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karynnj

(59,522 posts)
97. HRC's supporters should show the grace that Kerry did in 1992 when he defended her husband's Vietnam
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:22 PM
Dec 2015

avoidance. If it becomes an issue, Hillary Clinton personally should say that Bernie avoiding the draft - just as Bill did -- because they were against the Vietnam war is NOT a disqualifier. Kerry's words from 1992 resonate even more when they are spoken of someone like Bernie Sanders, whose entire career is consistent with his stands from the 1960s.

Back in 2008, I put John Kerry's 1992 Senate speech in a DU post when Obama's patriotism was questioned. Here from the DU2 journal:

There was a time when Bill Clinton's patriotism was challenged
Posted by karynnj in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Fri Mar 21st 2008, 04:14 PM
It was February, 1992. His challenger, a highly decorated Vietnam veteran was calling him out as a draft dodger. This had the potential of again ripping the country apart over Vietnam. Another Senator,also a highly decorated veteran, who was friend of Clinton's challenger took to the floor of the Senate to make a plea against inserting the rifts from the Vietnam War into the primary.

Here are the words said on the Senate floor in 1992:


Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I also rise today--and I want to say that I rise reluctantly, but I rise feeling driven by personal reasons of necessity--to express my very deep disappointment over yesterday's turn of events in the Democratic primary in Georgia.

I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning.

What is ignored is the way in which our experience during that period reflected in part a positive affirmation of American values and history, not simply the more obvious negatives of loss and confusion.

What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to Vietnam and those who did not.

What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.

What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of a Presidential primary.

The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam , not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.

We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we

now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?

Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, and play, as he did, to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America? Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam ?

Certainly, those who went to Vietnam suffered greatly. I have argued for years, since I returned myself in 1969, that they do deserve special affection and gratitude for service. And, indeed, I think everything I have tried to do since then has been to fight for their rights and recognition.

But while those who served are owed special recognition, that recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over this issue today, in 1992, simply does not do justice to what all of us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.

I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently pursuing the Presidency in both parties, I would plead that they simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer the myriad of social ills we have at home.

We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of our party and the good of our country. "

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There are somethings that should never be injected into an election - race, faith, patriotism ...
I wish that Bill Clinton, having been given the honor given to only 43 people in our history of being President, would have had the grace that Senator Kerry showed in 1992 when he made this obviously personal plea against an earlier version of politics of destruction.

