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30. If we really want to win elections, we should be able to verify the count

Sun Mar 9, 2025, 07:42 PM

Mar 2025

Compared to the hell , we Americans are going through, hand counting paper ballots doesn’t seem like much to ask

Trusting the owners of the vote counting computers is foolish

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Democrats: Stop Running to the Center - Robert Reich [View all] Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 OP

because the last election showed us how the country stopdiggin Feb 2025 #1

That's what Robert Reich saw and he's been following elections a lot longer than I have Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #2

There's no such thing as a political expert Polybius Mar 2025 #25

As the old saying goes, opinions are the assholes, everybody has one, and Reich is entitled to his. elocs Apr 2025 #42

No the last election showed us that chasing the illusive Republican who will vote Democratic Nanjeanne Feb 2025 #19

ah, yes. "what the Ds lack is solid 'messaging' " stopdiggin Feb 2025 #21

It was a "disjointed" message. My heart sank when I saw what happened to Biden during the debate. That long pause, Biden CTyankee Feb 2025 #23

see I bought a huge bottle of whiskey election night Skittles Apr 2025 #45

You were so right. I was so wrong, just carried away by the moment. Now I know... CTyankee Apr 2025 #46

I was hopeful...foolishly so Bettie May 2025 #48

You argue as passionately against a left shift as questionseverything Mar 2025 #28

Darn straight. Unapologetically. And with some conviction. stopdiggin Mar 2025 #29

If we really want to win elections, we should be able to verify the count questionseverything Mar 2025 #30

My objection to 'hand counting' lies in that it is a bogus nostrum stopdiggin Mar 2025 #31

It's transparent which should beat everything in a democracy questionseverything Mar 2025 #32

have to be joking stopdiggin Mar 2025 #33

Overton window Be Leave On Feb 2025 #3

Thanks so much! And I tend to believe Robert Reich Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #4

A blunt opinion Nulock Feb 2025 #5

Thanks for your thoughtful response Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #6

Thank you. Nulock Feb 2025 #7

I agree with you and what's happening now absolutely baffles me Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #9

Although I detest Reagan, markodochartaigh Feb 2025 #12

I was certainly no fan of Reagan, either, though his "beliefs" were the complete opposite of TFG's Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #14

Trump's essentially a crime boss and the Republican Party has become his crime family. Nulock Feb 2025 #13

Wow! I completely take your point and certainly agree Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #15

He has the entire political apparatus of the state at his disposal and command. Nulock Feb 2025 #16

And the fact that he has these ardent "loyalists" makes no sense to me Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #17

I'll buy in to that - in general terms, if not every specific ... stopdiggin Feb 2025 #11

Completely agree DeepWinter Feb 2025 #22

Pretty good article from a DU member posted here. Nulock Mar 2025 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Mar 2025 #37

I think Gaza became a single issue for many Democrats that drove them to not vote or vote third party ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Apr 2025 #47

That was cosmic, I just made a post on another thread that aligned with Robert's message before I saw this video Uncle Joe Feb 2025 #8

Awww, thanks, Uncle Joe! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #10

We didn't lose from running to the center somsai Feb 2025 #18

Well said. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #26

or perhaps the party of many small tents who can't come together when it matters? cadoman Mar 2025 #34

immigration is more a racist issue than an economic one Skittles May 2025 #49

Stop compromising. We need to get Enthusiastic & get our own movement going! Maga gives us lots of ammunition. NowsTheTime Feb 2025 #20

I can't rec this post enough. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #27

K & R. We have a centrist problem. Emile Mar 2025 #35

We've been moving right ever since Reagan. Trump is the logical outcome of our strategy. jalan48 Mar 2025 #36

This is what centrism sounds like ... Intractable Mar 2025 #38

Chuck Schumer needs to take notes and learn. Emile Mar 2025 #39

Since Carter, and then Clinton, Obama. Passages Mar 2025 #40

There are voter who normally vote more Democratic than Republican, but who simply not vote for a woman. elocs Apr 2025 #41

I voted early for the first time in the last election, I needed to get it done Rhiannon12866 Apr 2025 #43

The center-left divide is no longer relevant iemanja Apr 2025 #44