Democratic Primaries

MoonlitKnight

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36. Not standing for something is what loses elections

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:39 PM

Feb 2020

Leaders put forth bold ideas and lead people to their positions. Leaders have a vision. Great leaders have a vision and an ability to govern and get things done.

That is my issue with Biden and Klobuchar. They are not exhibiting leadership by crapping on ideas such as this. They can govern and get things done, but can they lead? I have not seen them do so yet.

Yang has ideas but lacks an overall vision or ability to govern.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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What's wrong with tuition-free college? [View all] redqueen Feb 2020 OP

Nothing is wrong with that Rider3 Feb 2020 #1

'Murica HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #3

So we should fork out tens of billions redqueen Feb 2020 #10

If a high school student has great grades they can do two grades of college in high school for free samnsara Feb 2020 #2

I don't think the OP squirecam Feb 2020 #5

Why should only the top students have access to publicly funded community college? nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #8

In state Community college squirecam Feb 2020 #9

Of course. But it's a start. Ending state public education with 12th grade is arbitrary. pnwmom Feb 2020 #14

I think all the candidates squirecam Feb 2020 #20

That is what I crafted for my daughters exboyfil Feb 2020 #45

There are some underpants Feb 2020 #4

Is Bernie or Warren proposing everyone go to one of those? redqueen Feb 2020 #11

Someone wants to have to pay for it. Otherwise no problem. nt jmg257 Feb 2020 #6

How did school get to be so expensive? Walleye Feb 2020 #7

Severe budget cuts in Federal AND State funding reduced college funding. SharonAnn Feb 2020 #16

I understand why the red states cut state funding, but why did the blue states? MichMan Feb 2020 #52

How expensive would it be if students & parents could go anywhere they wanted MichMan Feb 2020 #51

Opposition to almost every proposal that benefits the many over the few is based on irrational... JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #12

This is a bad take squirecam Feb 2020 #13

aka a mindset of scarcity - but I'm not talking about the reason Warren's and Sanders' proposals redqueen Feb 2020 #15

There's no such thing as "free" anything. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #17

Yes. I posted this with the assumption that everyone here redqueen Feb 2020 #19

Some are. Some arent squirecam Feb 2020 #21

Most are. No real reason to debase the conversation to assuage the lowest common denominators. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #29

I'd bet even the slowest mind easily infers that it's sponsored and paid for by taxes. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #28

So let's hear which taxes. I'm all for raising certain taxes. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #33

It undermines the privileges of the privileged Ghost Dog Feb 2020 #18

Are you trying to make a fat joke? squirecam Feb 2020 #23

I assumed it was slang for stupid. redqueen Feb 2020 #27

Yep. Thick as two short planks, Ghost Dog Feb 2020 #31

Maybe angry is only an Irish slang usage? redqueen Feb 2020 #37

Well now, I never came across that usage, to be sure, Ghost Dog Feb 2020 #41

Maybe it's just the one area of Ireland redqueen Feb 2020 #42

Such diversity (and diversion) is surely healthy. Ghost Dog Feb 2020 #43

It can also mean "close" or "loyal": "Thick as thieves" JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2020 #59

It needs to be framed correctly. You don't just go say free college because it does need to be paid UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #22

Calling it free ibegurpard Feb 2020 #24

Not a damn thing. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #25

My state and city have gone a long way to addressing that frazzled Feb 2020 #26

See, this makes sense. Really good points here. redqueen Feb 2020 #30

Is it just the University of Illinois exboyfil Feb 2020 #44

I think it's just Champagne-Urbana frazzled Feb 2020 #48

Absolutely not intended exboyfil Feb 2020 #49

Yes, good points frazzled Feb 2020 #50

Arent they just transferring the costs to those making over the threshold? MichMan Feb 2020 #53

It went up 1.8%, for the first time in 6 years frazzled Feb 2020 #56

NOTHING IS FREE! democratisphere Feb 2020 #32

Not standing for something is what loses elections MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #36

THIS FREE craziness will alienate a huge majority of voters. democratisphere Feb 2020 #38

It's a top line tax reduction MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #39

Klobuchar's or Yang's proposals make a tremendous amount of sense. judeling Feb 2020 #34

The framing/naming of it 'free' is the silly part ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #35

Definitely need to reframe and rephrase these proposals MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #40

Excellent suggestions. I hope the respective campaigns start implementing them. nt Doremus Feb 2020 #47

I'd be okay with that. Doremus Feb 2020 #46

Why is no one ever addressing why college costs so much and how to make it affordable? MichMan Feb 2020 #54

very valid point ibegurpard Feb 2020 #55

Or maybe just eliminate the interest? I know that would be a huge help to me in paying off my loans. Luciferous Feb 2020 #57

All for it. Do it fast... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #58