Join the Wes Clark for Veep Group
Heads up-Olbermann giving a Special Comment tonight named "McCain Unhinged"
Heads up-Olbermann giving a Special Comment tonight named "McCain Unhinged"
Even in A “Christian” Debate, McCain Has To Cheat
McCain's "mistakes were made" answer to the moral failure
McCain pulls ahead of Obama in battleground states
McCain pulls ahead of Obama in battleground states
If I ever get my Obama T-shirt (8 weeks now), I promise to
The Real McCain: McCain's Mansions.
If Obama wants someone who is going to be effective on the campaign trail
Huh? One-hour smear special of Obama on Faux News tonight? Legal?
Rasmussen daily GE graph for 8/17/08 - Obama 44, McCain 43 (McCain up 1)
Even if nothing comes of Saddlegate, it's so great!
Sludge's Dem VP poll- 'Wildcard" choice winning
DUers & Bloggers v. Big Media = We're Still Underdogs, But We Keep Coming Back
What is up with Cindy McCain's arm in a cast?
McCain to name his VP on August 29 - the day after Obama's historic nomination, on his 72nd B'day.
Cavuto Implies that McCain Is Trying to Protect Us From the Next Hitler
That was my favorite "Special Comment" ever
Jerome R. Corsi on McCain: MOB TIES!
Breaking: Obama to pick as early as Wednesday morning - McDummy on 8/29
What do you think KO thought of Feinman's analysis of the forum
Need some help with an observation at Saddleback
The questions Warren didn't get to.
I first used the word Swiftboating today and it wasn't in reference to lying.
It's not going to be McCain or Cheney
How do VP choices look next to Obama?
Heads up! Rick Warren getting ready to appear on Larry King Live 9:25 p.m.
McBush just LOST COLORADO!!!! - He suggests raiding Colorado's water! GOBAMA08!
AWwww McCone teared up...the McBush rehabilitation continues with his surrogate Warren
Rachael Maddow has moved back to frosted make-up
McCain: What a pandering piece of crap!
Confirmation: Obama ready to announce running mate this week
Bush, McCain supported 1999 coup and embraced Musharraf to the "bitter end."
How Will You Handle It If "Your" Candidate Is Not Obama's VP?
Forget about the VP polls--who pisses you off more these days?
Cindy McMeany's Forgotten and Ignored Sister
Which is better and more likely to be featured on MTV Cribs?
McPOW wears dunce cap of silence, cheats and still fucks it up!LOL!
It's going to be Bernie Sanders
As expected, UAW endorses Obama for president
"Only Child" Cindy McCain's creepy family values
DU, please help out your local Democratic party, as well, in this run up to the elections.
Senior Advisor to John McCain Oversaw Gun Lobby Office That Hired Spy
Andrew Sullivan Isn't Letting CROSSGATE Go
BWAHAHA! Orson Swindle CAUGHT LYING ABOUT MCCAIN'S CROSS STORY
McCain Plans VP Birthday Bash in Ohio
McCain's "Cross" Story Vs. Al Gore "Inventing The Internet"
Handy printout/email graphic to send to McConeDroids
Keith Olbermann: MCCAIN'S FIRST WORDS AT SADDLEBACK FORUM WERE A LIE
McP.O.W. photoshop I'd like to see....
McP.O.W. photoshop I'd like to see....
I have a feeling McNuts is going to pick Kasich....
I think Ridge and Romney are out for McCain
Image of Hanoi Hilton in 73...sand or concrete?
This is pretty scary given McCain's comments on Georgia:
Seriously who should Obama *NOT* pick?
Did the Saddleback confab reassure anyone you know about Obama?
McCain has already lost on this issue.
McCheater will NOT announce his Veep on the Friday after the DNC Convention.....
Here's hoping that McCain picks Condi as his VP Choice ....
Well THAT cleared it right up!
PM me if you think Joe Biden won't get attacked...
I like all of the possible Veep Choices.......
Guess the Talking Head. (VP pick edition)
Obama should NOT announce the VP this week...
McCain - Ralph Reed: Trying hard to have it both ways.
Cindy McCain's Daddy dumped his first wife just like McCain dumped his.
The real tough questions missing from SaddleBack....was too hard for McCrash
The real tough questions missing from SaddleBack....was too hard for McCrash
Kerry Statement on Musharraf's Resignation
McCain will choose an anti-choice woman as his running mate...
Which GOP VP nominee would be difficult for Obama's VP pick (whoever that might be) to counter?
This from outside of saddleback church...
Have you noticed McCain's Celebrity Ads are no longer on the Olympics?
A Lifetime Pass on ALL Present and Future Misconduct - POW
Would anyone else like the DU Admins to give a VP support policy?
I think Sibelius would make a TERRIBLE Vice President!
Why do the GOP's fake fits of outrage get to influence the process of choosing the DEM VP?!?
Obama needs to RESPOND to the McSame attacks twice as hard NOW
Sebelius to Iowa Thursday: Is she out of the veepstakes?
The bump in Gallup today was significant
The last couple Madison Obama grassroots table photos for your enjoyment (Bandwidth phat)
LOL, CHRIST-A-POOLZA tickets sold for $2000 a piece
You know, Obama should give McCain a big hug before each debate
I believe I was the first to post Sebelius early in the primary season except it was for
How Has McCain Avoided Answering the Abandonment of 1st Spouse/Adultery Question?
Has anyone noticed that McCain blinks like a dog in the wind after he makes a slam on Obama?
JeffR clicks on a thread and it gets locked
Michigan religious conservatives: "We are totally done with McCain at this point, unless..."
Here comes McCoathanger....should he prevail...the Roe/Wade thing is gonna die
Yeah, let McCane pick TOM "potholes for PA" Ridge
I knew it! Obama fighting a cold...
I am obsessing over Saddleback,,, but Warren is asking me to believe
Why wouldn't McCain announce his VP choice on his 72nd birthday?
Bed sounds good. Sleep sounds better. And Obama, whomever he picks, will be
Is Biden Racially insensitive?
The United Auto Workers Union Endorses Obama
Quinnipiac University Poll: Obama 47%, McCain 42%
McCain Outspending Obama By Hundreds Of Thousands In Many Core Battleground States
Another reason NOT to pick Evan Bayh: Dan Quayle
When did McCrank undergo psychological therapy in the past 8 yeaers?
Ralph Reed was a no-show at a fund-raiser for John McCain
For The Last Freaking Time, Mark Warner is Going to Win a Seat in the Senate
Just curious. Why is the RNC Convention always after the DNC Convention?
Obama now only 2 ahead in Minnesota
Have you noticed that McSame is now acting president?
If the NYT Got it Right, West Coasters Could Get an Early Morning(4AM) VP Text
"I'm not giving up on implausible dreams"
Obama redefines looking "presidential" (Photo)
"We Have Safely Placed Senator McCain in a Cone of Silence"
No destiny wind propels McCain.
I propose a new nickname for McCain: Hanoi John
OK, now I'm 100% on the Biden bandwagon
Sebelius? Is there anyone here who honestly thinks she'd be a good pick?
Caption this mug shot or hey those are some big tracks on your arm sir what size needle you using?
CCN is showing long clips of Obama Speech live in Orlando...
Bayh's Running-Mate Chances May Be Hurt by Wife's Board Seats
John McCain, 1973: 'A Lot of My Captors Were Homosexuals'
McCain supporting the surge WAS a political move b/c it was the only shot
***Heads Up: Obama to speak to the Veterans of Foreign Wars annual convention in Orlando, FL***
Reich-wing message board scrubs excellent post critical of McCain
I don't care if both candidates were given the questions ahead of time
John Lewis: John McCain's Wise Man? - "He does not consult me. And I do not consult him."
McCain campaign trademarks "former POW" moniker.
McCain's Fellow POW & Eyewitness To "Cross In The Dirt" = Swiftboater & More
Did Obama do poorly at Saddleback?
WTF Coleman: "If the convention wasn't in St. Paul, I wouldn't be at the convention,"
Stick or Sandal...did I miss something?
"McCain says he plans to consult with Dem Rep. John Lewis when he's president-That's news to Lewis"
So CNN is running puff-pieces on McCain now?
John McCain, we are not "your friends".
72 next Friday August 29! McCain is 72. Get off his lawn, he's 72
Eric Boehlert: Fox News and Former Swiftboat author Corsi Living in the Past
Say It Is So, Joe -- Halperin is pumping up Biden as the pick.
Cindy McCain's half sister ignored, cut out of the family
Obama, Webb to campaign in Lynchburg Wednesday
John McCain's 'Good' Energy Program
"McCain has the best record of any Republican running for president on the energy issue"
I think that Lieberman was the worst Dem veep choice in my lifetime
Anyone find irony that all those Repuke Conventioneers are flying into MSP International Airport
Possible VP Sebelius in Iowa Aug. 21
A Look Back at Vice Presidential Rumors (2004)
A Problem With An Obama/Clark Ticket:
Jack Cafferty nails it. Is McCain another Bush?
Warren claims he received a personal phone call from Georgian President Saakashvili.
Andrew Sullivan: McCain Condones The Torture That Was Done To Him
Ladies and Gentlemen, the next President and Vice President of the United States
Question for McCain: He broke the agreement by arriving late. Why? What's his excuse?
"Former President George HW Bush Praises Obama's Energy Plan"
Which likely VP pick would piss off the LEAST number of DU'ers?
