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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:49 PM Original message |
is there a point to public education at all? |
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Book Lover
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, sure |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. much as I agree with you |
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rock
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, it is extremely political but |
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bigwillq
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes. I'm a big supporter of public education |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. thank you. |
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bobbieinok
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. YES - US was founded/developed with idea of free educ for all |
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BabsSong
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hell no--let's just let those who can afford it get educated |
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AP
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Mon Apr-26-04 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. There are only two ways to create wealth in America: |
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Serenity-NOW
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Public education is the cornerstone of a functioning society |
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JanMichael
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Of course there is. It's main purpose is to create uncritical consumers. |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. so let's talk. |
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JanMichael
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. They aren't the same, don't worry. |
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Moonbeam_Starlight
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
107. Many teachers are still teaching |
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gate of the sun
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
146. 2 questions |
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Lorien
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
152. Survival, growth as a human being, knowledge for |
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H2O Man
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes. |
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BabsSong
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. H2O---they equate success with "money Making??" what planet do |
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H2O Man
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. You seem to be in a foul mood this evening. |
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Ilsa
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. Everyone stands to benefit, at least indirectly, |
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library_max
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
14. YES. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. In theory, public education is a grand idea |
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library_max
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Have you taught in the public schools? I have. |
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BabsSong
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. library--Thank you and this stupid idea a lot of people have that |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. yup. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Per pupil is the beginning |
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library_max
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:09 AM Response to Reply #35 |
156. Yes, a lot of parents would rather their children be taught ignorance. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Nice and uninformed slam on homeschooling |
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library_max
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #157 |
166. I've met a lot of homeschooled kids and their parents. |
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redqueen
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #166 |
188. In fairness, I'm considering homeschooling |
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LeahMira
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
216. Recommended Reading... |
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greenman3610
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. the great leveler |
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AP
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. The rich reproduce their class by leaving money to their children. |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. none of which addresses the point. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. In theory, yes |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. so, wouldn't the remedy |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Not necessarily |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. ...and here we go... |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. So your choice seems to be |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. nope. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Your choice is idealistic |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. my choice is necessary. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Square one |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. what would it change? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Like I said, start over |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. ok |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. However, the question remains what we do in the meantime |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. indeed. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. No, in the real world |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. good god. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. Wow, where do you teach |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. ! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Not hardly |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. you're advocating educational ghettos. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. No, I'm advocating teaching good kids |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. allow me to rephrase. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Not ghettos |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. what else would they be? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Schools for delinquents is what we used to call them |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. awfully Christlike of you |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Who is casting them out? |
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fortyfeetunder
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #138 |
150. DC is not hopeless. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Tue Apr-27-04 05:24 AM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Southest |
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LeahMira
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #132 |
233. No, what is wrong is... |
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callous taoboy
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:50 AM Response to Reply #117 |
164. Right , Muddle |
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silverpatronus
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Thu Apr-29-04 09:40 AM Response to Reply #117 |
284. dear god muddle... |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Apr-29-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #284 |
293. We have separate but unequal right now |
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LeahMira
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
226. That sounds like punishing those who don't learn! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #226 |
251. Prince George's County did just that |
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library_max
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Tue Apr-27-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
237. Does this segregation plan have an age limit? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #237 |
252. This is not new |
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LeahMira
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
222. Well... |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. You want to fix troubled schools? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Salaries |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Where are you from? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I have lived in MD, DC and VA |
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kiahzero
