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Ponietz

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72. + but the R Party has also the cunning of Sauron, the avarice of Smaug, and an army of orcs!

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Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:57 AM

Sep 2019

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‘That’ Gollum is dragging us toward Mt. Doom.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The idea that Democrats should make it their priority to get us back to "normal" is worse than naive [View all] BeyondGeography Sep 2019 OP

normal is what got us here. rampartc Sep 2019 #1

+1 Meadowoak Sep 2019 #2

I disagree DownriverDem Sep 2019 #15

+1000. The author opens his argument calling others naive. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #27

According to the polls and statistics, most Americans ARE PROGRESSIVE Perseus Sep 2019 #39

First, most Americans support Healthcare coverage for all. They absolutely do not support the LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #58

Not true, a talking point by insurance comps and republicans "people loving their paid insurances" Perseus Sep 2019 #84

Some people absolutely are satisfied with their private insurance. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #91

I never said this "you need to get out more to gain a wider perspective" I said meet people or read Perseus Sep 2019 #103

In the Navy I had "universal healthcare." As a DoS employee I have private insurance. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #106

Friends I have who were in the Navy, Army, etc. get healthcare for life Perseus Sep 2019 #108

What the VA offers can be very limited. Most veterans that live in non-urban areas have to travel Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #130

I shopped for, enrolled in, and pay for my Blue Cross Blue Shield like any other consumer. I'd have LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #116

Outside of extended benefits, Canada does not have a private option Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #127

"Extended benefits," paid for by private insurance, apparently include at least some prescription LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #131

Some are satisfied. Although I would pay higher taxes so all could be covered, I want to keep emmaverybo Sep 2019 #107

And I forgot to say this Perseus Sep 2019 #85

And you propose to cut military spending how? Not a winning proposal for Dems who for decades emmaverybo Sep 2019 #128

most Americans don't matter treestar Sep 2019 #75

Really? Then perhaps you could explain the GOP'S having more states than us, more Senators...and Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #89

You're basically summarizing what "normal" is. BlueWI Sep 2019 #93

No, the voters who agree with us live in cities...dense population...but the Senate is not based on Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #96

District boundaries vary, but there's still only one electorate that votes for all offices. BlueWI Sep 2019 #117

"Elizabeth Warren will get wiped out in a GE????" moreland01 Sep 2019 #43

If she's nominated I sincerely hope to eat those words. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #56

The polls show you are completely wrong Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #102

A couple of things.. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #104

You continue using RW talking points to bash Warren Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #115

I don't see any Biden supporters here bashing Warren in the true sense IMHO Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #133

You are not paying attention and your "point" about AA voters is wrong Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #136

You open your statement with labeling voters as Far Left. BlueWI Sep 2019 #52

Stop labeling Democrats as far left! KPN Sep 2019 #62

I didn't mean it as an insult. Just distinguishing between moderates and progressives. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #67

It is an insult, and ammunition for republicans Perseus Sep 2019 #86

Well negative connotation in rightwing circles notwithstanding, far left is a mundane colloquial LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #95

No evidence to support your assertion about Warren Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #129

I don't think those polls hold. Not even for Biden. There aren't going to be any 16 pt wins LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #132

Good points.. thx for posting Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #134

I dislike that media generated (FOX News generated) locution "Far Left." NNadir Sep 2019 #55

Exactly. It's inexcusable for any Democrat here KPN Sep 2019 #64

No, and neither are we. Stop labeling fellow KPN Sep 2019 #60

We need someone with the character & leadership of Biden to restore OUR sanity. Gothmog Sep 2019 #114

Without question...why Bernie & his progressive vision is what We The People are demanding InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #19

+100 ewagner Sep 2019 #20

+1 gazillion! rusty fender Sep 2019 #92

What got us here is the backlash to electing a black man as POTUS. lapfog_1 Sep 2019 #101

I think you are sort of right Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #119

The GOP veered astray of 'normal' quite some time ago. Chemisse Sep 2019 #3

Not a good plan DownriverDem Sep 2019 #16

I don't think Chemisse was "attacking" Obama. kag Sep 2019 #32

There's nothing wrong with assessing Obama's record. BlueWI Sep 2019 #53

Neither is clinging to Obama's coat tails such a good plan Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #70

Definitely not attacking Obama. Chemisse Sep 2019 #74

So we should nominate an unelectable ultra left wing candidate NYMinute Sep 2019 #4

Yeah, that'll show them... Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #6

No. We should use the momentum to move left. tecelote Sep 2019 #10

This!! Fo sho!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #21

IMO there is no such thing as an "electable, ultra left wing" candidate calguy Sep 2019 #41

Well . . . . moreland01 Sep 2019 #45

What the heck is ultra left wing BlueWI Sep 2019 #87

I agree with the exception of the use and KPN Sep 2019 #65

Good point! tecelote Sep 2019 #105

Unfortunately, using the 2020 election to shift the party on the political spectrum emmaverybo Sep 2019 #109