I think Pawlenty will be InSane's running mate because InSane thinks he may carry MN
McCain To Visit Oil Platform Owned By Chevron; McCain’s National Finance Co-Chairman Lobbies For...
McLame....PLEASE Pick Joe Lieberman for your VP...I promise I'll vote for you!!!
WAPO: Veep Tea Leaves: As Veep Choice Nears, Obama Hires Speechwriter
WAPO: Veep Tea Leaves: As Veep Choice Nears, Obama Hires Speechwriter
How about that Obama fellow, eh?
Bipartisan Praise From Bill Clinton
Looking ahead a few moves: convention strategy
Gore to speak at the convention on final night
Gore to speak at the convention on final night
Which is more upsetting: McCain's a liar, or McCain's mentally broken?
LA Times: Russ Feingold Praises McCain on... everything!
Before VFW, Obama hits back at McCain - "I will let no one question my love of this country,"
Mark Halperin is all excited that the new LAtimes poll out tonight will be bad for Obama apparently
What will be this year's RNC "purple heart band-aid"?
Jack Cafferty's column deserves more recognition
Andrew Sullivan: Friend, POW Comrade Made 1999 Ad On McCain, Faith - No Mention Of Cross-In-Dirt
Obama Will Win the Popular Vote in November By Between 1-2 Million Votes.
Cake-lovin' Grampy McBush's BAD timing: VP announcement will be on the 3rd anniversary of Katrina
Video: "Bio" Joe Biden 1988 4President TV Ad
MoveOn Sinking $500,000 Into New Ad Linking Elizabeth Dole To McCain And Big Oil
Gore to speak on Democratic convention's final night
Find an event near you. Go to mybarackobama.com and find event listings!!
For all you clinton bashers pissed he said something nice about McCain - better bash Feingold too
This deserves its own thread. The GOPUSA site has the AP story calling Lieberman a "prick"
Politico takes a big swipe at at Bayh
HuffPo: Bill Clinton Praises McCain on Energy
HuffPo: Bill Clinton Praises McCain on Energy
Right ward turn of this message board?
Why Saddleback needs to lose it's Tax Exempt status from the IRS
Al Gore to INVESCO FIELD! Will speak on Thursday!
McCain Campaign "Clarifies" His Colorado Water Grab Statement
Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Vice President Kathleen Sebelius
Obama Calls 2 Millionth Contributor
FACE IT: Obama's VP Selection will not gain us or lose us any votes!!!
Rasmussen, 8/19: Obama 45%, McCain 42% (with leaners, Obama 47%, McCain 45%)
My LTTE to the New York Daily News...
TPM: McCain Outspending Obama in Battleground States
I'm sorry, but if I disliked Bush, I hate McOdious
Gay voters support McCain less than they did Bush
Obama backs Biden's call for Georgia aid
Ky, Clinton delegate openly flirting with supporting McCain, promising floor fight
On the larger issue of McCain's Vietcong Guardian Angel - would McCain Loosen Ropes for Anyone? NO.
McCain camp goes after Andrew Sullivan - say Col. Bud Day confirms "cross in the sand" story
Newsweek - Fineman: Sources point to Biden as VP pick
I was wrong about Hillary-----Hillary would be a better pick for VP than Biden...
Wash Post Story On Cross-Gate - McCain's Lifting of the Story
SurveyUSA: Obama up 2 in Minnesota
How old was McCain's Father when he died?
Gallup, 8/19: Obama 45%, McCain 44%
I wonder how Warren's credibility is now viewed by Evangelicals since the "civil" forum?
It's a Three-Man Race: Obama vs The Two McCains
Illinois DUers: Obama to appear in Springfield this weekend!
"Context on Battleground Spending" (538 explains how Obama is spending $ on Ground Operation not TV)
Fred Thompson Is McCain's VP Pick
Biden, Bayh and Kaine top list as VP gossip mill whirs
Why is McCain suddenly downplaying 'Cross in the dirt'?
LA Times - Jonah Goldberg Repeats The Infanticide Smear Re Abortion
McCain surrogate lies about guard breaking his arm (it happened in crash).
McCain is visitng an oil rig to talk about energy. Last time his photo-op was ruined by an oil spill
Link to Obama's Twitter page, now he is #1 in followers.
Conegate? On Rachel Maddow''s Show Yesterday A Women Claimed To Have Video Of McCain's ......
Fellow POW (March 2008): Why I will never vote for McCain
Serious Question: Where are we going to get the $1B for Georgia?
This is the 2nd time McCain has trotted out swiftboater Col Bud Day to cover his ass
Ladies and Gentlemen, the next President and Vice President of the United States!!
GOP FLACK BROOKS ADDS A NEW WRINKLE TO THE "McCAIN AS VICTIM" MEME
AP calls Lieberman a prick.....
This is the thread where I panic and you give me sanctimonious comments about "concern duly noted"
New LA Times poll to be released today.
Who will be the next Vice President of the United States?
Obama comes to my area the day I leave on vacation...
Bill Clinton praises McCain on energy.
Obama team reserving Old State Capitol in Springfield for Saturday to showcase running mate
I can't believe that no one's guessed the obvious choice for VP.
500 people are enough for a representative sampling of the WHOLE COUNTRY!?
Lumpy McSame is no Baptist; He's never been baptized. 15 years of hypocrisy.
Hilarious, more on "cross in the sand"
I just went to this site and guess who I saw ...
The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder: VP Hints and Rumors
Obama team reserving Old State Capitol in Springifield for Saturday to showcase running mate
Anyone else seen this "Obama's Not Exactly'e"?
Surprise: Evangelical Women May Have Gone For Obama At Saddleback
When the Freepers used to say that McCain was a Manchurian Candidate....
A slightly different Obama-VP poll.
Biden Seen as Frontrunner for VP Nomination
Springfield????? That can only mean......
Sen. Feinstein breaks ankle, will skip convention
McCain's Own Defense Against Cross-Gate Has Exposed His Lie.
****** Breaking: Its Gov Brian Schweitzer for VP *********
WOW! McCain's VP a woman Democrat? I'm Series!!
Yay, I got the text message!!!!!
AP Accidentally Calls Lieberman A Prick
*** BREAKING****!!! Obama to announce VP selection sometime this year...
LAT/Bloomberg national poll rumors
I want Biden as VP but I have one minor problem with him
National Black Republican Association Forum on C-Span Now!
Give your Electoral Vote predictions
Not only Rise and fall by Aug poll numbers for a Nov Election, there's now RUMORS of Polls
Pretty funny - Regarding "Cones of Silence"
10 IMMEDIATE GOALS FOR THE OBAMA CAMP
Intellicast forecast for Denver for next week isn't as good as it was a few days ago
CNN: Quinnipiac Poll tightens due to 3 AM moment...
Who would the most advantagous Republican Veep for US be?
6 NY Chefs and What They'd Prepare for the Presidential Candidates
6 NY Chefs and What They'd Prepare for the Presidential Candidates
"I'll embarass a Democrat any time I get the chance."
As of right now, as I post this, there are 19 guessing game threads on the first page of GDP.
Obama To Appear with VP in Springfield on Saturday
Biden Can Plug the Hole Where Obama is Clueless
**** giggles **** Anyone remembering back in 2004 when folks here wanted McCain as VP
**** giggles **** Anyone remembering back in 2004 when folks here wanted McCain as VP
Obama Touts Single-Payer System for Health Care
Tom Ridge is out of the McCain VP running
All is lost! After months of Media McCain ass kissing, polls "May" reveal a tight race! Oh Noes!
Tim Kaine will speak Thursday according to Marc Ambinder
Does anyone have the link to the voter fraud thread
John McCain's sadistic North Vietnamese homosexual captors
John McCain's sadistic North Vietnamese homosexual captors
Here is the full lineup for the Convention. Kaine is the only name not listed among those
Reminder - October 20th Is The Key Date - Early Voting - Not Just November 4th
Latest Schedule for DNC Convention
Tom Ridge: I am disappointed McCain challenged Obama's Patriotism
This whole experience thing has gone off track
One thing I don't like about Obama/Biden ticket
Virginia Republicans offer Obama "friendly" advice; Don't pick Kaine.
TPM's Sargent: NYT's David Brooks says Media Forced McCain to Run a Negative Campaign
Fineman: Looks like a Thursday Announcement
NOFX To Rock The National Democratic Convention
And the Vice President Will Be..........
Early weather report for August 28th.
New National Quinnipiac Poll: Obama 47% McCain 42% (with stats)
John McCain just announced his VP: (Pic)
John McCain just announced his VP: (Pic)
What's up with Bloomberg not removing his name in Virginia?
McWhorter: How the Obama Generation Will Conceptualize Race
Hopefully the Obama campaign will remain the "Obama Campaign" and not hyphenate the VP's name on to
Press Rumors Run Wild on Obama Veep Pick -- But in 2004 An Airline Mechanic Got the Scoop
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture-McCain was not tortured.
The GOP nominee for VP will not be Jewish, female or pro-choice. He will be a male WASP
Anyone else fustrated with Obama's campaign?
Rick Warren: "If you can't keep your faith to your most sacred vow -- how can I trust you?"
LATimes/Bloomberg Poll Obama 45 McCain 43
Where did Randi just say the rebuttal to this Obama/abortion thing is?
Is There Some Scandle Around Tom Ridge?
Not sure who wrote about it but another good comment about 'Cross-Gate'
McCain picks Portman. Is it possible?
