The fact is that the "Clinton campaign" hasn't made any such attacks. George II Dec 2015 #30

And no one said it did, my dear friend. Clinton fans on DU have cali Dec 2015 #166

Has the Clinton campaign said anything about Bernie's status during Vietnam? Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #66

Reading any of your posts on this artislife Dec 2015 #125

That's your answer? Good grief. Hekate Dec 2015 #131

A Clinton supporter on DU did davidpdx Dec 2015 #156

When the Clinton camp attacks Bernie it almost always feels like a Republican attack. nt stillwaiting Dec 2015 #14

It shows how many "ex" Republicans, tax-objectors, and all around Rightwingers nest here. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #16

I see a lot of accusations in this thread that the Clinton camp has attacked Sanders on this. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #17

It's just red meat thrown out there to see the feeding frenzy on this non-existent "attack". George II Dec 2015 #32

Exactly, just the typical dramatic efforts to take things out R B Garr Dec 2015 #148

Except you claimed Bernie didn't run for president sooner because of his "draft dodger status": beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #154

Except you're just using that as an excuse to avoid R B Garr Dec 2015 #193

I have no idea. Now where's the evidence backing up your bizarre allegation? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #196

Give your reasons why Bernie didn't run for President R B Garr Dec 2015 #197

I said I don't know. Now back up your bizarre theory. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #198

Now confusion. Typical. Just yesterday.you were R B Garr Dec 2015 #203

No others are also confused by your claim, why can't you back it up? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #204

You and 'others" can answer your own questions. R B Garr Dec 2015 #209

Actually the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorist. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #211

Bernie's record isn't a conspiracy. You post about it R B Garr Dec 2015 #212

Glad to see you're admitting you made up the theory. Now you can move on. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #214

Glad to see you're not saying Bernie's record is R B Garr Dec 2015 #216

BERNIE DIDNT RUN FOR PREZ BEFORE CUZ HE'S A DRAFT DODGER! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #217

Bernie has a record. A Vietnam Vet in Iowa R B Garr Dec 2015 #218

I'm talking about your bizarre theory, the veterans I know don't have a problem with COs. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #220

Haha, cartoons and sidestepping into the main purpose, R B Garr Dec 2015 #224

Beatles songs? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #229

You declaring yourself the winner is the logical fallacy. R B Garr Dec 2015 #235

You failed to back up your claim so yes, you lost the debate. It's not a difficult concept. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #236

You have failed to answer the following: R B Garr Dec 2015 #237

Um because of his...how did you put it..."draft dodger status"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #238

Explain why Bernie didn't run for President in the R B Garr Dec 2015 #240

More logic fail and word salad. What does this mean?: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #241

Ah, the word salad straw man again. R B Garr Dec 2015 #242

Straw man? I don't think that word means what you think it means. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #243

You do realize you are basically talking to yourself. R B Garr Dec 2015 #244

It is performance art, I knew it! No one could be that logic challenged. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #245

Ah, recycling in the 'ol "logic" ditty again. R B Garr Dec 2015 #246

Two article were posted by the same person davidpdx Dec 2015 #157

Says who? Several Hillary supporters accused Bernie of being a draft dodger. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #158

It really is hilarious isn't it... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #20

Breaking News!!! Hillary and Bill are in a trial separation. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #83

This is fucking laughable. blackspade Dec 2015 #23

Is this even a fricking thing? deutsey Dec 2015 #24

Shit, Bush actively avoided actually serving in the war. lark Dec 2015 #26

Where and when has anyone attacked Sanders for being a CO? George II Dec 2015 #28

I don't think that anyone is really BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #47

Sure it is poutrage davidpdx Dec 2015 #159

Thanks, David. I love frustrating those who are trying to get me banned. cali Dec 2015 #167

Thanks for finally posting some links. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #199

Again with the laughable mischaracterizations. R B Garr Dec 2015 #34

Lol. Your mind reading skills seriously suck. cali Dec 2015 #60

Dear? Is that how you convince yourself of your R B Garr Dec 2015 #111

Do invest in a dictionary. cali Dec 2015 #168

Invest in one yourself. Look up phony baloney because R B Garr Jan 2016 #257

My question is and has been... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #35

