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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:45 AM Original message |
Pelosi Unveils House Health Care Bill |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hopefully the loud noise |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Sounds Good To Me!!! Talk About "Watered Down" THIS IS IT!! n/t |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Great. Pass it and in a few years, make it single payer. |
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dnricci (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
55. Bingo |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
84. Both of you are WRONG. Once ANY legislation is passed OR repealed.......... |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
139. patty - you are so right |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. Hey, if he loses in 2012, he's a multimillionaire - and free health care for life. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #144 |
197. So why it the bill ceremony closed to the public? |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
156. Yep, and it will be dogged and it is too weak to be defended. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
226. Welcome to DU. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Yes. "laying a foundation" |
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zogofzorkon (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
125. if your building a house you don't lay the foundation for a shed |
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we_are_all_It (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #125 |
159. If your goal is to have a house, |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. This foundation IS NOT STRONG. It will be propaganda fodder and will hurt more than help in the end |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #125 |
223. In what way will they be "covered"? By forcing them to buy a service from a private company? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
81. Ahhh pie in the sky....thats the ticket to sooth the savage beast |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
108. Keep dreaming. We have been sold out. Again. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
134. We have no assurance that it will ever lead to single payer. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #134 |
166. Well as far as I'm concerned |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #134 |
209. Bingo. We don't even have assurance that it will ever lead to a stronger public option. |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
140. I wont be 'fixed' in my lifetime, I'll be dust before Congress revisits health care. nt |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
143. agreed- an important step and progress. Here is a link to a summary of the bill: |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #143 |
165. Nope, glad your on a fantasy cloud. It is an epic fail |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #165 |
189. so, give up all the benefits we gain because you don't get exactly what you want. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
208. Are you expecting more than 60 Democratic Senators in a few years? |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. why 96%? who are these 4% (Millions) that won't be covered? |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. we have nearly 15% uninsured now- reduced to 4% is a significant improvement n/t |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Not if you're one of the 4%. Other countries cover ALL their citizens. n/t |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. not true. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Which European countries don't have 100% coverage? |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. they have universal coverage, but that does not mean some are still uninsured |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Those are people who did not paid their premiums and are/were being penalized |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. yes, but many people are under the impression that all of Western Europe and Canada |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Technically, both Switzerland and Holland have all of their citizens covered... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. The press indicates 96% will be covered, so which 4% are left out? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. I don't know who these people are, I also don't know how someone can be considered a deadbeat or... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #98 |
128. let me know when you find out, and then we can have a real discussion instead of engaging in |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
157. he dutch system has 1.5% uninsured, switzerland about 1%. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
211. One percent of the population the size of Holland's is a lot different from 4% of a population the |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
212. By definition "universal" means everyone. If everyone is not covered, it is not "universal." |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
94. Not only did the "coverage" in Ma go up, but also premiums BIG TIME. |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
129. because they neglected to include comparative effectiveness and cost controls |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #129 |
154. What's in "this" particular bill (you do know that this IS NOT the final bill)........... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #154 |
187. the fact that you don't know what "comparative effectiveness" is shows you aren't knowledgeable abou... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Uh, huh, sure. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #129 |
213. A big reason for the cost in Massachusetts is lack of a public option. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
132. I am deeply disappointed. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
210. Massachusetts is an expensive failure because it lacks a public option. |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
152. The people who do not give $thousands$ to insurance companies.. |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. The bill SUCKS!!!! |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. It's not perfect, but it also doesn't "suck" |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. large group here doesn't understand compromise. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
30. We're talking about people not being able to see doctors due to lack of insurance |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. As an uninsured all I can say is - thanks for compromising |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
107. As an uninsured, you will be one of the FIRST covered. n/t |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
115. What if my state opts out? |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. In the versions I have read, the first eligible |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
141. I'm sorry? I'm not suggesting we compromise in such a manner at all |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. I'd like to get everyone covered too, but look at the example in MA |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Having insurance doesn't mean you can get care |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Having insurance definitely doesn't mean you get health care - it's the loopholes |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. dead on! |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
113. Read the bills. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #69 |
131. You Nailed It! |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
110. EXCEPT for the 5000 dollar deductible plans that will surely be offered............. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
45. A fairly large group don't understand negotiation... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. this is a good point, and in hindsight keeping single payer on the table |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. In restrospect? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
150. Thank you. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
215. One could just as easily argue the opposite. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
97. A fairly large group understand we are talking |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I agree completelly... |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
118. Current system: 15% or so uninsured and without access to care. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #118 |
135. I think you need to read the bill and listen to the credible rumors |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #135 |