What Obama sorely needs: A consistent narrative against McCain
VP choice: It's all about the homophonics
VP choice: It's all about the homophonics
Governor Kaine: "Sorry, but I'm out..."
Governor Kaine: "Sorry, but I'm out..."
***Heads UP*** Is this the green light from Obama??
Jerome Corsi and Mary Matalin team up for an old-fashioned swift boating
Pope Benedict/John McCain - Free Father Ly!
Political conventions little more than TV shows now
****VP PICK POOL CONTEST GAME - Enter to win!! (Pick VP middle name)
who else hopes Mccain picks Lieberman?
Do you think the VP pick knows yet? Afterall he or she has a pretty big speech to give next week. .
Virginian DUers. What can you tell me about Tim Kaine's wife? Is she a good speaker?
Remember the burning question from the first half of this year: Can Obama beat McCain
the difference between obama & mccain is that
For those planning to flameout after Obama picks his VP...
Obama needs to say: "As a practicing Christian I cannot go negative against
Fox News' hour long Obama documentary... In a Minute...CRINGE
*** BARACK LIVE now in Raleigh, NC (Townhall) ****
Obama to go on offensive at Democratic Convention
Obama On CNN Now, Talking About "Judgement" . . .
Halperin is reporting Biden is the pick
On CNN just now a panting, out of breath McCain hawking offshore drilling. Wolf chose not to notice.
Same Old White Guys Run the Debates
NYT Magazine to Feature Obama Economics on Cover
Mom, Can My Voting Machine Spend the Night?
Top ten proofs of McCain’s good judgment on Iraq
Sierra Club: "BIG OIL CAN'T GET ENOUGH" (Check out this map!)
I'm off to the gym with my "Biden '08" t-shirt...
CNN's Jack Cafferty: Is McCain another Bush?
NYT video hypes McCain's POW years: Politics Forged in a Prison Cell
Lou Dobbs must have hired on with the republicans as it seems any more all
So McCain is throwing rallies in Denver during the Convention
The best line Obama DIDN'T deliver to the VFW:
ObamaKaine Pictures: Cureall for All Economic, Energy, and Security Ills.
The Clinton VP pick....help or hurt?
Cindy McCain Claims to be an only child, but why?
Once Obama's VP Is Announced, How Many K's & R's Will The TOP thread Get Here?
States throw out costly electronic voting machines
I am asking the administrators to tombstone all posters who post hoax VP posts
The Cross-gate Nonsense Makes the Left Look Like Kooks
***Heads Up: Obama Live Right Now Holds A Town Hall Meeting In Raleigh, NC ***
Iowa Poll: Obama (D) 44%, McCain (R) 38%
Someone stuck "Goodnight Bush" in front of the Live Obama Cam
What Would an Obama Loss Mean to You?
ABC: Gun Control Lobby Claims McCain Insider Had Ties to NRA Spy Op
Going to the Convention? Want to help turn OH Bluer? Consider blogging for Cinci Enq:
Is anybody else secretly hoping that the V.P. comes totally out of left field?
Its not Kaine. Its not Biden. Its not Sebelius.
"I JUST GOT A TEXT MESSAGE!!!!"
Do Independents really support Lieberman?
Obama needs to stop "Staying Above It"
The website "obamasebelius.com" has been purchased by the Obama campaign
absolute, dead-certain, undeniable & rock-solid proof that Obama does not peruse DU...
Watch President Obama's Live Town Hall Meeting Online...Right Now in Raleigh, North Carolina
Obama and veep choice to campaign on Saturday
Tuesday TOONS: Part 1- McP.O.W
Cafferty: Is McCain Another George W. Bush?
Truth about drilling and gas prices slips out on FOX and Friends
He's baaaa-ack...the Tweetystein has been revived
Resellers, Democrats Working To Block Resale of Invesco Field Tickets
McCain/Leiberman VS Obama/Gore
Homeland Security Tap Catches McCain
If McCain Cheated, Wouldn't It Show Up in the Debates?
Jane Hamsher: Rush Limbaugh Fears A Vice President Lieberman — And So Do I
FOX News Examines Barack Obama's "Character and Conduct"
Had a strange premonition for the convention - Obama throws EVERYONE a curve ball..
Protester Sheehan and Public Enemy coming to Denver for DNC
CNN: Obama's Lead Narrows, Because Of:
John McCain and John Lewis are not friends
NYT says Obama's VP choice hasn't been informed yet
Rick Warren just proved he KNEW McCain WAS NOT THERE YET when he said he's in the "cone of silence"
Rachel will be on with Keith tonight and they'll be talking about her new MSNBC show! nt
OK. His lead has shrunk. We know! He went on vacation for a week and the numbers tightened
The freepers are going NUTS about Maddow's new show
"The Bush Administration: McCain Was NOT Tortured (Per Andrew Sullivan)"
FudgeReport has big Sebelius picture on front page with caption....
Nader says Obama will pick Hillary
John McCain's suicide attempt and his resulting PTSD
Network e-mails from Obama headquarters showing that Sebelius will get the nod?
LA Times/Bloomberg: Obama's lead down
Look people..no one knows who the VP is... there have been NO leaks.
Feinstein announces she will not attend the Convention.
States throw out costly electronic voting machines
Rasmussen Florida: McCain up 2 (still in margin of error)
Good Article On Clark As Obama's VP
Speculation: Obama to be in Chester, VA on Thursday morning...
I JUST NOW got an e-mail from the Obama campaign....
Pittsburgh Post - On Cross-Gate - Notes Attempts to Justify Story
hadball -- have I gone crazy or is this an Obama fest?
Update on the "Cross in the dirt" story: basically, it's all an urban legend
First, Chuck Berry and Jackson Browne; now Rosanne Cash . . .
So Who Will Rove Pick For McCain's VP?........
Al Gore gets a coveted speaking role at Democratic convention
McCain's Campaign trying to Round up 10,000 supporters for McCain's Birthday
My Veep Choice, for those who want to know!
***CBS News: VP Announcement Will Happen Friday Afternoon***
Know Your McCain: His Electability Problem
Landrieu opens 16-point lead in LA (she's our only really vulnerable Senate Dem)
Why Does VP Pick Have To Be A Politician?
I just saw three of the ROTTEN anti-Obama bumper stickers out there.
Obama to announce VP choice Saturday?
I just voted in the WA primary and I noticed a couple of things
Wipe off the VP front runner slate. This is going to be a huge surprise!!!
Video and article: KY delegate says "Obama Nomination Not Official"
Solzhenitsyn Biographer: Cross-In-Dirt Gulag Story Never Happened
I Can't Bite My Tongue Anymore.
The McCain Campaign IS PANICKING on CROSSGATE!
CBS/NYT poll of delegates: Clinton Is VP Favorite Among Delegates
Obama At VFW: Don't Even Think About Questioning My Patriotism
Obama Still Holds A STRONG Electoral Vote Lead (and compared to 2004, He's WAY Ahead)
Why isn't Anyone Supposing the Veep Could be Chris Dodd?
Washington Independent - Crossgate - Notes That McCain's POW Status Off Limits
Sebelius not supportive of Civil Unions?
"John McCain doesn't know what he's up against. I'm gonna WIN this election!"
Intrade has Biden way way up now - at 50%. Bayh is sinking fast.
What scandal will bring down Pastor Rick Warren?
McCain Wants To Announce VP On Anniversary Of Katrina? (Slinkerwink's post on DKos)
McCain Wants To Announce VP On Anniversary Of Katrina? (Slinkerwink's post on DKos)
I'm watching Obama now, and geez Louise has he changed his tune.
Bayh's Running-Mate Chances May Be Hurt by Wife's Board Seats
Sent to me by a REPUBLICAN of all people. The tide is a changin...
Hillary Clinton as VP = Presidential Sandwich.
You know what's funny? DUers can find something wrong with each Veep that the GOP won't like!
Beware of Polls Based On Last Week - Not Typical
AP, 7/17: Gore Praises Obama AND MCCAIN as 'Way Ahead' on Global Climate Change
Rachel Maddow to Replace Dan Abrams on MSNBC
Dean and the bus head to Denver to hold voter registration drive on Friday.
Why won't you release your military records, John McCain?
Do You Care If the VP Nominee AT LEAST Supports Civil Unions???
How The Democrats Can Blow It ... In Six Easy Steps
Get your Obama/VP graphic now! See what your choice looks like...
Why We Love 'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Obama camp intensifies push for new Ore. voters
Look at this paragraph about Cindy Mcain's dad
surge update - Suicide blast hits Iraqi police
"What Is It About August?" (A Capsule in Time, from '93 --a NYT Article)
KO just made a mistake in his Worst Person in the World segment...
My big fear is the Russia military are not taking orders from Moscow. Why else would they
KO: Billo gets the bronze for sending his ambush squad to a Newsday reporter.
cnn's michael ware is in georgia....are there any reporters in iraq? any news?
If McCain picks Lieberman for VP, he is doomed to a defeat of Mondalean proportions.
KOs Special Comment on McWar up now n/t
Ladies and Gentleman, allow me to introduce the next VP of the United States, Kathleen Sebelius
Sen McCane? Your ass is over there.
John McCain hires a Hollywood agent in hunt for convention glamour
What Rick Warren Should Have Asked
FBI Had, Then Tossed Anthrax Type Used In Attacks
Senators say proposed rules could violate civil liberties in FBI national security cases
So here is where we are. It is broad daylight - the neighborhood is getting looted
In August my mind turns to Herman Wouk...and "Winds of War" the Book, the MiniSeries...