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. I live(d) in VA, and my mother is working on becoming a teacher |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. what COMPLETE horseshit. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. A lot of people wish to teach |
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JohnLocke
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Thu Apr-29-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
279. "A lot of teachers want to teach." LOL. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
239. You write: |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Wed Apr-28-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #239 |
259. Second year |
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LeahMira
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Wed Apr-28-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #239 |
272. She must be a young woman... |
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rman
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Tue Apr-27-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
145. "Poorer school districts" |
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LeahMira
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
214. Then stop warehousing the kids! |
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Deja Q
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. I'll happily hyp this one notch further: |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. That's why schools include internships and professional contacts |
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Serenity-NOW
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. And the alternative to an informed society is???? |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. relax, I'm on your side. |
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doni_georgia
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. As a public school teacher |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. LOL! |
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. Does this mean you got the job? |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. LOL! no news yet. |
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Lars39
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Just long enough to get you psyched out.,,, |
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. Private V. Public |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. ok |
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LWolf
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Tue Apr-27-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
241. Wow. |
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LeahMira
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Wed Apr-28-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
273. One more time... |
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. As a teacher |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Here are some indications though |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. you could've stopped here |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Thanks and for what it is worth |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That testing was imposed because kids were being promoted |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. and private schools prevent that??? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Private schools are more willing to hold back failing kids |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. bullshit. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Nope |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. ? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Politics impacts public schools far more |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. so you admit |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Not exactly |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. here we agree. |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Not completely true... |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Oh sure, I'll agree to blame curriculum |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. But the current push in curriculum is being |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I saw a lot of Dems vote for NCLB |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Well with all the completely uninformed rhetoric |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Even if YOU teach a kick butt class |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Nothing is perfect |
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gate of the sun
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
148. testing is a poor way |
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callous taoboy
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
165. They are still being promoted: |
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LWolf
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Tue Apr-27-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
243. Ignorance at work. |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. may they kick a great deal of ass. |
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Moonbeam_Starlight
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
108. Hey there! |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Fellow Texas teacher? |
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LeahMira
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Wed Apr-28-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #110 |
274. What a great cartoon! |
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
41. Gosh, no. Peasants don't need to read. |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I'm sorry |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. heh |
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amazona
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
60. yes of course |
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LWolf
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yes. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Now, do you believe public education accomplishes that? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. If it's supported by the community and tax dollars, |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Then how do you explain DC? |
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LWolf
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. I believe it muddles along, muddleoftheroad. |
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Maestro
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. LWolf |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Another classic teacher response |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. then why have education at all? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
114. Many do just homeschool |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. ah-hah! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. No, I don't expect that of public schools |
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ulysses
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. heh |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. We had no ivory where I lived |
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LeahMira
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Wed Apr-28-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #139 |
275. So... |
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LWolf
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:03 AM Response to Reply #130 |
170. This is an important concern. |
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redqueen
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #170 |
176. Excellent point, LWolf |
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IrateCitizen
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #170 |
179. Amens and hallelujahs from the pews on this statement, LWolf |
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LWolf
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Tue Apr-27-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #179 |
242. Yes! |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-29-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #242 |
288. Is Milliken v. Bradley partially to blame for this? |
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callous taoboy
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #126 |
167. YES! Ulysses! |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:50 AM Response to Reply #114 |
163. Wait - so your telephone company lets you dictate their policies. |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. This is what pisses me off to no end |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. exactly so. |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I can think of none other. |
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Sat May-01-04 04:49 AM Response to Reply #106 |