Look at who is stirring shit.... davidpdx Dec 2015 #160

The Des Moines Register... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #165

Goodman? Wait, didn't you rec a thread linking to racist tea party website progressivestoday? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #170

Complete deflection on your part, as usual. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #172

You were discussing articles from questionable sources, weren't you? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #173

If that's your thing. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #175

If you brought it up how is it my thing? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #176

I get it. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #177

No you don't, obviously. I never said any of that. Here, let me help you: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #179

I get it. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #182

What are you on about now? Why the continued deflection? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #183

Awesome. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #184

I don't follow celebrities but I'm sure it's as important as the Kardashians' endorsement. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #186

Yes, I really like the endorsement. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #187

More deflection, well I guess that's my answer. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #188

You have yet to bring up a campaign issue here. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #189

Important campaign issues like your ops about pot smoking hippies in Vermont and draft dodgers? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #190

The dirty fucking hippies were right. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #191

Sanders has always been a man of Peace, for me that is a huge positive for a President. Sunlei Dec 2015 #36

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #38

THe more Bernie grows in this race, the greater and more diabolical the attacks will be. Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #39

Um, there's no there there. nt ucrdem Dec 2015 #40

You can't really tell much difference between hillarians and republicans any more Doctor_J Dec 2015 #45

Wow. Just wow. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #49

Absolutely. bvar22 Dec 2015 #94

Thanks. I posted a pic version of this last night. yours is more up to date. It explains, as Doctor_J Dec 2015 #98

I may have stolen your post. bvar22 Dec 2015 #100

The alert brigade tried again. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #180

Juror #6 is a real piece of work. He or she needs to bone up on his or her spelling, KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #200

That's a very damning list. Not good for the non wealthy SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #146

Yeah jkbRN Dec 2015 #52

Can someone point out such attack? RandySF Dec 2015 #55

Right on the front page of GDP. cali Dec 2015 #57

An unfortunate column from the Register along with a question RandySF Dec 2015 #65

Oh please. Don't be disingenuous cali Dec 2015 #69

Yep davidpdx Dec 2015 #161

I would not attack him for it, but the right wing would treestar Dec 2015 #59

What possible purpose did the Vietnam War serve anyway? Like Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam Enthusiast Dec 2015 #63

Well it did lead to some great music, fiction and poetry. I suppose KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #68

I'm not seeing this. Can you please provide a link to the KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #64

it's right on the front page here. cali Dec 2015 #73

Sorry, I'm just not seeing it on the Home Page or KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #103

It's in this forum and has Vietnam in the title. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #106

K&R. Duval Dec 2015 #67

I agree Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #70

He hasn't adequately explained why he has changed his mind on being a Conscientious Objector Freddie Stubbs Dec 2015 #72

I'm not sure we can assume... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #74

When it's a Hillary supporter doing it you have to wonder what they're thinking. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #75

15 month in country Vietnam Vet here madokie Dec 2015 #76

While I deeply respect the sacrifices of those who emigrated or received CO status (and alternative KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #205

Vs people who, comparatively, exhibit vanishingly little conscience. Not even a contest. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2015 #77

i'm glad i haven't seen this tishaLA Dec 2015 #78

And Hillary has no say... MellowDem Dec 2015 #79

Mope. No sexism in the Bernie Brigade. RandySF Dec 2015 #81

Im sorry you have to resort to personal smears... MellowDem Dec 2015 #85

No, it's just plain sexist RandySF Dec 2015 #86

Hmm, I think your comment is sexist... MellowDem Dec 2015 #87

Women in the US can finally fight in combat. ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #95

You call me sir? What's with the sexism bro? MellowDem Dec 2015 #140

I've seen people singing about "old white men" catnhatnh Dec 2015 #123

LOL, once again, many Bernie fans LOVE Warren. Think really hard about that! LOL. nt Logical Dec 2015 #134