Guardian UK: Support for US policies can spell political ruin
Elderly Woman Grabs Gun, Holds Would-Be Burglar At Bay
Demetrius and the Gladiators (1954) & the Cross in the Dirt.
Handy printout/email graphic to send to McConeDroids
A trifecta of gates: "cone of silence" and "cross in the sand" and "bear in the woods"
Warren just LIED about coin flip
Independent UK: Outback mayor urges 'ugly' women to move
My Two Cents - For What It's Worth
Oh damn! The Penis Post got locked!
Bush History,8/18-Do You Defend Our Constitution, or do You Defend George Bush?
Should atheists be included in DNC interfaith service?
I'd REALLY like to see Senator Obama pick General Clark for VP.
From Georgia to the Brink of a New Cold War A Pawn in Their Game
Damn Do I Wish I Could Report a Right Wing Teacher
Fear, Procurement, Profit: Permanent War and the American Way
John McCain's resume inexplicably omits some of his credentials.
The Bush Administration: McCain Was NOT Tortured (Andrew Sullivan makes the case)
Michele Bachmann Watch, 8/18/08: Remember the Alamo!
Mandatory Monday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! Mike's back!
Ahh, our great for-profit health care system: 3 SoCal hospitals accused of using homeless for fraud
Colorado refusing to go red or blue this election season
16-year-old drops out of school to play Guitar Hero
Rick Warren was asked: "Could you vote for either of the two candidates?" He REFUSED to answer.
Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at the White House
Discredited slimebally LARRY SINCLAIR invites fellow FREEPERS
Ossetians Jail Georgian Civilians
Bill Moyers journal for August 15, 2008
OMG I just found THE photo of the War Criminals invading Beijing!
Where have the simple hand shakes gone?
Regarding Keith Olberman's Special Comment
Glacier Park: The next century - Disappearing namesake ... symbol of climate change
Huh? Lawmakers Call for Russia to Forfeit Winter Games
Petropolitics at heart of Russia-Georgia clash
Well, it's a wee tad breezy outside and there is a fairly heavy dew tonight.
GOP to run 'war room' during DNC
Professor: 'The Colbert Report' aids candidates
Anybody know how to add page numbers to a PDF file?
If you read DU when indictments come out you will find this story simply amazing!
Search for 11 following flood; survivors recall drama
RW is RW. Let's face it: Rick Warren is a rank amateur in the political arena.
The VP. Who will we get and who do you want?
OH NO! du'ers turn off the nbc olympics coverage right now! women's pole vault...
Why was it easier for the GOP-controlled media to cover ...
Birch Evans Bayh III (the third) background info on wiki
Simon & Garfunkel reunited for a brand new song:
Who got to Claire McCaskill? She's defending the McCain/Warren lying duo.
This Modern World-I just don't know about this Obama fellow ..
"We are lucky the 'bear' didn't eat the 'rabbit' ".
Is Jon Stewart the Most Trusted Man in America?
editorial review on amazon ...corsi book ....puke alert....this is unbelievable
Six suicide bombers attack US base in Afghanistan
suggestion...instead of asking
Would corporate media refuse to air major speech from a Dem nominee, then claim it never happened?
Wouldn't it be great to have an opposition party against the repubs?
At this point, it's not whether we WANT Clinton, it's
Is there an official DU list of publications and websites that are not permitted
WJ this morning: Political Strategy what's fair, what works?
Wholesale inflation surged in July
Clear Channel to remove airport ad at airline's request
Mental Illness or Social Sickness?
Friends of Bush: He's a real kiss of death, isn't he?
Wake up America, the Lord Jesus Christ is coming back as prophesied!
Kicking some Russian butt - NOT
UAW endorses OBAMA: "McCain content to rely on failed policies of Bush."
Big U.S. Banks May Fail as Subprime Crisis Worsens, Harvard's Rogoff Says
The human side of the Iraq policy --- 6 tours to Iraq
3 Southern California hospitals accused of using homeless for fraud
Swingin' Dick Cheney delivers drive-by message to Georgians
McCain has an adverse reaction to sound of jangling keys... and his temper erupts disproportionate
daddy bush let Hussein get away, bush jr. let bin Laden get away.
Pope Warns Italy in Danger of Returning to Fascism
McCain exhorted U.S. into an illegal war based on false intelligence from a suspected Iranian agent
Things hotting up in the Crimea? Ukraine's entry into NATO will trigger another crisis.
Economy is doing fine, Kommissar Bush says.....but look at today's Bloomberg headlines:
'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Gary Glitter has been sprung. Talk about one sick bastard.
Russia claims to retreat, but goes deeper into Georgia
"Let us win, just let us win" mccain says troops told him this. BULLSHIT mccain.
Court Will Not Release Minor (To See His Dying Wife)
Housing Starts in U.S. Fall to 17-Year Low; Building Permits Decline 18%
I have no respect for a nation that'd let itself get screwed over so bad by a few assholes.
It's "Let's make up a sentence time!"
Great news! You will soon be able to buy all your Carnivale supplies at Wal-Mart!
Who has the video of McCain telling Bush to apologize in 2000
Extreme anti-environment Cheney aide up for top Energy Department post.»
Republicans, your long, national nightmare is finally over...
Fay is one WEIRD storm..check the latest track
Tim Kaine's Children: Tim Kaine Could Be Vice President Of Lameness, Maybe
Eric Boehlert: Fox News and Jerome Corsi, living in the past
Why is the concept of "serving one's country" virtually restricted to military duty.
The more I think about it, the more world politics seem like "The Godfather"
'Pray at the Pump' activist: 'We shall overcome' high gas prices
The Australian outback keeps it classy.
Secretary of Veterans Affairs bans voter registration...
War on Terror boardgame branded criminal by police
Oops! Republican State Senator caught investing in XXX businesses
What if huge oil reserves were discovered up dick cheney's ass?
South Ossetia: battlefield blog
Yes, Even At the Last Hour, I Still Believe In My Heart That It Will Be Hillary As VP.
Russia won't be lectured by NATO - Lavrov
Saks Has Biggest Loss in Two Years on Designer Discounts, Lowers Forecast
Nursing a nuclear test hangover: cracks in the concrete dome in the Marshall Islands
Study: Aboriginal children count without having words for numbers
How many senators and reps will the Dems pick up in Nov. and where?
Russia needs no instructions on Black Sea Fleet - Medvedev
Dick Cheney delivers drive-by message to Georgians
CREW FILES FEC COMPLAINT AGAINST REP. VERN BUCHANAN
Ukraine flood victims crying out for aid
Seriously folks, something needs to be done about the media in the US
Senators seek delay in FBI's expanded spy powers
DNC:McCain Refuses Two Chances to Reject Ralph Reed's Tainted Funds, Reaps $1.75 Million
(A) US Bank 'To Fail Within Months'
60,000 Ask FEC to Investigate Wal-Mart's Electioneering
ABC Nightline covering Rick Warren
Dean Baker: Swift Boat Economics
To weaken federal agencies, the Bush administration has expanded them to the point of collapse
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
Ten French soldiers killed in Afghanistan
Is there a place for Kucinich in Obama's Administration? Should there be?
CBS poll: Who is your pick for OBAMA's running mate? Scroll down at link
Military Judge Finds Political Manipulation in Gitmo, Again
Attention Faux "News": John Sidney McCain was not a fighter pilot.
Rick Warren: A christian voting pro-choice is like a Jew voting for a holocaust denier
Was bu$h* Involved in U.S. Attorney Scandal? Depends on Whom You Ask
Alittle sumpin' I learned about the car biz, Chrysler, and leasing ........
Campaign manager releases photo to prove McCain was in a “cone of silence”
California Court Puts Gays' Care Over Doctors' Faith
Pastor Warren on Larry King does an Osama-Obama
Boneheads in the News Part 1: Doctors can't use bias to deny gays treatment
National City Bank on shaky ground?
Unemployment survival guide (veg. gardens- Can. too )
Check out the Wikipedia article on the National Endowment for Democracy
Sen. Stevens turns $5,000 real estate investment into $129,250
Woman once sold into servitude a Paraguay official
BEES OR PESTICIDE MAKERS: WHICH IS EPA PROTECTING?
Boneheads in the News Part 2: Anti-Feminist Lawyer Sues Columbia Over Women’s Studies Courses
Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Iran's Nuclear Program
Son of Undocumented Immigrants Wins Gold
NYT forced to run its fourth correction to a Kristol column.»
Greg Mitchell: Secret New Bob Woodward Book On Bush/Iraq Now Has Title
I say "Georgia 2008 = Mexico 1916"
the political/business suit being thrown aside
Oil's Washington juggernaut-oil industry is spending record amounts on influence in Washington.
Condi Rice is still demanding that Russia withdraw their forces - These people are sick
Russia, Belarus To Sign Unified Air Defense Pact This Fall
Russia Says Georgia Failing To Withdraw Troops From S.Ossetia
VP PICK CONTEST - Enter to win!! (Pick VP and Date/Time it's announced)
Would the neo con Nazis have invaded Iraq even if 9-11 hadn't happened?
TomDispatch: Six Questions about the Anthrax Case
Will GOP attempt restart Cold War accidentally remind public of reality?
I cannot support a politician that does not support the Employee Free Choice Act
State Democratic parties I donated to in 2008.
