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2016 Postmortem

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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 12:45 PM Jan 2016

The Orwellian redefining of the meaning of the words "centrist" and "moderate" [View all]



It is hard to argue when some one calls themselves "centrist" or "moderate" because those words imply that someone is in the middle and that their positions on issues are the middle way - the sensible way - not too far left - not too far right.

By any reasonable definition I suppose I am a centrist and a moderate. I don't believe that capitalism is all bad and I don't believe that capitalism is all good. I don't believe that socialism is all good and I don't believe that socialism is all bad. I believe there are some things better left to the private sector - while some things such as education, healthcare as well as fire and police protection are better handled by the public sector. I believe history has clearly shown that a balance between capitalism and socialism - a balance between altruism and individualism is what works best.

I don't believe that global projection of American military power is all a bad thing and I don't believe it is all a good thing. The sure size and scope of America and its interest in the world almost assures that it will be a major player on the world stage - but our own national interest as well as the issue of sustainability of international stability means that we cannot continue on the path of that we are currently on - one of endless military conflicts and quagmires.

President Obama was very honest, candid and forthcoming when he said that in the 1980's he would have been seen as a moderate Republicans. He was also very honest and candid when readily stated clearly and unambiguously on national television that President Nixon was in many way more liberal than him.

The Orwellian redefining of the meaning of the words "centrist" and "moderate" by the right wing seems to suggest that policies in line with 1980's moderate Republicans or policies closer to Richard Nixon's policies rather than New Deal/Great Society Democratic policies or something to the right of that is what is centrist and what is moderate.

This implies that finding a workable balance between capitalism and socialism - finding a sustainable foreign policy that doesn't have us in permanent military conflicts defending an unsustainable global military empire - establishing real universal healthcare such as is practiced in every other developed country in the world - Making sure our democracy is not something bought and paid for by hedge fund managers, Wall Street investment bankers and corporate lobbyist - Stopping and reversing the never ending redistribution of wealth from ordinary working people to the very few - Having a vision of an America where poverty has been at least as eradicated as it has been in most other advanced democracies - Striving to see in our time an America - socially just at home and at peace with the world - These are now seen as far left pipe dreams - although they were once mainstream opinions held by ordinary Americans - I see nothing extreme at all about this agenda - I say that in the real world it is simply being reasonable, sensible and indeed moderate and centrist.

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Nicely stated. 99Forever Jan 2016 #1
We're taking our Party Back - to the Left where it belongs Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #2
When a Democratic policitican descrbes him/herself that way, I think "Republican." CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #3
Those now called "extreme" by the Republicans and DINOs really want very reasonable things Doctor_J Jan 2016 #4
What's more, they tell us we can't have these things, that most of the developed world already has. reformist2 Jan 2016 #7
considering that many of the things that are now called "fringe leftist" Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #8
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #5
The Clintons were the Dems (third) way of coping with Reaganism. Dems need togo back to their roots. reformist2 Jan 2016 #6
+100 Armstead Jan 2016 #20
Agree azmom Jan 2016 #26
No the Clntons was the RW nutz attempt to corrupt and subvert our party. I has been successfull and Vincardog Jan 2016 #27
Word meanings change over time to the point where they make no sense. valerief Jan 2016 #9
"Hope you don't mind I stole for my sig line" - no problem - I took Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #31
How About "Sellout" Yallow Jan 2016 #10
I think I am a liberal treestar Jan 2016 #11
OKEE DOKEE! Phlem Jan 2016 #13
On what issues and to what extent? That's always the difficult part Armstead Jan 2016 #25
well said Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #33
Right On. Agony Jan 2016 #34
K&R! Thank you for this excellent post. Phlem Jan 2016 #12
Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #14
I love that. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #18
There's a saying in Arizona, I think Proserpina Jan 2016 #15
K&R Very welll said. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #16
In the Fascist States of America PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #17
but we know from endless examples that pure capitalism and pure socialism Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #19
Please cite an example of PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #21
there have been attempts at pure socialism in almost all the Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #22
Native americans PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #23
In Europe and Asia they just traded one Elite for another Proserpina Jan 2016 #24
After hunting the largest animals to extinction. Which animals the wooly mamoth? What about Bison? Vincardog Jan 2016 #29
In America, "Centrist/Moderate" means "Status Quo." [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2016 #28
I could not agree more. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #30
thanks Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #32
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