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Celerity

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36. Finally got around to watching those 2 videos
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:12 PM
May 2019

You, unfortunately, where totally right. He is only saying now making community college free, but not a 4 year degree, and not even the first 2 years of the 4 year degree if those 2 years are not at a junior college. He even claims that this 'cuts the cost of a 4 year degree in half' but that is not entirely true at all.

You would be forced to go to a far less rigorous school (that may not even offer your major) just to get the savings, and IF millions of people did that, then that will strip the actual 4 year (and beyond, ie Masters and PhD-granting ones, etc) schools of massive tuition, which they will in turn make up for by RAISING tuition at those schools for those of us who do not want to go the community college route. Also, the community college infrastructure is simply not equipped to handle a massive influx of millions of new students.

Very disappointed he has backed off his 2015 stance. I truly hope he takes a further look at this. The average total cost of a public 4 year degree (in state) including all tuition, fees, room, board, and supplies is now over $100,000 gross. It has doubled in the last 11 or 12 years, so if that rate of increase continues, then we are looking at $200K total gross cost by 2031 or 2032. An eight year PhD at a top, prestigious private school, in 2031 or 2032, if they have the same rates of increase, will cost around 1.5 million gross when all expenses are included. That is utterly unsustainable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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A higher minimum wage and the public option are hardly moves to the left of Obama LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #1
True, but obnoxiousdrunk May 2019 #2
I don't mind that; bogus claims should be refuted. LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #3
A prolonged surge to the left would be extremely refreshing tho. Magoo48 May 2019 #18
Obama favored a public option. crazytown May 2019 #4
Joe Lie-berman and a few blue-dogs also helped kill Public Option groundloop May 2019 #16
The Publuc Option could have been included through Reconciliation crazytown May 2019 #19
Doesn't necessarily look like he is breaking with Obama. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #5
surprising. yaesu May 2019 #6
These are NOT "breaks." Good grief. The Hill Hortensis May 2019 #7
Good points. Learning those fact would be, like, too much work. George II May 2019 #20
Joe - You're going to have to keep moving left, and then further left, and then more.... IndyOp May 2019 #8
NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN SWING STATES: JOBS! And in case you didn't get that ... Auggie May 2019 #9
Not yours, but the headline is an unnecessarily negative spin on Biden "vs." Obama. George II May 2019 #10
From the article: "None of the three examples are dramatic R B Garr May 2019 #11
yes, that is why I included that in the excerpt Celerity May 2019 #12
Obamas hands were tied a lot of the time.. He would have been a LOT more left.. samnsara May 2019 #13
what is the premise of this article - he should be welded to Obama? I don't get it. EveHammond13 May 2019 #14
But as with all of them, you have to ask yourself if you believe they'll actually DO what they say pdsimdars May 2019 #15
If we do not take back the Senate, there will not be shit getting done. I am really starting Celerity May 2019 #17
Really? George II May 2019 #22
K&R nt NYMinute May 2019 #21
Biden has endorsed people 55+ buying into Medicare. Not everyone. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #23
Biden calls for everyone having the choice to buy into Medicare Celerity May 2019 #24
I'm glad to hear that. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #25
TOTAL student debt is 1.6 trillion, we spend that each YEAR on the war/surveillance state Celerity May 2019 #27
It costs a lot more than that, though. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #28
there are around 13 million public university students (2 and 4 years) in the US Celerity May 2019 #29
Okay. If it's doable. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #30
comparison purposes Celerity May 2019 #32
That was in 2015. He's dialed that back to 2 years of community college. Demit May 2019 #31
do you a link? Celerity May 2019 #33
It's a C-Span video-- Demit May 2019 #34
Thanks! Celerity May 2019 #35
Finally got around to watching those 2 videos Celerity May 2019 #36
It's been a long time since I went to college, but Demit May 2019 #38
+10000 Celerity May 2019 #39
I want to call this draining trumps base, BootinUp May 2019 #26
RW-serving The Hill and Celerity. I haven't even read Hortensis May 2019 #37
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