Might be Biden but everyone should be careful
Bankers Get Ready to Kiss 200,000 Investors Goodbye
Gay families provide homes and love to unwanted children....Fundies find it abhorrent
Looks like the conflict Georgia vs. Russia is about Europe's Gas Market
McCain On Iranians: "They Sure Don't Share Our Judeo-Christian Values"
"Russia Has Made No Threats Against America" Are You Ready For Nuclear War?
so why does McCain's time as a POW give him any credibility on foreign affairs and defense?
Wyo. Tribe Mourns 3 Teens, Loss Of Cultural Ties
Are You Ready for Nuclear War? The Mindlessness is Total
Capt'n Obv'yus says: It is not the bikinis on the women, it's the shirts and shorts on the men.
It's been so long, I need reminded, WHY exactly did bin Laden supposedly attack us?
The BIG Reason McCain Dreads a Clark VP Pick - HuffPo
The tapped-out American consumer......
The Revelations of Pastor Warren : The Politics of Evil in the US Elections
UN draft text demands Russia withdrawal from Georgia
Feinstein Hobbled, Won't Go to Convention
Oh my god! Asher Heimermann died!
lastest polls show big trouble for john.....
Obama got covered up again today
The U.S. Financial Tsunami explained in three parts
California Becomes First State to Condemn Use of Torture in ‘War on Terror’
China detains U.S. artist preparing Tibet protest
Ok, I got to say it: Rick Warren. What did you expect?
Harriet Miers, lookin' sharp with her brand new 'do.
Harriet Miers, lookin' sharp with her brand new 'do.
Ohhhhhh Canada......National Sex Day Up North?
Sometimes, it's just too easy!! (He should have been in a cone of silence!)
Pew Survey: Viewers of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Score High on News Knowledge
If it is Joe Biden, he will DESTROY any Repug veep candidate in a debate.....
Russian soldiers take prisoners in Georgian oil port; commandeer American humvees
There is a voter-approved resolution in Brattleboro, Vermont calling for Bush's arrest
The "Anthrax" investigation of Dr. Shaikh
Toby Keith Endorses Obama (Huh?)
Michele Bachmann Watch, 8/19/08: Right-Wing Girls Gone Wild!
Thom Hartmann is Talking about Nuclear Power
Anti-feminist dumb ass of the day: "Women's studies is sexist"
Residents: Plant worse than a Wal-Mart
Where The John Edwards Scandal Is Headed
Another UW arsonist sentenced to federal prison
Found this interesting DIY instructions on fixing broken governments.
Let's go back to a nude Olympics
Son of Undocumented Immigrants Wins Gold
Truth About Wal-Mart Back to School Lists
Putin Orders ‘Nuclear Noose’ Put Around U.S. (who is sorcha faal?)
I think it's a riot that the GOP convention is beginning on Labor Day!
Come on and see Ed Schultz this Friday in Columbus, Ohio!
Sen. Feinstein breaks ankle, will skip convention
Funeral homes facing problem of abandoned ashes
Mark Crispin Miller on Thom Hartman right now
NATO Freezes Russian Ties Over Georgia
a bitter pill in election season
Mom, Can My Voting Machine Spend the Night?
Great description of Lieberman
Mark Crispin Miller talking about Republican whistleblower now
AP Accidentally Calls Lieberman A Prick
Excellant Pat Oliphant toon in regards to McSame...
Crooks & Liars: Make my DAY, PUNK: "Possible bad news for Lieberman"
OK, you have to take a test to drive a car, but not to vote?
"Bipartisanship" at Cape Canaveral and National Airport
I have a wonderful screen shot of the Lieberman @$#$% story if any one wants it
Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden
The Speaker List by days for the Democratic National Convention
A little fun for all... Matt & Al's Rythmic Gymnastics Routine
A Friend Of Mine Invited Me To The Premiere Of "I.O.U.S.A." Thursday Night......
Matthew Rothschild: Bush Hustling the Bureaucracy to Advance Rightwing Agenda
Tom Shales of "WaPo" ...Hits Helen Thomas as "WAY OUT OF LINE!"
Why can't we generate the power to run our electric cars?
Take heart, DU Taliban ... Rakia al-Gassra dresses for YOU.
A Wet Nasty Day Here In Orlando....FAY UPDATE
Does anyone remember what BC's polling #'s in 1992 campaign?
Obama Tells Allies He Is Ready to Hit Back
Jacksonville prepares for Hurricane Fay landfall Thursday PM
Call in to AAR and tell Rachel what you'd like to see her cover on her new MSNBC show! nt
PERU: Native Groups Protest Laws Facilitating Sales of Land
Homeschooling: I think some of the RW like it because it takes women
Punishing Russia, the Cold War and the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan
Edit: DU'ers Not Worthy of Original Content
cnn has given up all pretense of fairness in this election
Rap group makes waves with O'Reilly 'death threats'
Israel’s secret missile test goes out live on air
If you really believe that Jesus was all knowing, wise beyond compare
I'm Not a Molester, You're a Jesus Hater
So, I can't be an atheist and have MLK for my avatar?
Report from a Moveon "clean energy" rally
Texas seeks custody of teen Jeffs allegedly wed
Edward's misstress is the daughter of lawyer who taught "The Sandman" how to electrocute horses
Edward's misstress is the daughter of lawyer who taught "The Sandman" how to electrocute horses
Russia Shuns Baltic Drills, Refuses To Receive U.S. Ship
Very interesting alternative energy information
NATO, Divided Over Russia Sanctions, "The mountain gave birth to a mouse..."
Rights Group Fails To Prove Saakashvili Claims
The only Christian I will ever trust is my grandmother...
Bush: New Orleans still struggling to recover
Al Gore gets a coveted speaking role at Democratic convention
Something you're just dying to know - I just know you are....
How Many More Iraqis Can You Throw Behind Bars Without Trial?
Does anyone have any info on the PAC/organizations/people behind Nohussein.org?
The annual Beloit College Mindset List
I don't know what's going on in this picture. But one thing I do know....
TYT: Is McCain Lying About Some Of His POW Experience?
Rachel just confirmed that she's taking over for Abrams.
Great News: Rachel Maddow will have her own show on MSNBC
Long Time Acquaintance, Classmate & Fellow POW: "Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain"
Are there NeoCon Dr. Strangeloves who believe we can win a Nuclear War?
Alas, " Web Site: Bigfoot Finding A Fraud!" Who wasn't hopeful it was real?
"Leuren Moret, an environmental scientist, scares the crap out of me"
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...Ralph. (warning: sad and sorry stuff here)
McCain fundraiser RALPH REED - The Man Who Wasn’t There
All this Olympic whining on the part of the US broadcasters is embarrassing. Spoiler Warning.
None of the victims required medical attention apart from the two who were beaten, she said.
Bush Speaks Authoritatively, and Ridiculously, about Security-Bush History, 8/19
SSI is dropping my 88 yr old mom's insurance, she cant get through to them, what's their Web Address
Do Texans really think that the chimp is a real Texan in the way that LBJ was
Florida GOP Congressman Vern Buchanan Facing Seven Legal Complaints, Accusations Of Wrongdoi
TEDTalk Tuesday: Origami Redux
Breaking: Federal Judge May Hold CIA In Contempt For Destruction Of Evidence
It depresses me that I live in a country where a "faith forum" is of such importance......
Leaked memo from CNN president to news producers
Looks like the Hummer is History
I realize I'm in the Ol' Geezer section here on DU ...
Life sentence for homophobic Texan killer
Tuesday TOONS, Part 2- W the messmaker
Should "In God We Trust" be removed from U.S. currency? Poll
Happy Birthday, President Clinton
A 2,600-year-old clay seal uncovered intact in Jerusalem dig
Things aren't bad everywhere, not in West Texas anyway
Large U.S. bank collapse seen ahead
Michele Bachmann's blog lists Pelosi's home address and phone number
What we learned from the FBI's scientists today.
Reverend Warren: "Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining."
Russian troops take prisoners and grab American humvees!
McCain's Cabal of Nation-Builders and Money Grubbers
John McCain Gets Testy With Vet Over GI Bill
‘AP’ article says Lieberman a 2000 VP “prick”
Cheney Aide To Be The New Head At Energy?
Things are getting more serious now
Does anyone here know any white racists who are voting for Obama?
Four articles, all from today: Talking out of both sides of your mouth, FBI-style
The 23/6 guide to playing the P.O.W. card!
General William Boykin...still God's Warrior. Joins Scarborough's Crusade to Save America.
Fox News--- Peeeeeeyeew. "Corsi falsehoods 'relatively innocuous'. "
Has anyone else seen the video of the debate coaches arguing and one moons the other?
Police search house of Timothy Johnson (Man who murdered Bill Gwatney)
This sucks...longtime Liberal Talk Host Looses Her Job
Judge Lifts Gag Order, Allows Freedom Of Speech For MIT Students
You are awakened from a deep sleep by the violent shaking of your walls ...
A message for Dr. Maddow, if she is out slumming this afternoon:
Blowing the whistle on how the GOP has been stealing elections for years
Vet Calls in to Thom Hartmann's Show and Calls John McCain
God vs. doctor: 1 in 2 say prayer saves the dying (terminally ill/injured)
Tuesday TOONS, Part 3- The Economy, Olympics and other stuff
Communal living gaining popularity in U.S.
"Why a requiem for a pet canary?" Harper's Lewis Lapham on the canonization of St Timmy
Did you see this? Things NOT to do when a hurricane is approaching...
