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Celerity

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13. Obama's words were a warning of rigid, doctrinaire progressiveness, you are positing a non sequitur
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 05:19 PM
Apr 2019

Whilst I do not think the the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (which Biden was a major force behind) was the cause of the 2007-2009 financial crisis (to call it a recession is to undersell to to an extreme degree, as well over 30 TRILLION USD was wiped off the books globally) it has had a tremendously negative impact on the middle and working class. It is one of the major reasons I do not support Biden in the primaries. It has also thrown an absolute spanner into the works of millions of ex-college students, as it has made getting out from under ruinous student loan debt damn near impossible for millions of of my age (I am 23, so call it 40yo and under) cohort.

As for the actual, fundamental root causes of that horrific, global crash (also Biden supported) I present this:

These are bi-partisan in nature, and the worst of the Clintonian legacy:

1 The repeal of Glass-Steagall

On November 12, 1999, President Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act (the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that repealed Glass-Steagall.

On November 4, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90–8 and by the House 362–57. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

Glass Steagall Act of 1933, Its Purpose and Repeal
This 1933 Law Would Have Prevented the Financial Crisis


https://www.thebalance.com/glass-steagall-act-definition-purpose-and-repeal-3305850




2 The even more odious Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which re-legalised most OTC derivatives including credit swaps (derivatives of multiple flavours were the instruments that were so crucial to the meltdown in sub-prime mortgages).

The House passed the Conference Report and, therefore, H.R. 4577 in a vote of 292-60. The Senate passed it by unanimous consent (over the objections of Paul Wellstone and James Inofe). Clinton signed it into law on December 21, 2000.




How Congress Rushed a Bill that Helped Bring the Economy to Its Knees

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926




Great video about Brooksley Born, who trying to warn about this, and was completely shut down by Lawrence Summers, Robert Rubin, et. al

The Warning

Long before the economic meltdown, one woman tried to warn about the threat to the financial system...


https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-the-warning/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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this law did not receive enough attention when it passed rampartc Apr 2019 #1
That bill was a disaster for everyone-- shanny Apr 2019 #2
+10000 Celerity Apr 2019 #30
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #3
K&R workinclasszero Apr 2019 #4
The law didn't cause the recession BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #5
The article that I sited is an opinion piece, a very good one IMO with solid facts to back it. CentralMass Apr 2019 #6
It is from a supporter's blog BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #7
Well it has some basic facts that are very true. However explain to me CentralMass Apr 2019 #8
Restricting bankruptcy by laws doesn't cause recessions BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #14
Your candidate does not benefit from this sort of thing. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #42
Obviously you didn't listen to Obama's words today Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #9
That advice wasn't a singular message for your candidate of choice. Then again maybe it was. CentralMass Apr 2019 #11
Obama's words were a warning of rigid, doctrinaire progressiveness, you are positing a non sequitur Celerity Apr 2019 #13
It is the height of unfairness to pin any of those on Biden BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #15
I never said he was the sole reason, but he did help champions the 2005 Bill through congress Celerity Apr 2019 #16
The deregulation of banks during the Bush years and tax cuts, two wars....all Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #41
The question is crazytown Apr 2019 #20
Why would he have vetoed it? He thought is was the correct move. Celerity Apr 2019 #21
Like Biden said, it affected 10% of the population. It's Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #24
that literally makes zeros sense Celerity Apr 2019 #25
Bullshit. It is naive to the nth degree that most all banks Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #26
like I said, keep on rolling with that tosh that the banks were victims and needed that law Celerity Apr 2019 #28
Blah, blah, blah. Volume of words does not make Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #31
I have put up plenty of OP's defending policies, philosophies, issues, and candidates that I admire Celerity Apr 2019 #33
Great!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #35
It is painfully obvious what your motivation may be. Why not tout Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #40
Obama's words had nothing do do with this KayF Apr 2019 #18
Bottom Line: Sanders And Warren Vehemently Opposed It (n/t) corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #10
Bernie is not a Democrat. And was Warren in the Senate then? I do believe Ted Kennedy was Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #39
At That Time, Warren Was A Recognized Public Figure corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #44
This is disingenuous at best. Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #12
This is probably a new communique from some mothership BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #17
Love you BF Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #27
that seems like a short time KayF Apr 2019 #19
It's a trickle... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #22
sorry I misread your post KayF Apr 2019 #23
The Cause Behind the '08 Financial Crisis.. LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #29
And it wasn't all banks for sure. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #32
Extremely flawed and poor analysis. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #34
Only in Sirotaville. ucrdem Apr 2019 #36
I've never forgotten who voted for it. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #37
So now that he touched my shoulder' didn't work, some attempt to blame him for the 2008 Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #38
Don't you think that this is just a bit reductionist? yardwork Apr 2019 #43
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