Agreed. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #1
And is that less principled than the "bone spur" medical deferment that Trump got to avoid service? cascadiance Dec 2015 #10
Bush Sr. used his influence to keep jr out of Nam and the man who went in his place died there. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #15
Who "attacked" him? Hortensis Dec 2015 #33
Where does the poster say anything.... daleanime Dec 2015 #43
Anybody else? Who "attacked" him? Hortensis Dec 2015 #50
It's called "Google" and "research" jkbRN Dec 2015 #58
These are discussions of his background, JkbRN. Hortensis Dec 2015 #71
Calling Bernie a draft dodger is "discussion of his background"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #162
Even If True liberalmike27 Dec 2015 #226
That's it exactly. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #234
An op-ed accusing Bernie of draft dodging was posted in this forum. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #61
A post. Well, burn, DU, burn. Hortensis Dec 2015 #208
No, several posts engaging in vile right wing tactics. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #210
The usual vague accusations that others are Hortensis Dec 2015 #247
So you can get my post hidden? Not a chance. Nice try, though. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #250
FWIW, I never alert on anything. Goodbye. Hortensis Dec 2015 #254
we can't say names, but one said this AM that Sanders wasn't a CO but a "draft dodger" n/t zazen Dec 2015 #108
That wasn't nice and almost certainly was not Hortensis Dec 2015 #219
Don't forget warmonger cheney Ernesto Dec 2015 #251
Chicken hawks, they love war as long as they don't have to go. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #252
Bill Clinton deferred. not a smart move here. Hillary didn't join and bill shirked. Bernie faced it roguevalley Dec 2015 #124
Two types of people the right wing has declared war against fasttense Dec 2015 #116
And women, they are still waging war on reproductive rights. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #163
And the proletariat in general. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #192
OK, you're right the RepubliCONS have declared war on people fasttense Dec 2015 #255
Agreed. nt LWolf Dec 2015 #2
The obvious answer Runningdawg Dec 2015 #3
It's sad. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #4
Here's the rub. Why this hurts Bernie even though it shouldn't onenote Dec 2015 #18
thanks for sharing restorefreedom Dec 2015 #21
I think that is right onenote Dec 2015 #42
its not really a primary issue i agree restorefreedom Dec 2015 #80
Electability is a legitimate concern for primary voters. eom reACTIONary Dec 2015 #142
Which is why I feel good about voting for Sanders and wish everyone would do so. cui bono Dec 2015 #150
Especially given current events , ... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #248
I completely disagree with that. Hillary is the one who will lose in the general. cui bono Dec 2015 #253
I think your personal opinions and... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #256
The problem is that these "rules" tell people how they should think... cascadiance Dec 2015 #22
I certainly agree that Bernie's seeking CO status BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #37
This says it the best... Paka Dec 2015 #115
Don't forget the illustrious Dan Quayle in your roster that shall live in infamy. Daniel Ellsbeg KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #194
Thanks for the addition. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #201
Keep this in mind however SandersDem Dec 2015 #91
he voted for the afghan war, didn't he? stupidicus Dec 2015 #105
Sanders record in office shows he is not a pacifist .he rarely goes after Clinton JI7 Dec 2015 #121
Don't worry..... daleanime Dec 2015 #5
Lame attacks R-US at Camp Clinton. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #6
I wonder why the OP couldn't be specific about such "attacks". Perhaps because they haven't.... George II Dec 2015 #29
Are you accusing cali of lying? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #31
That is the person who was bragging about trying to get Cali's posts hidden HoneychildMooseMoss Dec 2015 #51
Yep, and if cali posts a link it will be alerted on as a callout. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #54
Right here on the front page of GDP and not for the first time cali Dec 2015 #41
Thank you, 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #44
I don't think anyone has seen it. As a matter of fact, when talking to and corresponding to.... George II Dec 2015 #88
This AM, a regular pro-Clinton poster said Sanders wasn't a CO but a "draft dodger" (i.e, criminal) zazen Dec 2015 #109
I see one single OP from back on September 1. None before and none since. George II Dec 2015 #46
Look. It's a thread with over 100 responses at the top of the page. cali Dec 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #92
Just stop already. cui bono Dec 2015 #151
aww, how cute. cali Dec 2015 #164
Good for you for not falling into the trap. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #174
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2015 #231
Your attempts to get my posts hidden has been noted by many cali Dec 2015 #62
"missing links" H2O Man Dec 2015 #232
Yes they did, stick a sock in it. davidpdx Dec 2015 #155
People here have used the term draft dodger to call out Republicans. iandhr Dec 2015 #7
There is a difference HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #13
Agreed iandhr Dec 2015 #19
What some call being devil's advocate others might call... um... cui bono Dec 2015 #152