Jules is back. Dumbass is back on Amazon.
US Senate candidate Kleeb (D) unveils policy paper
Interview with Stephen Spoonamore (Voting Machine Fraud)
If it is Biden, should we be concerned about that 1988 plagiarism thing?
For sfexpat 2000 and lonestarnot!!! WSCE goes ABBA!!
TYT: Racist Guest + Cenk= Fireworks
'Cool Runnings' are heating up
If you have me on your ignore list - Kick this thread up
Wow, look at all this garbage:
Here we go Brownies...here we go.
I just ate enough to feed Liechtenstein for a week. Ask me anything.
Impeachment - Kucinich needs 1 million signatures by Sept 10 - Please sign
ok DU web gurus, I swear this is my last question.
I belong to another community call Ravelry...
Monday night entertainment....Lounge song lyrics game!
When did they add TRAMPOLINE competition to the Olympics?
What do you think are the chances
Why many women choose to stay single
So, do ya think that Obama and McCain would stop by my church and answer questions
Did anyone just see that audio of the a$$wipe coach of the Silver Medalist pole vaulter??
I'm fucking tired of this motherfucking robot on
Damn! A guy I know just lost out at the Olympics.
WARNING: Do not take SuperShuttle (Blue Communter Van) EVER.
Dammit, Why does The Who have to play in DC on Nov 3d?
CNN just said Obama's VP pick hasn't been told yet.
What are the most and least useful Olympic sports in everyday life?
Anyone esle think the Bob Saget roast was meh?
Frivolous question: What the heck is going on with Tori Spelling's chest?
I've got an hour left in me. Who else is sick of the Olympics.
Keith Olbermann:Rachel GETS HER OWN MSNBC Show
Keith Olbermann:Rachel GETS HER OWN MSNBC Show
Bill Maher on Larry King Tonight
Do your dogs bark in their sleep?
...and the pantaloon duck, white goose neck quacked, "Webcor. Webcor."
You guys are missing the live one in GDP
Strangers really do look sexier when you drink booze, science confirms
Can I please send a big "Fuck You!!" letter to the last person that didn't hire me?
The real world and mental illness
It's "Let's make up a sentence time!"
Areas of self-improvement for The Mummy
Are you guys refering to cell phones as "Mobile's" too now?
Does anybody know how to add page numbers to a PDF file
Elderly Woman Grabs Gun, Holds Would-Be Burglar At Bay
You really do feel different when you drink booze, science confirms
Anyone here have a cooter and want to recommend it?
Gary Glitter set free! Let us commemorate this by replacing the rickroll with the...
There is a fine line between__________ and ___________ (fill in the blanks)
250 am eastern. Anyone know what this movie is on the movieplex channel?
I am probably breaking a rule or two here, but I am going to unilaterally reveal a picture of Parche
we've had our second nationally rigged vote of 2008
The Surrealist Compliment Generator (funny)
Office Politics: Myths Debunked
Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at the White House
McCain's VP Pick leaked to press:
Workplace rant- "Teamwork is":
Good idea: Post school lunch menu online. Bad idea: With pictures
Check out these shoes: Yea or Nay?
Do you lie awake in bed with racing thoughts??
Do you lie awake in bed with racing bots??
Ezra Pound: Traitor? Lunatic? Great poet? Chief catalyst for 20th century English lang literature?
For Better or for Worse: Lynn Johnston NOT RETIRING! ! ! !
Found a Boingo hack - got free Internet access while waiting to board the plane - ASK ME ANYTHING!
Do you lie awake in bed with racist bots?
You can't hide from the truth, because the truth is all there is
For Better or for Worse: LynneSin NOT RETIRING! ! ! !
I have just eaten the most epic gummy creation.
Kissing up to McCain (humor video)
Beware elshiva and Midlodemocrat, I'm right behind you...
"If you ever want a girl to take you back - tell her you're in therapy."
The Time is now. Let's make this moment last
I'm so glad to have you and it's getting worse
How nice, the cat brought breakfast
I see hints here and there of Clark for VP!
I think this graph is a good illustration of Lounge humour...
Meet Yoda the cat with FOUR ears
College presidents seek drinking age debate
The quarterly "Shonen Knife appreciation thread"
Do you lie awake in bed with thoughts racing
The quarterly Bobby Rayburn appreciation thread
Damn, that could have been comedy gold.
the tension / excitement is palpable in GDP
I've you are waiting for DuStrange to give you a nickname....
Post a pic of yourself riding a zipline
Ahem. Parche only starts threads, he does not finish them.
Before I head to the doctor, a kind of chucklesome funeral story.
Post Here And I Will Finish It
I will be an aunt by dinner time
So who's going to post the Brazillion joke in GD:P under the auspices of a VP pick?
Florida DU'ers, how are you? FlDem, Heretic, others? nt
Searching for the Homo Monument
If your friend gets engaged, but doesn't tell anyone....
How to tell when you've settled into your 3rd floor condo
ARE YOU READY FOR THE BIG DAY TOMORROW????!!!!
Why is it you can buy a VW turbodeisel that gets 60- 70 MPG anywhere in the world
Already Planning Halloween Party. Could use some help (theater fans check in)
He has not given even one nickname!
Have You Ever Peed Your Pants Laughing So Hard?
I am 8-bit (Old school gamers and art lovers, checkit!)
Other than DU, name some websites that don't suck
ATTN DU'rs You Have A Chance To Slap Me In DC 16-20January
I think this is a pretty cool video: MGMT Kids
Happy Birthday Gene Roddenberry Wherever You Are
HuffPo: Toby Keith Praises Obama.
I've got a grill, chicken, cut fruit, a greek salad and rice -- what should I do?
Annoying Hollywood Cliche #whatever: Plain young woman removes her glasses and
Check in if you love someone with autism
My 5 1/2 year old daughter wanted to wear shorts under her dress today
Must . . . Rip . . . To . . . Shreds . . .
Auntie Climax: CNN talking heads fight over John Mayer: nice guy or dick?
Airplane Passenger Sits Next To BM On Plane
Lost a friend today-Murphy-our 1 1/2 year old cat
Some stuff I made, A painting and a sweater.
What would be a good language to learn if you had time?
Here's a pic of my package for all you hot DU women to check out
Request - suggestions for things to do and see in Washington DC
Kitten Picture of the Day for Tuesday August 19
"Girls Gone Wild" SCUMBAG Joe Francis faces 10 years in prison and $500,000 in IRS fines
You know, I've never met a "Man-hating, vicious angry lesbian"
Some boy tried to pick up on me at the airport yesterday.
Mikhail Bakunin appreciation thread
Let's all tell 20th Century Fox to kiss our collective asses
Steven Seagal laying down some enlightenment...
I spent most of the day preparing for a hurricane to hit us sometime between
Blades of Glory is on HBO right now
Mikhail Bakhtin appreciation thread
shit...my roommate got fired today
If I mix Cinnamon Altoids with Wintergreen Altoids will my head explode?
Pics are coming in of the fundraiser I performed for this past weekend...
a tropical storm came through my state, and all i got was a cloudy day!
Children of the 80s, do you remember...
that movie "run fatboy run" looks absolutely stupid
a thread wherein i chastise primate1 for using the F-word
Confused sea turtles march into Italian restaurant.
SNL's Chris "Mango" Kattan and wife separate after 8 weeks of marriage
I FUCKING HATE WHEN I ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE GODDAMN MARK ICON.
Where in MA should I go this weekend?
Annoying Hollywood cliche # 5732984573982: Everyone in the Old West had a Southern accent.
Name a color that is a distinction without a difference
Help needed please...from anyone who understands medical terminology
The quarterly "Schoeneweis appreciation thread"
This thread belongs in the Brazillian Joke Hall of Fame
"He Ain't Heavy...He's My Brother"
Corpse kept standing upright for 3-day wake in Puerto Rico
For those who enjoy music posts: Sinatra and Antonio Carlos Jobim, 1967.
"Obama is going to tax our water."
"I JUST GOT A TEXT MESSAGE!!!!"
Applegate calls double mastectomy a 'tough' choice
Has there been a recent death?
Will humanity survive its adolescence?
The RetroLounge Daily Poem Thread (Tue 8/19/2008)
First Line of a Really, Really Bad Novel
I know that bees are a good thing BUT
Most effective DU bait and switch: RickRolling or Brazilian joke?
House we rented a week ago was rented out from underneath us...
I Received The Following E-Mail Today And Really Don't Know How To.....
ARE YOU READY FOR THE BIG DAY TOMORROW????!!!!
Man says fish salad gave him 9-foot tapeworm
Ok all you DU prudes and reactionaries (womens beach volleyball)
You've just been murdered. Which TV super sleuth would you want to find your killer?
Greg Louganis - No diver even comes close
I just got back from three hours of phonebanking. Ask me anything. nt
Biopsy results 4:00pm today please pray-send vibes anything you can
awwww... cutest kitten picture EVER
Who the hell calls in for internet support while they're driving on the fucking freeway?
i think i'm going to give up on the male species
Funniest UNINTENTIONALLY funny book you've ever read?
Third round...birds and something different
How, exactly, does one properly pronounce "Cthulhu?"
I have a minor computer glitch and need help
I've got a nasty Allergy-Induced Headache. Using Alcohol to 'cure' it
Massachusetts parents in panic, children might have to ~walk~ to school due to gas prices
John Russell District 5, Fl. Interviews with Lakeland Ledger Editorial Board August 14, 2008
Progressive Democrats of America Give National Endorsement To John Russell Dem CD5
If you had an audience with the Pope, which would be the most impolite thing to say?