307. I teach in an informal way (reinforcement classes) |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:26 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. In what other profession do we all have a background? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. a high school education |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. It certainly gives you a perspective |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. Deleted message |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. What? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. LOL, sorry but teaching is not a science |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. What is teaching then? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. Teaching is a profession |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #137 |
229. What a load!!! |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #229 |
253. Fire them |
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Wed Apr-28-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #253 |
263. What I hear you actually saying is, "Give up on them." |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:01 AM Response to Reply #263 |
265. No, just give up on mainstreaming them |
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #127 |
141. Sorry Muddle, try again |
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. And here we disagree |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #143 |
169. Muddles: |
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Tue Apr-27-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #127 |
246. Science or profession, |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
135. You don't have a background in teaching! Big difference. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 08:14 AM Response to Reply #116 |
154. how about policing: |
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Tue Apr-27-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Not every day for 12, 16 or more years |
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Thu Apr-29-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #155 |
285. school is not a business! |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #116 |
168. So eating makes me a nutritionist. |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. Doctor, doctor |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #115 |
128. Again, I will repeat |
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
140. There is much less than there is in medicine as well |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #94 |
159. We have a serious wave of anti-intellectualism in this country. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:49 AM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Library- |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #162 |
181. The forces at work |
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Tue Apr-27-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #181 |
235. That's like saying the doctor is also at fault |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #235 |
254. If the doctor treats a dying patient with aspirin and promises |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:44 AM Original message |
Sure is. |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Word |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. It's a long day in public ed, |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
81. Yes, remember the preamble to the constitution? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. In theory only |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. So what is your answer? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Long term or short term? |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. From Susan Ohanian.org |
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
142. Of course you want to save those you can save... |
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Mon Apr-26-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. We have no idea whether vouchers would work |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #144 |
158. Your post has so many head-scratching points, but... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Vouchers violate nothing |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #160 |
171. Wha? |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Not a strawman, it's the fear of educators |
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Thu Apr-29-04 11:06 AM Response to Reply #160 |
286. ???!!!! |
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Thu Apr-29-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #286 |
295. No, you don't have to live urban, black and poor, but it helps |
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Thu Apr-29-04 07:30 AM Response to Reply #144 |
280. We have no idea whether home schooling on a large scale will work. |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. See post #62 |
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Mon Apr-26-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Slight exaggeration, lol |
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Mon Apr-26-04 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
84. Of course there is! |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
105. As a public school teacher, there every day, I'd give an emphatic yes |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
109. 2 anti-public school talking points debunked |
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Mon Apr-26-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Amen! |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
147. Yes. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
149. In answer to your question yes |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
151. what i'd do |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
161. There is no point whatsoever |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #161 |
172. The point |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #172 |
174. And some can't afford it |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #174 |
183. Has ever been thus |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #183 |
187. I want all children to have |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #187 |
202. And I want my date with Tyra Banks |
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Tue Apr-27-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #202 |
236. Private schools don't do any better than public schools overall |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #236 |
255. No, the big difference remains |
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Wed Apr-28-04 04:55 AM Response to Reply #202 |
260. I am arguing the principle |
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Wed Apr-28-04 07:44 AM Response to Reply #260 |
261. Then that is well-meaning, but frivolous |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #183 |
191. Vouchers don't guarantee that all students will get that |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:41 PM Response to Reply #191 |
203. Urban students have little to risk |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. IMO they have the most to risk |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #205 |
209. Again, you assume they are getting a good education now |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. They're getting something |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #210 |
215. redqueen... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #210 |
218. Illuminating crack not about teachers, about the NEA |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Maybe so |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #221 |
256. Serious discussion |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #256 |
268. Perfection? How about just something with oversight? |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #268 |
269. You mean like the oversight we have now? |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #209 |
213. When all else fails, you blame the educators, Muddle |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #213 |
219. No, a recurring theme for me is to blame the NEA, in part |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #219 |
228. Your responses to educators on this thread betray that premise |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #228 |
258. I have done my time battling the educational system |
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Wed Apr-28-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #258 |
262. IOW, you are clinging to your preconceived notions... |
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Wed Apr-28-04 08:58 AM Response to Reply #262 |
264. I paid for the course |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #264 |
266. And this is the interesting thing about your outlook, Muddle... |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #266 |
267. You misread |
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Thu Apr-29-04 06:57 AM Response to Reply #267 |