So who are the ultra left wing candidates? BlueWI Sep 2019 #118

So you won't vote for the primary winner? Alpeduez21 Sep 2019 #11

Why Bernie is the best choice, as the steady swing in the polls is startin to show. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #23

What you are wanting, eradication of the racist culture is what we all want. Probably isn't going to Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #46

Exactly DownriverDem Sep 2019 #17

Who was that far left candidate? Perseus Sep 2019 #31

My reaction, exactly, Perseus! kag Sep 2019 #33

This! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #47

We ran a "far left candidate and lost big time"? When was this? Autumn Sep 2019 #121

That is not what the article talks about Perseus Sep 2019 #29

+1 n/t area51 Sep 2019 #61

+1000 KPN Sep 2019 #66

Politics is a messy business we all know it... few accept it! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #135

Actually "electability" is determined by something called "elections." I remember soothsaying... NNadir Sep 2019 #44

great point HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #59

Are you referring to a Democrat? KPN Sep 2019 #63

What's needed is clarity on what Democrats stand for BlueWI Sep 2019 #90

The polls all show the top three crushing Shitler. Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #97

Yes we do need to heal and TRY to return back to normal. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #5

Yeah, who knows BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #7

+1000 Alpeduez21 Sep 2019 #12

LMFAO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #24

Returning to normal is not as difficult as it seems Perseus Sep 2019 #34

Ain't gonna happen. They are out to subjugate KPN Sep 2019 #68

It is the constant lies and inflated emotional appeal that seems to never stop. gordianot Sep 2019 #8

Normal was a dysfunctional mess. Martin Eden Sep 2019 #9

Let us never forget Alpeduez21 Sep 2019 #13

MUCH better, and I know just the ticket... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #25

Normal in America is racism and misogyny. So true. Merlot Sep 2019 #42

There is no "normal" Roy Rolling Sep 2019 #14

Gollum, the GOP has descended into Gollum RVN VET71 Sep 2019 #18

Of course Biden gets my vote should he win the general, but fortunately, he wont as the steady swing InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #30

+ but the R Party has also the cunning of Sauron, the avarice of Smaug, and an army of orcs! Ponietz Sep 2019 #72

The worst thing Biden has done IMO is revive the fantasy of the reasonable Republican BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #111

Too much advice. ananda Sep 2019 #22

I'd rephrase that by calling it "unnecessary advice" onetexan Sep 2019 #37

I understand normal to mean frazzled Sep 2019 #26

Bingo! pazzyanne Sep 2019 #35

+1. obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2019 #48

You nailed it! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #49

The GOP ain't going to go there ... nor is KPN Sep 2019 #69

Especially as he has already signaled to them that he wants their approval BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #78

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #81

When was America normal? brutus smith Sep 2019 #83

Homeostasis Newest Reality Sep 2019 #28

Bravo! Trump is reversing 90 years of progress and 8 years of Obama, but bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #36

+1 -K&R onetexan Sep 2019 #38

Agree completely. What we have right now KPN Sep 2019 #71

It all takes time no matter who gets in office. world wide wally Sep 2019 #40

Oh my!! A voice of sanity!! Thank you Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #50

Spot on. BlueWI Sep 2019 #51

Joe has been moving us forward for 45 years. So there's THAT! Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #54

This opinion piece uses a lot of rightwing tropes procon Sep 2019 #57

There will be a ton of damage to be repaired after trump is voted out Gothmog Sep 2019 #73

Whose definition of "normal"? 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2019 #76

Wishful thinking treestar Sep 2019 #77

I guess you missed the part about dumping the filibuster BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #79

The POTUS has no choice in the filibuster treestar Sep 2019 #80

She has called for dumping it BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #82

They would have to have 51 at least, no? treestar Sep 2019 #122

No, you don't like Joe Biden...first of all. And secondly, many folks disagree with you...and it Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #88

The normal that Trump promised is a preObama normal tirebiter Sep 2019 #94

This is nonsense from Pitts and a misrepresentation of Biden, who wants to move this highplainsdem Sep 2019 #98

@JoeBiden is running for President to restore the soul of America. Gothmog Sep 2019 #113

I can only answer this piece with my own sense of 'normal' peggysue2 Sep 2019 #99

I can credit this analysis. In this sense, "normal," as compared to "freak" would be great. n/t. NNadir Sep 2019 #100

Your answer represents what those of us who subscribe to a "return to normal," as one part of emmaverybo Sep 2019 #110

All the leading Democratic candidates would do this. BlueWI Sep 2019 #123

If that's the case . . . peggysue2 Sep 2019 #125

The point is that normal is too low of a bar. BlueWI Sep 2019 #137

Joe Biden will restore and build upon the normalcy and stability that Trump has destroyed Gothmog Sep 2019 #112

IMO, Washington has been broken since about 1994. Obviously, it's much worse now but '94 is when Midwestern Democrat Sep 2019 #120

Fair enough BlueWI Sep 2019 #124

How will Biden fixed the damage done by trump? Gothmog Sep 2019 #126