Man at Center of Gun Lawsuit Registers Revolver
Bankrupt supplier Delphi cutting 600 salaried jobs
Obama Appears Ready to Announce His Running Mate
Police: Bomb blast in Pakistan hospital kills 23
Iraq moves against U.S.-backed Sunnis
Court Will Not Release Minor (To See His Dying Wife)
Suicide bombers attack U.S. base in Afghanstan
(A) US Bank 'To Fail Within Months'
Joker-Inspired Teens Charged With Conspiracy to Commit Terror
Vietnam, Cambodia brace for Mekong floods, crops safe
Despite pledge to withdraw, Russians seize more ground in Georgia
Lehman faces loss, $4 billion writeoff: report
Russia's Lavrov says NATO Georgia statement "biased"
US mil: US soldier killed in rocket attack
Russian military unit leaves Georgian town
Charges Reduced in Beating Death, Protestors Gather
Army disputes report on mold at Fort Sill
In west Georgia, few signs of damage by Russia
Oil jumps above $115 after dollar weakens vs euro
Sunni Iraqis Condemn Raids on Diyala Government Offices
Gun Control Lobby Claims McCain Insider Had Ties to NRA Spy Op
Large U.S. bank collapse seen ahead
U.S. Economy: Housing, Price Reports Raise Stagflation Danger
Mexican peppers posed problem before outbreak
Chicagoans to tell Obama's story at Democratic Convention
Exclusive: Obama team reserving Old State Capitol in Springfield for Saturday to showcase running ma
McCain Fundraiser Under Scrutiny for Ralph Reed Connection
Bayh's Running-Mate Chances May Be Hurt by Wife's Board Seats
AdWatch: McCain ad claims Obama bad for families
OSCE chief says Georgia gives OK for monitors
Yastrzemski Hospitalized in Boston with Chest Pains
Scientists: FBI destroyed Ivins' matching anthrax sample
Pew Survey Reveals Sadly Uninformed Readers/Viewers
Iraqi forces arrest Sunni Arab (leader) politician's son
Justice Weighs Bid To Delay Guidelines For Security Probes
Barack Obama Defends Patriotism to Vets
Letter: Who's telling the bigger lies? Not those 'nasty Democrats'
Plane carrying Secret Service agents makes emergency landing
"Doomsday for 'Watchmen?'" (Murdoch's Fox sues to block release of film)
Anti-Regulation Aide to Cheney Is Up for Energy Post
McCain backs off talk of being Kerry's VP
Watch President Obama's Live Town Hall Meeting Online...Right Now in Raleigh, North Carolina
University won't open Obama-related records now
U.N. council discusses new Georgia resolution
Obama VP Speculation Heats Up as Announcement Looms
Wholesale prices: Highest annual rate in 27 years
Carlyle (Group) Chairman Gerstner to retire
(Ten) French paratroopers killed in ambush near Kabul
U.S. Marine to be Tried for War Crimes
American Son Part I (Wesley Clark)
BUSHED America has become an Embryonic Police State ~Olbermann
Russia:May Pull Out In 3-4 Days If Georgia Complies With Deal
STOCK MARKET WATCH, Tuesday August 19
Obama To Announce Running Mate on Saturday (Friday evening Obama camp will text supporters)
U.S. Extraditions Raise Concerns in Colombia
Countdown: Bushed! August 18, 2008
Barack Obama's image suffers under John McCain attacks, poll finds
Countdown: Worst Person August 18, 2008
(Bob) Woodward exposes Bush "secrets"
Russian Soldiers Take Hostages In Georgia
Red State Update at Saddleback Forum Pt. 1
Polish government approves missile deal
Jackson Browne Sings at Obama Fundraiser - SF 8/17
NBC John McCain cheated yesterday
Bush still dogged about attorneys scandal
Justice Department Asks Court To Delay Subpoena Ruling Again
Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf Resigned.
Roger Wicker's $18 Billion in Tax Breaks for Big Oil.
Countdown: Special Comment August 18, 2008 Part 1
Rep. Shadegg Gas Prices are dropping because House Rs are Talking
Meet Big Oil Bob Schaffer (Loser-CO)
TheRealNews: The state of the empire w/ David Harvey
Dan Quayle On VP Frontrunners. Says people may not like McCain, but they know he's solid.
Countdown: Special Comment August 18, 2008 Part 2
Office Opening in Valdosta, Georgia
(9th Circuit) Court: Passengers can challenge no-fly list
Chain wrapped around 'old man's body' found in mosque (torture room discovered in Baghdad mosque)
Rachel Maddow on Countdown - McWar President
Scag Coulter and Shannity insist with straight faces: Obama really is a monster!
Ohio: No "Sleepovers" For Voting Machines
Christopher Hitchens lays into Joe Dead Intern Scarborough re: Terry Schiavo
US consumer confidence rises, near all-time low - ABC
Michael Moore's New Book Election Guide 2008 (Submit Question to Meet The Bloggers)
New York City agrees to pay (Iraq war) protesters $2 million (lawsuit settlement )
Obama: "I will let No One Question my Love of this Country"
U.S. military hawks tanks to Iraqis in deal worth up to $2B
Gore to Speak on Democratic Convention's Final Night
2 NYPD officers accused of assaulting motorist
AP Accidentally Calls Lieberman A Prick
The Story of Bob Ney and HAVA (from FREE FOR ALL!)
MoveOn Sinking $500,000 Into New Ad Linking Elizabeth Dole To McCain And Big Oil
Obama at VFW - Hits McCain on Iraq War
Joe Felice on the GOP's senate prospects in 2008
McCain Voted Twice to "Make the Bush Tax Cuts Permanent"
Joe Felice on the 'slippery slope' argument
Plane crashes in Park Slope, Brooklyn (1960)
Max Blumenthal and Holocaust denier David Irving
Barack Obama Town Hall in Albuquerque, New Mexico
Obama at VFW National Convention (Orlando, FL)
Pt. 2-Red State Update at Saddleback Forum
NBC News: Death squads in El Salvador (Dec. 1983)
DemRapidResponse: Five Million
Did Sen. John McCain Lie about his Vietnam experience?
NBC News: A Look at the Presidential debates (1984)
Olbermann: Special Comment on McCain charges against the press (August 18)
1964 LBJ Political ad - Daisy H-Bomb
Nato cools relations with Russia
Full Speech - Obama speaks at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Conference in Orlando, Florida.
Merck Vioxx study was for marketing: researchers
FauxNews spills the beans on McCain and the "cone of silence"
Vietnam frees Gary Glitter after jail term
TYT: New attack ads highlight Obama's fidelity, and, by omission, McCain's infidelity
Father, son charged in oil spill in 2 streams that empty into northwestern Pa. reservoir
Red State Update: Thank You John Edwards
The Onion: 430 Key Demographics in this Election.
TYT: 'Racial Realist' Comes On TYT, Claims Whites Are Superior, Cenk Blows Up
Experts: Pakistan Nukes Remain Secure
Vietnam Veterans Against John "Songbird" McCain
George Carlin on the Ruling Elite
EPA Buzz Kill: Is the Agency Hiding Colony Collapse Disorder Information?
BBC: Some Residents 'Furious' Over NYC Terror Checks
Rachel Maddow to Replace Dan Abrams on MSNBC
Car buyers' satisfaction with US brands stumbles
Measuring the Candidates’ Qualifications An Inexact Science
Bush Hustling the Bureaucracy to Advance Rightwing Agenda
Voodoo Science Blames Climate Change on Immigrants
Petropolitics at heart of Russia-Georgia clash
Bob Herbert: A World of Difference
Eugene Robinson: Summer's Wake-Up Calls
"Only child" Cindy McCain has a half-sister!
'New Europe' urges West to rethink Russian ties
Reality Bites Again by Jim Kunstler 8/18/08
Could "Infanticide" Charge Against Obama Make a Difference?
Why US-Poland missile deal rouses Russian bear
Operation Musashi Heats Up Over Antarctic Whaling - Dualing Arrest Warrants, Sea Shepherd
"We are lucky that the "bear" did not eat the "rabbit" - The Georgia War & Century of "Real Power"
Washington's hypocrisy - Dmitry Rogozin Russia's ambassador to NATO
Obama vs. the Fiscal Fear Mongers
Journalist Says US Target was Al-Jazeera
duplicate...please delete this
Torture’s Political Invisibility
McCain's Tech Policy: H1B Visas Good, Taxes Bad
The Business of Politics, the Politics of Business - Review of "The Wrecking Crew" by T. Frank
The decline and fall of John McCain's mind
Dave Lindorff: Huffing and Puffing at the Pentagon
Was Bush Involved in U.S. Attorney Scandal? Depends on Whom You Ask
John McCain is another George Bush .. Brilliant Analysis
Surprise: Evangelical Women May Have Gone For Obama At Saddleback
It's a Three-Man Race: Obama vs The Two McCains
Why We Love 'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Commentary: Is McCain another George W. Bush?
McCain Breaks Cone of Silence, Proving He’s a Man of the ’50s: The Quiz Show Scandals!
America's role in the Russo-Georgian war
Obama vs. the Fiscal Fear Mongers
Credit crunch may take out large US bank
Election Fraud is NOT the Real Problem !