146. I have read every bill introduced, aside from the one linked to |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #146 |
168. It will not be too long before the proof of what is and what will be in |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #168 |
180. It is pointless to scream that it is not enough |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #180 |
219. If you think that there is nothing to scream about in this bill |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. I didn't say there was nothing to scream about |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. Nobody here is calling for pointless screaming....I am calling for screaming |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. You could have said that several posts ago, |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
99. unless universal healthcare was never what you wanted |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
112. Exactly...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
103. It's a piece of shit and if you're honest you would call it that................ |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
114. When logic won't cut it, sophistry will just have to do. nt |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
116. I fucking DO understand compromise. This ain't compromise, it's................ |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #116 |
190. SO if Republicans will be major beneficiaries of this bill as you suggest |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #190 |
195. Because the Republicans will oppose anything the Democrats come up with |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #195 |
200. Yep. I think that's referred to as "having your cake and eating it too". |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #190 |
199. If this "dogshit" bill is passed who in the fuck will get the credit OR blame? |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #199 |
204. and how does it help democrat to craft and vote for a bill that will be a disaster? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #204 |
205. You must have conveniently missed my reply. I believe you're wrong............ |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #205 |
220. I did read your response, apparently you ignored mine. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
119. Compromise = Capitulation |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
214. Wroong. Single payer was the perfect. A strong public option is the good. |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Why are we pissed off? This poster said it better than I can. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
100. I'll second the "sucks" part. Only, I'll call the final bill (yes even before any ......... |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. You've read it already??? |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
181. You Know... Reading IT ALL Might Be Something We Should Do... BUT |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Full text: |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
121. Darn. More homework. n/t |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. The bill contains significant improvements to our health care system, including: |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. it contains a mandate |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. none of the consumer protections work without a mandate |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
105. oh! |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #105 |
142. if it is a joke, and a giveaway to the insurance industry, why are the republicans vehemently |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #142 |
182. Simple - a Democratic president wants it. (nt) |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #142 |
198. Because big campaign money from Big Ins. will go to Dems |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
183. Do YOU Work For The Insurance Companies Or Something?? You Seem |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #183 |
192. HA, that's a good one. I'm a self employed artist- I hate insurance companies!! |
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chadmak09 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
101. +1 |
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Fire1sKid (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
173. Really??? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Labeling something that most of us will not have access to a "public option" |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. my position is that a public option, even if it's not now available to everyone |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. If it's not available to everyone it's not a public option. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
153. We needed to start with it a long time before now. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. It's being set up to fail |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
53. true, but many who don't have insurance now are young and healthy |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. A premium of 11% for someone making $43,000/year |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. When my wife an I were covered in my last job I was paying way more than 11%. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Hey, let's set our expectations real low... |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. It's not great but what I was saying is 11% would have saved me $130/month. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
109. that was not my point at all... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
127. Yeah, maybe you're right. I guess I'd eat shit if I were hungry enough. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. A married couple with an income of $40,000 would be eligible for some subsidy |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
106. This is another scam in which the Dems PRETEND to be helpful |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
155. ALL new policies, private or public, |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
172. Get over it? No one should profit from health insurance. It should be illegal. |
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Demonaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. it covers Proctologists...yeah!!! |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. We got a mandate without a robust public option. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. exactly... the worst of both worlds for the taxpayers |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. the house bill strips anti-trust exemption! |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. p.150 - RESTORING APPLICATION OF ANTITRUST LAWS... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. So if company a charges 5000 a month we can go to company B which charges |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
130. ALERT, ALERT, ALERT!!!!!! This ain't the final bill. Do I even hafta say fucking more? |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. patty - you are so right |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
10. The Public Option portion starts on page 211. n/t |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. A quick persusal starting on page 252 |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
43. thank you! |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
74. no problem! |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
13. Interesting Parts of the Public Option Portion of the Bill... |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Oh, so no bailouts for the public option |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
15. The lines are hot today. I am furious and said so to the WH to Pelosi's office and Hoyer's. What a |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. My email to Pres. Obama: |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. it is completely unreadable. |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #33 |
44. This is how I wrote my email to the President in CAPS so that is what I copied for here. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
16. Useless without the Senate. |
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JaneFordA (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Okay, I checked out pp. 200 and following... |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
49. They are deliberately setting up a Public Option to fail. |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
26. Just called Dingle's office. They said he is for a much robust option. I said why did he allow Hoyer |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
27. If everyone that could would drop their monthly premiums ...the insurance industry would fry... |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