Some are even implying he tried to avoid being drafted by going to a kibbutz in Israel. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #171
As someone who obtained a CO, i have no problem with those that found other ways to avoid service onenote Dec 2015 #48
Spot on. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #53
Mitt Romney satisfies the conditions spelled out in your last sentence. There are KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #195
Bill Clinton used an amazing & lengthy series of connections. Divernan Dec 2015 #118
And I say more power to him. onenote Dec 2015 #227
But NO war-making power to his faux hero wife. Divernan Dec 2015 #228
We are quick to point out hypocracy of anyone that is a war hawk but failed to go themeslves. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #113
Perfect answer! H2O Man Dec 2015 #233
but Clinton's a Devil Dog! that little Canuck can't compare! MisterP Dec 2015 #8
I admire him for it. And, as a draft counselor, during the VN war I advised people to do the same. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #9
Incredibly lame. Something I would (and do) expect from Republicans, but not Democrats. Scuba Dec 2015 #11
I actually find it strangely encouraging. winter is coming Dec 2015 #12
60 is about right. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #25
that's also why they're red-baiting: 1. Clinton's from the Kirkpatrick/Scoop Jackson wing of the MisterP Dec 2015 #27
The fact is that the "Clinton campaign" hasn't made any such attacks. George II Dec 2015 #30
And no one said it did, my dear friend. Clinton fans on DU have cali Dec 2015 #166
Has the Clinton campaign said anything about Bernie's status during Vietnam? Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #66
Reading any of your posts on this artislife Dec 2015 #125
That's your answer? Good grief. Hekate Dec 2015 #131
A Clinton supporter on DU did davidpdx Dec 2015 #156
When the Clinton camp attacks Bernie it almost always feels like a Republican attack. nt stillwaiting Dec 2015 #14
It shows how many "ex" Republicans, tax-objectors, and all around Rightwingers nest here. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #16
I see a lot of accusations in this thread that the Clinton camp has attacked Sanders on this. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #17
It's just red meat thrown out there to see the feeding frenzy on this non-existent "attack". George II Dec 2015 #32
Exactly, just the typical dramatic efforts to take things out R B Garr Dec 2015 #148
Except you claimed Bernie didn't run for president sooner because of his "draft dodger status": beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #154
Except you're just using that as an excuse to avoid R B Garr Dec 2015 #193
I have no idea. Now where's the evidence backing up your bizarre allegation? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #196
Give your reasons why Bernie didn't run for President R B Garr Dec 2015 #197
I said I don't know. Now back up your bizarre theory. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #198
Now confusion. Typical. Just yesterday.you were R B Garr Dec 2015 #203
No others are also confused by your claim, why can't you back it up? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #204
You and 'others" can answer your own questions. R B Garr Dec 2015 #209
Actually the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorist. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #211
Bernie's record isn't a conspiracy. You post about it R B Garr Dec 2015 #212
Glad to see you're admitting you made up the theory. Now you can move on. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #214
Glad to see you're not saying Bernie's record is R B Garr Dec 2015 #216
BERNIE DIDNT RUN FOR PREZ BEFORE CUZ HE'S A DRAFT DODGER! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #217
Bernie has a record. A Vietnam Vet in Iowa R B Garr Dec 2015 #218
I'm talking about your bizarre theory, the veterans I know don't have a problem with COs. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #220
Haha, cartoons and sidestepping into the main purpose, R B Garr Dec 2015 #224
Beatles songs? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #229
You declaring yourself the winner is the logical fallacy. R B Garr Dec 2015 #235
You failed to back up your claim so yes, you lost the debate. It's not a difficult concept. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #236
You have failed to answer the following: R B Garr Dec 2015 #237
Um because of his...how did you put it..."draft dodger status"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #238
Explain why Bernie didn't run for President in the R B Garr Dec 2015 #240
More logic fail and word salad. What does this mean?: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #241
Ah, the word salad straw man again. R B Garr Dec 2015 #242
Straw man? I don't think that word means what you think it means. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #243
You do realize you are basically talking to yourself. R B Garr Dec 2015 #244
It is performance art, I knew it! No one could be that logic challenged. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #245
Ah, recycling in the 'ol "logic" ditty again. R B Garr Dec 2015 #246
Two article were posted by the same person davidpdx Dec 2015 #157
Says who? Several Hillary supporters accused Bernie of being a draft dodger. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #158
It really is hilarious isn't it... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #20
Breaking News!!! Hillary and Bill are in a trial separation. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #83
This is fucking laughable. blackspade Dec 2015 #23
Is this even a fricking thing? deutsey Dec 2015 #24
Shit, Bush actively avoided actually serving in the war. lark Dec 2015 #26
Where and when has anyone attacked Sanders for being a CO? George II Dec 2015 #28
I don't think that anyone is really BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #47
Sure it is poutrage davidpdx Dec 2015 #159
Thanks, David. I love frustrating those who are trying to get me banned. cali Dec 2015 #167
Thanks for finally posting some links. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #199
Again with the laughable mischaracterizations. R B Garr Dec 2015 #34
Lol. Your mind reading skills seriously suck. cali Dec 2015 #60
Dear? Is that how you convince yourself of your R B Garr Dec 2015 #111
Do invest in a dictionary. cali Dec 2015 #168
Invest in one yourself. Look up phony baloney because R B Garr Jan 2016 #257
My question is and has been... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #35
Look at who is stirring shit.... davidpdx Dec 2015 #160
The Des Moines Register... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #165
Goodman? Wait, didn't you rec a thread linking to racist tea party website progressivestoday? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #170
Complete deflection on your part, as usual. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #172
You were discussing articles from questionable sources, weren't you? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #173
If that's your thing. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #175
If you brought it up how is it my thing? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #176
I get it. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #177
No you don't, obviously. I never said any of that. Here, let me help you: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #179
I get it. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #182
What are you on about now? Why the continued deflection? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #183
Awesome. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #184
I don't follow celebrities but I'm sure it's as important as the Kardashians' endorsement. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #186
Yes, I really like the endorsement. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #187
More deflection, well I guess that's my answer. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #188
You have yet to bring up a campaign issue here. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #189
Important campaign issues like your ops about pot smoking hippies in Vermont and draft dodgers? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #190
The dirty fucking hippies were right. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #191
Sanders has always been a man of Peace, for me that is a huge positive for a President. Sunlei Dec 2015 #36
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #38
THe more Bernie grows in this race, the greater and more diabolical the attacks will be. Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #39
Um, there's no there there. nt ucrdem Dec 2015 #40
You can't really tell much difference between hillarians and republicans any more Doctor_J Dec 2015 #45
Wow. Just wow. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #49
Absolutely. bvar22 Dec 2015 #94
Thanks. I posted a pic version of this last night. yours is more up to date. It explains, as Doctor_J Dec 2015 #98
I may have stolen your post. bvar22 Dec 2015 #100
The alert brigade tried again. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #180
Juror #6 is a real piece of work. He or she needs to bone up on his or her spelling, KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #200
That's a very damning list. Not good for the non wealthy SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #146
Yeah jkbRN Dec 2015 #52
Can someone point out such attack? RandySF Dec 2015 #55
Right on the front page of GDP. cali Dec 2015 #57
An unfortunate column from the Register along with a question RandySF Dec 2015 #65
Oh please. Don't be disingenuous cali Dec 2015 #69
Yep davidpdx Dec 2015 #161
I would not attack him for it, but the right wing would treestar Dec 2015 #59
What possible purpose did the Vietnam War serve anyway? Like Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam Enthusiast Dec 2015 #63
Well it did lead to some great music, fiction and poetry. I suppose KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #68
I'm not seeing this. Can you please provide a link to the KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #64
it's right on the front page here. cali Dec 2015 #73
Sorry, I'm just not seeing it on the Home Page or KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #103
It's in this forum and has Vietnam in the title. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #106
K&R. Duval Dec 2015 #67
I agree Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #70
He hasn't adequately explained why he has changed his mind on being a Conscientious Objector Freddie Stubbs Dec 2015 #72
I'm not sure we can assume... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #74
When it's a Hillary supporter doing it you have to wonder what they're thinking. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #75
15 month in country Vietnam Vet here madokie Dec 2015 #76
While I deeply respect the sacrifices of those who emigrated or received CO status (and alternative KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #205
