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RedSock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:19 PM Original message |
8/6/01 PDB -- Was It Really *11* Pages?? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good Catch...I suspected something like this!!! n/t |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Great find |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. We need to examine the document. I saw a PDF of it - it's text-based |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Here, I found a copy of it over in LBN |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Here's page 2 |
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alvis (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. The footer of each page |
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TripleD (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
50. The footer. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 07:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
64. File source |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 07:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
63. What could that be blacked out at the bottom? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. No, we need the PDF |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Go here |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
90. p 1. margins don't match p 2. margins |
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scottxyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Go to TheSmokingGun.com |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. Pfft...10 missing pages!!! %$#&!!! |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. "the report is straight from the CIA director." huh? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. i heard they were going to re write it |
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RedSock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. are they throwing us a bone? |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. Before we fly off the handle . . . |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Read the link |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. It doesn't say 'long' . . . |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Now, what does common sense tell you about the NeoCons?... |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Common sense tells me . . . |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Re: confirmation . . . |
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jeanmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
77. Common sense also dictates that... |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
106. You wouldn't think so . . . |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. It's common publishing practice |
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scottxyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
49. FBI agents probably don't follow "common publishing practice" |
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qanda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. In journalism you do not spell out 11, but you do spell out one |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. They left out the parts |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. bah ha ha ha |
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vetwife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Fill me in |
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gemlake (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. For a "historical" analysis of Al Qaeda |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. Note that the place on the bottom for page numbers is redacted... |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Wide area redacted. Maybe "Page N of N"? |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Could also be the security level |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
80. But the question remains ... |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
78. Exactly |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
21. No, it was 1 and 1/2 pages long, it's a 'typo'..... |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. How does any of this prove or disprove |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Well first off its been reported to death that the length of the ORIGINAL |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Remember the history of this PDB.... |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. So are you telling me that George Tenet FORGOT how long it was..... |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 05:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
61. I'd love to see the quote you are referring to |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. If it's a typo, what sense would be made of this: |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Extraordinarily SHORT to match his attention span! |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. True... |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #28 |
98. That was my thought too. |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. elfeinhalb vs. einseinhalb |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 07:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. I think this shoots "typo" out of the water...n/t |
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gandalf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 04:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
94. "Einseinhalb" doesn't exist. It's "Anderthalb" or "eineinhalb" |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. If you look on page 2, it looks like the shadow of a blank... |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. yeah, it does look like that... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Exactly right. The column seems to begin with "factoids" for Smirko... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. Anybody speak German??? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Yes, DUer Gandalf |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Done. n/t |
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gandalf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 04:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
95. PM? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-04 06:19 AM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Thanks gandalf. There's been confirmation that it's 11 pages... |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I looked for the Oct. 2002 article |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. OK, I found the original page on Der Zeit Archiv |
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scottxyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Literal translation |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. I speak German |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
89. Even the Google translater says 11 1/2 ... |
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gandalf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-04 06:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
102. Contacted Die Zeit today |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-04 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
32. Another source that says 10 to 12 pages (credit papau) |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Well there goes IHT's credibility...... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
41. hey hey hey remember during commission |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. RIGHT. He held pinched fingers up and said "only this much" seen of PDB. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
51. It's interesting..... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:58 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. bush has only himself to blame this time |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 05:05 AM Response to Reply #51 |
96. For want of a nail, the shoe was lost. |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
52. Does anyone find it odd that the name "Osama" is not mentioned ? |
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gmaki (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
54. The biggest reason it seems to only be only two is |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
55. go here and play |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. i watched the whole thing one night. |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Wow. Thanks for the link. .....n/t |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Holy cow, this is awesome! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. You're welcomed guys. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
60. CNN says "*Parts* of the original document were *not* made public... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 08:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. From the LA Times... |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Could it be that some of the missing pages |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I was thinking that they didn't pertain to alQeda |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. If the actual Aug. 6 PDB was 11 and 1/2 pages long, |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Perhaps the other pages were Iraq? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. That is what I think, too. They left out irrelevant sections... like |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. I just have to say |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
71. Kick |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
72. that's not a typo. if you mean "1" you write "one" |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. See post #40...n/t |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
74. So why would the page number be blacked out? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
76. this is the stupid *ss thing with this dude |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. The thing is that every news org. seems to refer to what is released |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
82. I think I caught something else |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Good catch! |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. We got the first and the last page |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
83. Why I don't believe it's a typo ... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Again, read post #40... |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Thanks for the tip |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
87. So they faked the PDB they just released as well |
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ant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-04 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
92. not a big deal, IMHO |
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bonemachine (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-04 02:29 AM Response to Reply #92 |
101. But Why The Blacked Out Page Numbers? |
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wtf (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
97. This deserves a kick.. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
99. CONFIRMATION HERE... |
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bonemachine (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-04 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
100. AP Wire Mentions Length! |
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bonemachine (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Kick |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Worth a kick |
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bonemachine (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 03:27 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Yes it is |
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gandalf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-04 04:25 AM Response to Original message |
108. Just received confirmation from German newspaper Die Zeit |
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