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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:39 AM Original message |
Popular electric cars headed for junk pile (GM ......how ironic) |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Isn't it a problem of recharging? |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. could be.... i'm sure there would be "new markets" to support new |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. My husband is working on getting around this |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Why can't you use the motion of the spinning wheels while driving |
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K to the YLE (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I've wondered the same thing. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
55. That would be a perpetual motion machine |
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PhuLoi (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
67. Having worked on diesel-electric locomotives for ten years, I |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Toyota and Honda hybrids have dynamic braking |
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PhuLoi (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Thanks for the info. I wonder how they handle the generated |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. The current crop of cars |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. What if instead of having the back wheels drive a generator they |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. Uhh...explain that. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. :) great ideas |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I think its the law of conservation of energy or something like that |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Well of course you won't get a 100% return because it's a closed |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Those are great ideas |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 12:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Sure. Turn him loose on us. He can be as technical as he wants, if |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. Deleted message |
fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Perhaps you might want to add reading comprehension to your |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. "No, you're still wrong, but it's a great idea already in use, only since |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. OK, back to the original point is good. |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
56. Some electrics and hybrids do something similar. |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
81. Aha! I should have read your reply first! Read #79 below for my version |
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VelvetMonkeyWrench (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
68. 2nd law of thermodynamics |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. See my post #79 below. I am definitely NOT talking about a PMM. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
74. Sorry... |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. No not add charging based on the motion, but based on the energy |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. That won't work |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. No. I am not talking about a flywheel type thing that will "spin up" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Deleted message |
fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Yes it will. And yes it is "just a generator", and no it won't generate |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 06:09 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Sorry, still won't work (and you ARE describing a flywheel) |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. You call it a flywheel if you want. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 09:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I was trying to keep it simple. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. I once worked with an "engineer"... |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #102 |
113. OK, if you were trying to keep it simple why include the insults? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. What insults? I don't see any insults in my posts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Deleted message |
Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
88. Because of resistance. |
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vs the introvore (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Can't petrol staions sell or trade or charge batteries??? |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. We are in North Portland |
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MARALE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
86. there are many things that can be done to help generate |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
111. Hey, thanks for the support |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
94. People have been discussing that idea for 20+ years. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #94 |
112. Your input is valued |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. had an owner of 2 of these cars |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
52. Honda's new Hybrid needs no charging ever ..no plug ins at all. |
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420inTN (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Because it's a hybrid. |
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bluedonkey (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
62. What ever happened |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Probably still around |
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VelvetMonkeyWrench (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. When you can't find diesel fuel... |
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fallout (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
114. people could use this car to run errands and charge them at home *PIC* |
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FloridaPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. They were meant for local driving. I think it was about 30 miles to |
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proud_dem (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. Scrapping the electric car concept ... |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. you can make electricty with other resoruces than nuclear |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. bullshit, but impressive quantities! fantastic first post congrats! |
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evolvenow (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
78. Yessiree!! SOLAR is the winner!First Solar Plant-300 acres crescent mirror |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Most of our electricity comes from Coal, Oil, |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
103. Little Oil Used to Generate Electric Power Anymore |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
57. I'd rather get my electric from graphite pellet nuke reactors than |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
104. Pebbles of Power |
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athenap (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. You'd think they'd be smarter about it |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. In defense of GM |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. they dont |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Because they might be right. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. the difference is you dont know but defend whats indefensible |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I should hate GM because they are GM. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. read the links I provided |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Saying that I am not being objective or informed because.... |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. if free market capitalism means anything but gobbledygook to you |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. You refuse to answer my question. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. comprehension issues? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Not comprehension, but intellectual dishonesty. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. intellectual dishonesty is right |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 09:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. lol, I knew they were never for sale. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. I will tell you exactly why the Prius and Honda are doing well |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
59. I suspect GM is afraid of a lawsuit. |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
108. Bullsh*t |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. $13,000 in Taypayer Subsidies to GM Per Car |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. You may be right |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. According to the story |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. heres some links |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Actually, GM ALREADY MAKES alternate fuel vehicles. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Its not about GM |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. For a really detailed backstory, check out "Taken For A Ride" |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
58. True - those cars are way out of date already |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. I think its more admission of their getting killed in the market by the |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. And stupid wasteful stunts like this prove why. |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. not if they are trying to keep the technology from you |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. Trying to keep the technology? |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. you expect those venues to rent them out? |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. what market? THEY HAVENT BEEN ON THE MARKET! |
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he lied us into war (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
20. Sheeesh - Let's just go to smaller cars |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. hah? |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Their market shares dwindle by the second |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
30. Key point in story is at the end. |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. And those hybrid and fuel-cell cars from GM are . . . . |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
60. not GM but Ford Escape Hybrid available this year |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. tinanator hits the nail on the head - it's all about hiding the technology |
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Mithras61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Another fallacy you missed... |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. excellent point about battery technology |
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evolvenow (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
87. And even bigger truth--Batteries can be made that run for years--Won't see |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. Southern California Edison's 110,000 Mile RAV4 EVs |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:07 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Interviewed Alexandra Paul and Colette Divine |
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gbwarming (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. All hybrids use Nickel Metal Hydride batteries |
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Mithras61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
92. Fabulous, so what you're saying is that they lied? |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
54. They rode that SUV fad hard |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
64. So I Hear GM IS Losing A Billion A Year |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
66. This is why GM will go bankrupt. Oil going dry and they cut the EV1 |
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evworldeditor (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
107. Standard and Poors.... |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
72. It is simple chimpenomics. |
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Blue to the bone (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
76. I wonder if every one of those protesters owns either an electric... |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. Gee, I wonder how that happened... |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
98. They MARKETED the EV-1? |
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classics (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
116. GM made a big mistake getting rid of the Geo Metro |
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