Vs people who, comparatively, exhibit vanishingly little conscience. Not even a contest. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2015 #77
i'm glad i haven't seen this tishaLA Dec 2015 #78
And Hillary has no say... MellowDem Dec 2015 #79
Mope. No sexism in the Bernie Brigade. RandySF Dec 2015 #81
Im sorry you have to resort to personal smears... MellowDem Dec 2015 #85
No, it's just plain sexist RandySF Dec 2015 #86
Hmm, I think your comment is sexist... MellowDem Dec 2015 #87
Women in the US can finally fight in combat. ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #95
You call me sir? What's with the sexism bro? MellowDem Dec 2015 #140
I've seen people singing about "old white men" catnhatnh Dec 2015 #123
LOL, once again, many Bernie fans LOVE Warren. Think really hard about that! LOL. nt Logical Dec 2015 #134
Ugh. She sure as hell does have a say. cali Dec 2015 #93
It wasn't a privilege; it was a restriction. sarge43 Dec 2015 #181
I'm not angry at Hillary... MellowDem Dec 2015 #221
So is attacking Hillary for being a woman during the war RandySF Dec 2015 #82
Hillary was a woman during the war? wendylaroux Dec 2015 #127
Warrior for Peace shadowmayor Dec 2015 #84
What a lot people don't get sarge43 Dec 2015 #206
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #207
As a Vietnam combat vet, I respect conscientous objectors more daybranch Dec 2015 #89
For boomers,especially males who faced conscription Vietnam was a big deal HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #90
'pointless pissing matches' - with all due respect to your otherwise fine post, I don't KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #215
Speaking from the US perspective it was a pointless proxy war, re liberation... HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #249
In what alternate universe did that occur. Skidmore Dec 2015 #96
Geesh. Do you even bother to read a thread before you post? LInks to the relevant posts and KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #222
This is the first time I have revisited this thread since yesterday. Skidmore Dec 2015 #225
HRC's supporters should show the grace that Kerry did in 1992 when he defended her husband's Vietnam karynnj Dec 2015 #97
Bernie Is Too Old For Vietnam DallasNE Dec 2015 #99
maybe Hillary will stick up for him, like he did for her re benghazi Doctor_J Dec 2015 #101
well, they're competing for most contemptible and baseless or hypocritical smear stupidicus Dec 2015 #102
2 things: VN was a huge moral mistake and Bernie isnt a chicken hawk........... ErikJ Dec 2015 #104
The hypocrisy is expanding faster than the universe. nt valerief Dec 2015 #107
....seeing if it sticks.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #110
Exactly, and it's nonsensical on top of that. R B Garr Dec 2015 #112
Total dpatbrown Dec 2015 #114
No serious Hillary supporter is taking this line of attack Tarc Dec 2015 #117
Not unlike the attacks Bernie's supporters have mounted about the Clinton "scandals" from the '90s baldguy Dec 2015 #119
Here we go again... chervilant Dec 2015 #149
Where do you think the idea that the Clintons are corrupt & untrustworthy comes from? baldguy Dec 2015 #153
The Swarm seems to be getting desperate. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #120
Desparate for sure, this is a most uneducated and disgusting thread ever on DU! ViseGrip Dec 2015 #133
At least he had the balls to stand for something. He could have gotten multiple silvershadow Dec 2015 #122
Silly SilverShadow, don't you know that Cheney merely had 'othe priorities'? Hope KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #223
Oh that's right. Thanks for jogging my memory. I forgot the elite have the luxury of silvershadow Dec 2015 #239
It is just stupid. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #126
Bernie is the most qualified Charmingshmuck Dec 2015 #128
welcome Doctor_J Dec 2015 #138
you wanna talk about the issues? azureblue Dec 2015 #129
Who the hell from the Clinton campaign ever said that? Or who here? What a ridiculous .... Hekate Dec 2015 #130
The best excuse for not serving in the military? Tom Delay keithbvadu2 Dec 2015 #132
Being a Conscientious Objector during Vietnam just makes me like him more Stargleamer Dec 2015 #135
it's silly season Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #136
He committed the offense of being a CO, and dammit, people here will make him ANSWER for it! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #137
I don't have a problem with it gwheezie Dec 2015 #139
As a former Marine, I have the utmost respect for Bernie and have no qualms Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #141
Who was the Last President who was a Veteran? gordyfl Dec 2015 #143
Bush wasn't suspended from the Guard sarge43 Dec 2015 #169
The hypocrisy is absolutely astonishing. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #144
At least Bernie Sanders didn't make up a lie about it. bl968 Dec 2015 #145
They never, ever talk about policy AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #147
I was drafted and was sent to Vietnam. I don't care what others did to avoid the war. upaloopa Dec 2015 #178
A smear? Did he or did he not request CO status? If Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #185
*IF* Bernie were too be the nominee, the GOP would pursue this ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #202
K&R NCTraveler Dec 2015 #213
Definitely recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #230
The problem is, he has since voted for military actions Recursion Jan 2016 #258
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