277. Interesting. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #172 |
178. The educational debate should be about kids, not parents |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #178 |
184. No, just stating reality |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #184 |
189. I take from your refusal to address my premise... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #189 |
201. Again, it's a fact |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:41 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Let me try |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. But we have been doing it forever |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. So because it's always been bad |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #212 |
223. Magically better? |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. Um, muddle... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #225 |
257. The current voucher plan is pathetic |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #257 |
270. This is pitiful excusemaking |
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Wed Apr-28-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Not an excuse |
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Thu Apr-29-04 07:11 AM Response to Reply #271 |
278. "That is the way business works." NOT education. |
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Thu Apr-29-04 08:28 AM Response to Reply #278 |
281. Education doesn't work in the urban areas |
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Thu Apr-29-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #271 |
298. a math problem for you: what percentage of private school tuition |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. Ahh... so now it's not about desire, but about means... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
173. Yes! |
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Thu Apr-29-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #173 |
287. redqueen? |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
177. After reading through this thread, I have several thoughts |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #177 |
180. Once again IC, you hit the nail on the proverbial n/t |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #180 |
182. Agreed. IC said it much, much better than I've been able to today. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #177 |
185. Oh *mwah* |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. Wealth creation and militarism vs. people |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. I agree |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
186. Its needed for the Society to function but in terms of critical thinking |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #186 |
192. This can't be blamed on partisan politics, opi |
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Tue Apr-27-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. @ic |
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Tue Apr-27-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. I don't think you're getting what I'm talking about, Maestro... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Yes I understand now |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. It's interesting to look at this from a gender perspective, as well |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #200 |
207. My my my! What an intriguing thought! |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #207 |
217. Expanding that a step further... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #217 |
224. So complex |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #224 |
230. Mmmmm... I'm not so certain... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. I can see that |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #192 |
249. Aloha IrateCitizen, your thoughts are well noted |
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Tue Apr-27-04 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
190. publick educasion never hurt me |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
196. Sure there's a point... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #196 |
227. I probably should have given more background. |
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Tue Apr-27-04 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
197. absolutely. n/t |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
211. hell yes there's a point |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #211 |
231. I for one do teach |
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Tue Apr-27-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #231 |
240. What grades do you teach? |
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Tue Apr-27-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #240 |
244. I teach third grade |
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Tue Apr-27-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #244 |
247. Interesting, even in math. Maybe it would have helped me, because |
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Tue Apr-27-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #247 |
248. In math we use |
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Tue Apr-27-04 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
220. yes |
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Tue Apr-27-04 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
232. No |
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Tue Apr-27-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #232 |
238. If you have any other information |
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Thu Apr-29-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #238 |
290. Read John Taylor Gatto's "The Underground History of Education in America" |
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Thu Apr-29-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #290 |
297. This seems to reinforce the *fact* that public education |
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Tue Apr-27-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #232 |
245. Oh please! |
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Thu Apr-29-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #245 |
291. Sorry. .The smart kids are under attack in the public schools. |
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Thu Apr-29-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #245 |
292. maestro... |
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Tue Apr-27-04 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
250. Yes.. |
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Wed Apr-28-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
276. Bookmark this website... |
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Thu Apr-29-04 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
282. there was an excellent harpers article... |
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Thu Apr-29-04 09:19 AM Response to Reply #282 |
283. LOL |
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Thu Apr-29-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #283 |
289. boy did you miss the point... |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Apr-29-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #289 |
296. Sorry, thought we needed levity |
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Fri Apr-30-04 08:11 AM Response to Reply #296 |
299. to be forces for change |
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Fri Apr-30-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #299 |
301. You're in education, yet you admit it will take decades |
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Fri Apr-30-04 10:46 AM Response to Reply #301 |
302. no... |
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Fri Apr-30-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #302 |
303. And that means decades |
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Fri Apr-30-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #303 |
304. and attitudes like that... |
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Fri Apr-30-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #304 |
305. I fought for incremental changes for years |
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Fri Apr-30-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #305 |
306. vouchers... |
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Sat May-01-04 05:08 AM Response to Reply #296 |
308. Levity is a fine art, mastered by a few... |
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Thu Apr-29-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #282 |
294. Good point. That's why I am a class warrior regarding the schools. |
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Fri Apr-30-04 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
300. Yes it does! |
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Sat May-01-04 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
309. Absofrigginlutely necessary |
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