New book on Mormon-led massacre opens old wounds
Letter: Who's telling the bigger lies? Not those 'nasty Democrats'
Guardian UK: US missile defence system is the magic pudding that will never run out
Lies and Criminality in Justice Department and in Georgia -- "So?"
Writing With One Hand Tied Behind My Back
Vladimir Putin Takes on a Powerless West
BBC: US bank 'to fail within months'
Wacky LTTE: Socialist Obama will "raid" Social Security
Pravda: Is Condoleeza Rice stupid?
Soldiers: Sill barracks infested by mold
Bragg soldier on leave found dead
2 men accused in $244K Gordon gear theft
Stash of advanced RPGs found in Afghanistan
War reveals Russian military might, weakness
Commissaries pull (Del Monte) ketchup from store shelves
Army on the lookout for better flashlights
Iraq moves against U.S.-backed Sunnis
VFW wants combat medal for sailors, Marines
Supercomputer aids Navy oceanographers
Top enlisted Marines push corpsmen pay equity
7 airmen, 3 sailors arrested going 140 mph
Corps needs 1 more JSF test pilot
U.S. drawdown in Iraq raises security fears
Marine dies in motorcycle mishap
Camp Lejeune Marine dies in Iraq
Fire at Travis AFB burns 230 vacant homes
Air Force recalls CFL player to duty
Father and son both to deploy to Iraq
More ISR intel analysts needed
Calling in faster airstrikes, digitally
General foresees no shift to Afghanistan
Got a duty that should be dropped? Speak up
Hearing on Iraq detainee death case postponed
Charges weighed against sailor in alleged rape of Navy spouse
US Trainers: Georgian Troops Weren't Ready
Costs up for NG Training Overhaul
QRMC: Younger retirees should pay more
Army disputes report on mold at Fort Sill
E-1 is year’s 25th motorcycle death
Former Marine decries trial in civilian court
please critique my latest ltte before I send it
'War Stories' Have Some Facing Prison
Los Angeles River may get protection through the Clean Water Act
Electric Car Looks Like Flying Saucer
Coal's toxic legacy to the Arctic
Melt Rate Of Alaska's Bering Glacier 2X Rate Previously Thought - Exceeds Flow Of Colorado River
Scientists Scramble To Improve Baseline Data At Glacier NP; Staff Prepare Visitors For Ice-Free Park
Oz National University Climate Head Sees 4-Meter Sea Rise Potential - Tuvalu Underwater By 2050
Dead Zone Diet: Why Fertilizers Are Taking Fish off the Menu
Pembina, Other Green Groups, Resign From Tar Sands Forum - Consultations "A Farce" - G&M
"Corruption Is Everywhere" As Bangladesh Forests, Including Sundarbans, Fall At 4X 1980s Loss Rate
Dublin Airport Reports Equivalent Of 25% Of Annual Rainfall In 1st 17 Days Of August - Reuters
In Rural New York, Windmills Can Bring Whiff of Corruption
Dozens Of Newly Hatched Sea Turtles March En Masse Into Italian Restaurant - Reuters
Oman To Build First 1,000-Megawatt Coal-Fired Power Plant - Cheaper Than On-Site Natural Gas
Western GOM Oil, Gas Lease Sale Opens Wednesday
Bees or Pesticide Makers: Which is EPA Protecting?
CommonDreams: G8 Clueless on Food Policy
Steel loads switch from road to canal
Poland seeks LNG port as fast as possible
Fifth warmest July on record. Climate forecast: Hot and then even hotter
May 2008 study on $$ of nuclear plant in TX
Catholic leader: Pull gay blog's convention credentials
John Russell Florida Democrat for Congress (CD5) Addresses Hawthorne Community Forum August 18 2008
Israel’s secret missile test goes out live on air
So, if I fuck up a major finacial institution I get bailed out by uncle Sam via
Mike Huckabee: A divided Jerusalem is 'unimaginable'
We are running out of time for a two-state solution
Unions Say: It's Time for Some Real Straight Talk About John McCain
Person critically injured at construction site in southwest Omaha
Change To Win Launches Nationwide Truth Campaign on John McCain
UPS Freight Workers Overwhelmingly Ratify Contract
Economic Report: Poll Shows Most Workers Not Worried About Jobs
Wal-Mart ordered to allow union contract in Canada
Today in labor history August 19 The first North American McDonald’s is unionized
Ohio Jobless Rate at 15-Year High; McCain Plan May Kill 8,000 More
The Reality Behind TV Reality Shows: Workers Treated Badly
Worst Boss of the Year: Owner of Life-Threatening Ambulance Equipment
Two Boston Sheet Metal Workers Risk Lives to Save Rail Passenger (video)
Union-bashing disguised as concern for workers
Minnesota Judge Sustains Coalition for a Democratic Workplace Television Ads
New electronic casino table games stir fears of job cuts, loss of tips
Woman once sold into servitude now Paraguay cabinet member
Senator Piedad Cordoba received money from Ven. State oil company
U.S. Extraditions Raise Concerns in Colombia
Peru suspends rights in jungle protest regions
Just A Couple Of Pics I Took At The Packer/Bengals Game Last Week:
Baseball Hall of Famer Yastrzemski is hospitalized
It just hit me today....I can never pursue my beloved hobby
Working on relationship repair
I hope this is just a "me" thing
Obama, Aquarius and the Galactic Leap
Can anyone help me with some questions about Nuva-Ring contraceptives
Vitamin D's wild days: Who to test, what to take?
Thanks for the Nuva help, y'all
Respite for those who take care of someone with Alzheimer's
Does solar exposure, as indicated by the non-melanoma skin cancers, protect from solid cancers?
More evidence of a failed, lying FDA
Treatment of type 2 diabetes and dyslipidemia with the natural plant alkaloid berberine
Annals of Intl Med: Vioxx study was for marketing, Merck employees ghostwrote some experts papers
A nice day at San Francisco bay....
More pics from my outings this summer
Pro-gun group to lobby U of Colorado regents
DNC TownHall, Bans "firearm talk", rates it with "hateful content" , "illegal drugs", and "racism"
"Gun Show Loophole" is "Partial-Birth Abortion" for the Left
Fender Bender Leads to Fatal Shooting
Pelosi promises the NRA's Wayne LaPierre a vote on legislation overturning DC semi auto ban.
Question for everyone in the Photo Group
Key Photosynthesis Step Replicated
Will the Higgs boson particle be found?
Wild dolphin 'is teaching others to tail-walk'
What changed with Costco Granola
Anyone else catch Bourdain's new episode about Espana?
Would you be willing to have a chip implanted in your shoulder?
Evangelist Todd Bentley stepping down after "unhealthy relationship" with female staffer
If you really believe that Jesus was all knowing, wise beyond compare
Poll: 57% of Americans say God can revive the dying
God vs. doctor: 1 in 2 say prayer saves the dying
Study: Churchgoers have higher GPAs.
Many Think God's Intervention Can Revive The Dying
The only Christian I will ever trust is my grandmother...
I wonder what JFK would've thought of this Saddleback event?
What does "Life begins at conception" mean?
If God didn't want us to get drunk
Obama gives a shout out to his VP?
Joe's not doing all that well on CBS poll.
R U stressed out hoping Joe will get the nod?
Countdown video on VP including Biden
Obama backs Biden's call for Georgia aid
Biden as "change agent" for Obama.
You guys -- did you hear that Russia is threatening a NUCLEAR war with
TPM notes on Biden from someone who met him
Biden statement on Georgia - Time
For those who don't get Google Alerts, here's a REALLY nice piece
Beau's number has come up - for Iraq that is:
Have a moment of peace in my local garden
story on Delaware Online too. with video
Memo to the our print press: Stop believing your faxes from the FBI about the anthrax case
The terrorists have won, federal courts now ruling they are all beyond the law.
Stephen Spoonamore Voting Machine Fraud
Would the FBI frame a man for murder?
NIST to Release Report and Recommendations from Investigation of World Trade Center Building 7
Window Updates is driving me crazy
Al Franken getting closer in polls by SurveyUSA.
Madia Campaign Call on Paulsen to Disavow Negative Campaign Tactics (push poll)
August 28 - Costco to open in Maplewood.
Michele Bachmann's blog posts Nancy Pelosi's home address and phone number
Michele Bachmann calls for nuke plant in Stillwater
Cute story from JK event today -- just gotta share
Wow. This is what the swiftboating has done to some on our side:
CP: Harper touts legislative gains just days after calling Parliament dysfunctional
Hi, Kerry peeps. Can anyone confirm or dispute this? Thanks!
Bay State leaders present new energy initiatives (with a video including Kerry)
Soldiering not compatible with family responsibilities
Bookmark this post. How "fundamentals" usually trump smear campaigns.
"Doomsday for 'Watchmen?'" (Murdoch's Fox sues to block release of film)
King County Elections Director attacks Dem candidate for Secretary of State
Lou Dobbs: Big Story on Our Favorite Subject 8/18
OK, so which is your favorite band that may not be on everyone's tongue.
Scientific Am: "Planning to E-Vote? Read This First"
Ohio elections chief: Poll workers can't take voting machines home for so-called 'sleepovers'
Just listened to Mark Crispin Miller on Thom Hartmann. Really
My letter to Harper's, not likely to be published, about fraudulent elections
Oh cripes! There goes another one.
Rove denies calling Kagen no. 1 target
John Gard wants to Nationalize the oil companies!
Where is the achilles tendon with election fraud? Is it possible to prevent it
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