37. Call the bill what it really is -- Wealthcare for Insurance Corporations |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
174. Great post, Sandwalker. Thanks. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
38. 1,990 pages |
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bkkyosemite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Yes ridiculous and they are gonna put it up for us to read for three days or whatever..HR676 has |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
39. Is there ANYTHING that says that insurance corps must over (PAY FOR) individual events? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. A couple adjustments |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Further evidence that this "reform" is not worth a damn. It keeps most of us at the |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
50. A gross disappointment. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Good Luck Voting ANY Of Them Out.... It Ain't So Easy!! The Reason We Got |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I know.. it just seems futile at this point. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
177. I Used The Word HOPE For A Little While During The Presidential |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #177 |
185. It is truly, truly sad. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #185 |
194. Before I Moved To This Ruby Red District, I Lived In Texas... A Military Brat |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
59. If this is what passes, my grade for.. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. If it passes it won't only be the first step, it will be the last one |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I don't know; let's keep trying to elect more progressive members |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Given that health care reform has been stalled ever since Teddy Roosevelt made an initial attempt |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. I agree; it may be after my time by the time we get single payer |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
111. ... and that right there is one of the reasons why we have had reform stalled for a century. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
91. The bill that came out today is not progress |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
126. I'm going to keep on the optimistic side |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
60. Won't the bill go to the floor for amendments before passage? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Yeah, I still think they need to rider a bunch of unrelated things into it first |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. And the dems have to water it further down... |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. They're already working on it |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. You gotta be sh*tting me... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. How the hell would it increase deficits? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
160. :facepalm: |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
167. and then STILL not vote for it n/t |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
138. Yes |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
77. The "robust public option" was just flushed down the toilet. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
203. I'm starting to think it's a shell game. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. You forget that other areas of the U.S. economy are less competitive |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #206 |
224. If the Insurance companies collapse... |
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BluinTX (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
83. Well, I've read most of the pertinent portions of the Bill |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
137. You do know that this "masterpiece" is NOT the final bill, don't you??? |
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BluinTX (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #137 |
147. WTF? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #147 |
158. It's a fucking piece of shit already, and it's only going to get................ |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #137 |
149. This is the stage of the bill where everybody grandstands on their great success |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
175. I think you may be reading that wrong |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
85. Great |
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riskpeace (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
86. The section on continuation of COBRA is interesting and a significant change. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
88. This is news I can use. I'm meeting with a congressional staffer later today. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Check my link in #79 |
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Andronex (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
92. what's ironic |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
93. State level single-payer healthcare stripped out of House bill |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
151. Well, isn't that just ducky? |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
169. they never had any intention |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
102. A 2000-page bill?--NO! NO! NO! |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Some problems there |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
120. There are some people on this thread that seriously need to grow the fuck up |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Translation: do not criticize this bill. Merge with the hive. n/t |
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BluinTX (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
148. what tjwash said! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
184. It's not bratty to oppose a bill that will make things worse for many people |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #120 |
191. Thank you for helping with the adult reality check on this thread |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
122. well, there goes my vote |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #122 |
170. +1 |
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riskpeace (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
133. This excerpt from NYT article shows why public option scares insurance companies. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #133 |
161. Well...except that Medicaid actually pays the premiums |
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riskpeace (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #161 |
176. The state got a lower premium and likely better coverage |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. I was responding to the assertion that |
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riskpeace (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #179 |
193. I did not assert that people would move to Medicaid. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #193 |
196. Expanding Medicaid is moving more people to Medicaid. |
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toocoolforschool (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
136. im fired up! Fired up! ready to go! ready to go! |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
163. I knew Pelosi would sell us all out. Told ya all so! |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #163 |
171. gee mom |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #171 |
186. You know what? I wish I wasn't right. I wish Obama & Pelosi & Congress would do the right thing |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #186 |
202. some people just don't give a shit |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
164. This %&*%*&%* POS Bill doesn't even end pre-existing condx until 2013!!! |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
178. There's my reading for the weekend |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
201. Looks like dog house has been renovated |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #201 |
207. Actually they don't have government run health care |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #207 |
216. Government run health care is very different from single payer. With government run |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #216 |
221. I know the difference between government run and single payer |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
217. What the hell happened to the Progressive Caucus and "The Pledge?" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
218. And the Senate will water down even this and the House knows it. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. And expect us to happy and greatful for it |
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