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maddezmom
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Thu May-22-08 12:28 PM Original message |
Appeals court rules officials acted improperly in removing FLDS children |
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Squatch
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Thu May-22-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Class-action lawsuit coming in 5...4...3.... |
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Crazy Dave
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Thu May-22-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. I could pick up the phone right now... |
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KSinTX
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Thu May-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. There's power in numbers |
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cstanleytech
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Thu May-22-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Except in this case didnt they have |
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Crazy Dave
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Thu May-22-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. I've heard two different stories |
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Zachstar
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Thu May-22-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
82. And if they proved you told BS for a reason they can have you jailed. |
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Crazy Dave
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Fri May-23-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
116. True but they have to prove that you knew you were lying |
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alarimer
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Thu May-22-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. I guess those kids get to go back to those child molesters then. |
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uppityperson
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Thu May-22-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Yup. It's ok to molest kids and hide the evidence. |
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xioaping
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Thu May-22-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
89. Did you hear what the court said or do you have other information |
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leftyclimber
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Thu May-22-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. Short Creek, Round 2. |
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uppityperson
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Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. Court: Texas had no right to remove FLDS children |
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ckramer
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Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Polygamous famiy is American family! |
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uppityperson
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Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Statutory rape is fine! |
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ckramer
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Thu May-22-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Why can't American have more than one wife? |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. It is not about Polygamy |
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cali
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Thu May-22-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. that's still no excuse to flagrantly violate the consitution. |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. They removed the children pending investigation. |
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xioaping
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Thu May-22-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. CPS screws up all the time |
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fed_up_mother
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Thu May-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
67. 1st, this is about child abuse; 2nd polygamy is against the law |
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ckramer
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Fri May-23-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
95. What if there is no child abuse, only consenting adults ? |
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fed_up_mother
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Fri May-23-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. You're confusing libertine ideas with reality |
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ckramer
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Fri May-23-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. Polygamy itself does not necessarily hurt women and children |
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ckramer
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Fri May-23-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. That's your opinion only |
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gaspee
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Fri May-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. WTF? |
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ckramer
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Fri May-23-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. No wonder today America has lots of single mothers |
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gaspee
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Fri May-23-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. You're funny |
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bitchkitty
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Thu May-22-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
88. Agreed. It makes great biological sense. n/t |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Un-fucking-believable |
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cali
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Thu May-22-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
70. Marrah, please read the link I've posted |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I don't think we will ever agree on this |
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xioaping
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Thu May-22-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. and we will never agree n/t |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. in other words |
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xchrom
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Thu May-22-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. well -- i have to eat my words -- fucking children IS ok. |
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ckramer
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Thu May-22-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. No. That's not okay |
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LeighAnn
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Fri May-23-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
93. Apparently they hadn't been fucked. |
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gaspee
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Fri May-23-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. So |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
14. i can only guess |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
15. I am so unbelievably angry and sad. |
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High Plains
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Thu May-22-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
19. Some of us argued from the beginning that CPS overreached. |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. some of us argued from the beginning |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak
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Thu May-22-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. an airstrike would have been an over reaching |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. yep |
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LeighAnn
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Fri May-23-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
94. Are you talking about Halliburton? |
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uppityperson
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Thu May-22-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. JUDGE overreached, not CPS. Link and more info here.. |
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High Plains
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Thu May-22-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Thanks for the correction. The judge, not CPS, erred. n/t |
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lumpy
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Thu May-22-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. I'm sure the courts know more about what legal rights apply |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak
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Thu May-22-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
21. I am sick of these freaks |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. the appeals court had to get their decision made |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak
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Thu May-22-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I can't imagine that |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. the Mormons are very, very wealthy |
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gaspee
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Fri May-23-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
104. As long as we have |
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uppityperson
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Thu May-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
23. JUDGE exceeded her discretion when ordered state to take custody (JUDGE, not CPS0 |
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Lone_Star_Dem
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Thu May-22-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
28. I was afraid of this |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. the FLDS has now started |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. self-delete |
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Beaverhausen
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Thu May-22-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
34. Once again, women and children retain their status as second-class citizens |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak
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Thu May-22-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I guess the message is |
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High Plains
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Thu May-22-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. No the message is if you want to seize children in the state of Texas, |
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LanternWaste
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Thu May-22-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No... the message is... |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. ad still somehow manage to have all your wives and kids on food stamps and state health care. |
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High Plains
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Mon May-26-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
128. Are ANY of the people at El Dorado on food stamps? |
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lumpy
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Thu May-22-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. People here should be glad that civil rights cannot be abused. |
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lumpy
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Thu May-22-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. Sound like some people here would be willing to give up their |
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Igel
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Thu May-22-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Nonsense. |
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Beaverhausen
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Fri May-23-08 08:04 AM Response to Reply #68 |
97. some people here are more knowledgeable about the practices of this group than others |
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JerseygirlCT
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Thu May-22-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
79. Exactly |
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uppityperson
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Thu May-22-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
36. Link to opinion (pdf)... |
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lumpy
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Thu May-22-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. Thanks for posting this. I hope this will help people to |
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Duke Newcombe
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
37. Court: Texas had no right to remove FLDS children |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That's a ruling I support. |
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Duke Newcombe
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Agreed. |
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lumpy
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Thu May-22-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
72. " screwed up any opportunity for prosecution of any guilty man" |
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Thu May-22-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
85. that this has any effect on any subsequent prosecution is not at all clear |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I would really like to hear the alternatives. |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu May-22-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. They could have easily isolated the families -- including detention -- where abuse was suspected. |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Couple issues though |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu May-22-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Excellent point, and this undoubtedly complicated the approach. |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Not just the girls though |
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Igel
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Thu May-22-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. Your first assertion was addressed. |
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Alpharetta
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Puberty? That's as far as their duty to protect goes? |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Actually, state law in Texas goes much farther than that. |
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KSinTX
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yeah, if I read this right |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu May-22-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. There are very specific laws in Texas about age, marriage, and sex. |
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enlightenment
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Thu May-22-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. It is fascinating to me that the courts use legal |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You're talking about guilt by association. That doesn't hold water at all. |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. This is more comparable to being part of an organized crime group |
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High Plains
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Fri May-23-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
115. Community guilt. |
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enlightenment
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Thu May-22-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Conspiracy to commit a crime is still a crime, last time I checked. |
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lumpy
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Thu May-22-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. It was proved that Charles Manson ordered the canyon |
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High Plains
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Fri May-23-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #62 |
100. "Why can't we arrest and incarcerate every one of his followers?" |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. oh, okay, |
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Wilber_Stool
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Thu May-22-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Yes...............n/t |
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musette_sf
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Thu May-22-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. are you actually stating |
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Wilber_Stool
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Thu May-22-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. No, I'm saying that you can. |
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slackmaster
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Thu May-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. The taxpayers of the State of Texas lose again! |
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harun
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Thu May-22-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
51. As usual my favorite branch of gov't steps in to protect the rights over- |
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Zachstar
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Thu May-22-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
83. So its perfectly fine for Children to continue to be raped I guess? |
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harun
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Fri May-23-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #83 |
96. When did the ruling in the court case come down with guilty for rape? |
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cosmik debris
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Thu May-22-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. We want our cops to follow the law, don't we? n/t |
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Duke Newcombe
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Thu May-22-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Except when the targets of enforcement are people we don't like. Then fuck the law. |
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Zachstar
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Thu May-22-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. They followed the law. |
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cosmik debris
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Fri May-23-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
99. But the court disagrees with you |
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Zachstar
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Fri May-23-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #99 |
117. The supreme court will overturn that ruling and the BS will end. |
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Habibi
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Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
57. This is awful. |
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Marrah_G
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Thu May-22-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Well the mothers legally have no incomes and aren't married |
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Habibi
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Thu May-22-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Yeah, I know. |
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Zachstar
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Thu May-22-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
80. This is horrific! The court just rubber stamped rape and sexual slavery in my view. |
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xioaping
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Thu May-22-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. If pregnant children is your standard for removal then |
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Shipwack
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Thu May-22-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
84. Where are the boys? |
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JeanGrey
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Thu May-22-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
87. How terrible. It figures. |
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fascisthunter
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Fri May-23-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
101. Texas is One Messed Up State |
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DeSwiss
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Fri May-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
105. Texas seizure of polygamist-sect kids thrown out |
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Dogtown
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Fri May-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Stalling action |
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Fri May-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. The Pedophiles can rejoice! What happens when you let bad Shit like this fester in your backyard. |
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Fri May-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Saw this one coming the morning the story broke |
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xioaping
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Fri May-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. You have it correct |
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Prisoner_Number_Six
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Fri May-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. A lot of horny old men just started drooling with the prospect of |
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Zachstar
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Fri May-23-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. It is disgusting that even people here are supporting the courts decision. |
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High Plains
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Sun May-25-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. Hyperventilate much? |
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Android3.14
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Fri May-23-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
119. It may not be popular, but.... |
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fed_up_mother
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Sat May-24-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Breeding. Lovely. |
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Android3.14
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Sun May-25-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Genes. Evolution. Reptilian brain |
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fed_up_mother
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Sun May-25-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Disagree |
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mbperrin
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Sun May-25-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Right. If there were no control, there would be a constant |
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fed_up_mother
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Sun May-25-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Yep, only now it's our "genes" |
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Android3.14
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Sun May-25-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Possibly, but research indicates otherwise |
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mbperrin
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Sun May-25-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I agree. But what do I know? I've only got 3 degrees and 2 decades |
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