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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:20 AM Original message |
NOBODY is worth $1million+ per year; or do you disagree? |
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. When you are right, you are right. |
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theboss
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. I should be making about $1.2 million |
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donheld
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
134. I should as well |
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
3. if any is, teachers are - n/t |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Not a million, but a shitpile more than what they make NOW. |
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Spencer10
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I agree! |
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fryguy
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. add public defenders to your list |
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KitSileya
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Not to mention - |
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chicagiana
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
57. Trash collectors make good money ... |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
4. Here is the economic argument for the one million dollar man |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I still don't agree: try this. |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. you misunderstood the argument ...value not costs |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Nope. |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. You know very little about economics ... |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Personally, I don't give two shits for economics. |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. There is so much illogic here ... |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
75. OK, so now we play "Logic Games" |
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steelyboo
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
77. Just curious, since you say we should pay doctors based on what they |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Socialized medicine is fine with me ... |
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hfojvt
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Wed Apr-20-05 01:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
87. If I can jump in and pretend that my MA means I know something about |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. My hypothetical takes these into account |
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hfojvt
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
112. salaries and prices are based as much on power as they are on value |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. THANK YOU! |
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hfojvt
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
116. that manager is a perfect example |
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jus_the_facts
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Bill Gates could give everyone in this country a couple million.... |
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vpigrad
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Talk about some bad math! |
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LiberallyInclined
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
101. not to mention the "tens of billions" |
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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CO Liberal
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
6. And NO WAY is Pretzelboy Worth 400 Grand |
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leftofthedial
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
7. I think we need to reeducate the wealthy |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
10. I disagree. I think it depends on what you bring to the equation. |
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Spencer10
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. While I agree in theory with what you're saying, |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. And what did your Large Multinational DO? |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
64. Recorded music business. |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. As a handicapped ex-musician.... |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. I happen to work for a medium-sized regional |
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Sterling
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Wed Apr-20-05 08:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
152. Trust me it's ot the artists that are overpaid. |
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Occulus
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
110. Using a corrupt industry as your example is a generally bad idea. n/t |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #110 |
124. More corrupt than what? The religion industry? |
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Cats Against Frist
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
135. Depends on what kind of music it is. And, yes, I'm a music snob. |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. As I said, he wasn't getting a $1MM salary. |
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Yupster
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
155. I think of Jason Kidd |
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Horse with no Name
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. Ugghhh don't get me started |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I would excuse the TRUE PHILANTHROPIST. |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
130. And do you also excuse the way he made his $ to become |
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zalinda
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
19. Yes, there are people who are worth more |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Without "Ken Lay's", Ben/Jerry and Soros are superfluous. |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
132. Wrong analogy. |
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zalinda
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #132 |
160. The reason is that they earned |
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stopbush
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Thu Apr-21-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #160 |
166. If you read my posts in this thread you'll see that I'm entirely on |
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SammyWinstonJack
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
22. I agree, NOBODY is worth $ 1million + per year |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. If, say, a band sacrifices and works hard and tours, and writes great... |
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SammyWinstonJack
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Got me there. |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. My progressive rule of thumb: hard labor deserves to be rewarded. |
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Occulus
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
111. Don't use the music industry for these examples, please. |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. That's why it's an excellent example. Who do you think should be making |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
23. If a celeb makes 1.3 million for a company, I say she's worth 1 million of |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Oh COME now. |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. The question isn't whether she's worth it. The question is where the money |
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jmowreader
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
129. Well yes, I believe she is |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
144. And the reason that both can't exist is??? |
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TahitiNut
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
63. So, we're only 'worth' a portion of how much others profit from our labor? |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. Exactly. Try to maximize the value of your labor without someone else... |
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TahitiNut
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Why? Why should ownership PROFIT? |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #99 |
119. Because the capital investment increases the value of labor. |
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TahitiNut
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Nonsense. Without labor, "productive" capital has no value at all. |
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Cats Against Frist
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. and the existence of consumption |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #125 |