Ugh. She sure as hell does have a say. cali Dec 2015 #93

It wasn't a privilege; it was a restriction. sarge43 Dec 2015 #181

I'm not angry at Hillary... MellowDem Dec 2015 #221

So is attacking Hillary for being a woman during the war RandySF Dec 2015 #82

Hillary was a woman during the war? wendylaroux Dec 2015 #127

Warrior for Peace shadowmayor Dec 2015 #84

What a lot people don't get sarge43 Dec 2015 #206

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #207

As a Vietnam combat vet, I respect conscientous objectors more daybranch Dec 2015 #89

For boomers,especially males who faced conscription Vietnam was a big deal HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #90

'pointless pissing matches' - with all due respect to your otherwise fine post, I don't KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #215

Speaking from the US perspective it was a pointless proxy war, re liberation... HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #249

In what alternate universe did that occur. Skidmore Dec 2015 #96

Geesh. Do you even bother to read a thread before you post? LInks to the relevant posts and KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #222

This is the first time I have revisited this thread since yesterday. Skidmore Dec 2015 #225

HRC's supporters should show the grace that Kerry did in 1992 when he defended her husband's Vietnam karynnj Dec 2015 #97

Bernie Is Too Old For Vietnam DallasNE Dec 2015 #99

maybe Hillary will stick up for him, like he did for her re benghazi Doctor_J Dec 2015 #101

well, they're competing for most contemptible and baseless or hypocritical smear stupidicus Dec 2015 #102

2 things: VN was a huge moral mistake and Bernie isnt a chicken hawk........... ErikJ Dec 2015 #104

The hypocrisy is expanding faster than the universe. nt valerief Dec 2015 #107

....seeing if it sticks.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #110

Exactly, and it's nonsensical on top of that. R B Garr Dec 2015 #112

Total dpatbrown Dec 2015 #114

No serious Hillary supporter is taking this line of attack Tarc Dec 2015 #117

Not unlike the attacks Bernie's supporters have mounted about the Clinton "scandals" from the '90s baldguy Dec 2015 #119

Here we go again... chervilant Dec 2015 #149

Where do you think the idea that the Clintons are corrupt & untrustworthy comes from? baldguy Dec 2015 #153

The Swarm seems to be getting desperate. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #120

Desparate for sure, this is a most uneducated and disgusting thread ever on DU! ViseGrip Dec 2015 #133

At least he had the balls to stand for something. He could have gotten multiple silvershadow Dec 2015 #122

Silly SilverShadow, don't you know that Cheney merely had 'othe priorities'? Hope KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #223

Oh that's right. Thanks for jogging my memory. I forgot the elite have the luxury of silvershadow Dec 2015 #239

It is just stupid. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #126

Bernie is the most qualified Charmingshmuck Dec 2015 #128

welcome Doctor_J Dec 2015 #138

you wanna talk about the issues? azureblue Dec 2015 #129

Who the hell from the Clinton campaign ever said that? Or who here? What a ridiculous .... Hekate Dec 2015 #130

The best excuse for not serving in the military? Tom Delay keithbvadu2 Dec 2015 #132

Being a Conscientious Objector during Vietnam just makes me like him more Stargleamer Dec 2015 #135

it's silly season Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #136

He committed the offense of being a CO, and dammit, people here will make him ANSWER for it! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #137

I don't have a problem with it gwheezie Dec 2015 #139

As a former Marine, I have the utmost respect for Bernie and have no qualms Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #141

Who was the Last President who was a Veteran? gordyfl Dec 2015 #143

Bush wasn't suspended from the Guard sarge43 Dec 2015 #169

The hypocrisy is absolutely astonishing. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #144

At least Bernie Sanders didn't make up a lie about it. bl968 Dec 2015 #145

They never, ever talk about policy AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #147

I was drafted and was sent to Vietnam. I don't care what others did to avoid the war. upaloopa Dec 2015 #178

A smear? Did he or did he not request CO status? If Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #185

*IF* Bernie were too be the nominee, the GOP would pursue this ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #202

K&R NCTraveler Dec 2015 #213

Definitely recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #230

The problem is, he has since voted for military actions Recursion Jan 2016 #258