151. If you have nothing but your labor, how much can you do? |
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TahitiNut
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. You'd think it'd be an easy question to answer. I guess not. |
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AP
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Thu Apr-21-05 03:13 AM Response to Reply #154 |
162. Fairness is a fine moral and ethic. And I explained why it's fair. |
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kcwayne
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
25. Jonas Salk, Louis Pastuer, Albert Einstein, Wright Brothers |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Seriously. The inventors of the flying car and the cure for cancer will... |
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Telly Savalas
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
168. Cure for cancer perhaps.. |
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Cleita
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
29. In the case of celebs, athletes or enterainment celebs, maybe for no |
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theboss
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Wed Apr-20-05 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
30. If I print a book at home... |
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Cleita
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I think he was talking about salaries. |
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theboss
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I would rather give the money to poor working mothers myself |
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Cleita
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. 33 percent or less would be fair. |
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hfojvt
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Wed Apr-20-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
122. I think 70% is fair |
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Cleita
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #122 |
140. I was doing taxes back during the 70% rate. |
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chicagiana
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Workfare .... |
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Cleita
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Wed Apr-20-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
92. That was not a good program fix, that's for sure.n/t |
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theboss
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. So, if I print the book myself I deserve the profits |
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Cleita
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I didn't restructure the whole salary system, you did and you |
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rinsd
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
32. I can..... |
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shamalama
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
34. Says who? |
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onenote
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
36. gonna stick my neck out here |
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AP
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. To connect those thoughts: how can liberals say they believe labor should |
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Spencer10
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
58. Good post |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Actually, actors salaries haven't jumped, and lots of athletes made tons.. |
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Spencer10
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I also don't have exact figures |
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
85. Making "demi-gods" or appreciating talent and hard work? |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
38. We have ABOUT 300 million citizens in this country, right? |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Sigh. You can't understand economics if you can't do arithmatic |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Duh! |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I think you meant, "Doohh!" |
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
102. LOL!! |
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Yupster
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
157. I could if I put it on my credit card |
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theboss
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Let's say 40 million families |
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Yupster
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
156. If every family were given $ 1 million |
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theboss
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. 280,000,000 * 1,000,000 = $280,000,000,000,000 |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. : ) sounds good to me. |
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JTHC
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
98. What good would that do? |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Thu Apr-21-05 03:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
164. Have you ever heard of hyperinflation? |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
45. In a way, actors and athletes are paid according to their worth |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
48. Full heartily agree. |
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chicagiana
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
54. Inventors ... |
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
105. Funnily enough, most inventors |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
56. How much do they bring in to their company? |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
59. Providing fodder for the freepers today? |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. deleted -- posted in wrong place and reposted below nt |
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SemiCharmedQuark
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
83. A person shouldn't become a doctor for the money anyway. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-20-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Most docs I know are burned out. Money's the only thing |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
60. Agreed. |
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cidliz2004
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
65. BUSH IS WORTH $1million+/year |
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
66. I think the question should be, is the value the individual brings |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
67. I'm sure there are some million $ earners here |
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
69. Absof***inglutely. |
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
70. I disagree. |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Actually that's market failure |
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Yupster
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
158. I do think CEO salaries are out of line |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yeah, Communism was a great economic system, wasn't it? |
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SemiCharmedQuark
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. What was in China and Vietnam was not true Communism. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-20-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Other than Cuba, there aren't any Communist states left |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
73. Progressive argument for limiting entertainers, athletes salaries... |
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Spencer10
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. My post #68 above |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Excuse me. I'm a writer who earns very well, thank you |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. Unless you are writing gangsta rap lyrics ... |
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Cats Against Frist
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
139. Yeah, and I'm a poet |
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Tyler Durden
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. HUZZAH! We have a few points of agreement! |
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HamdenRice
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
104. QED |
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UdoKier
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
78. Agree. Nobody's worth more than that. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Wed Apr-20-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
80. Once you get past a million per year, it's all just an ego booster |
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sweetheart
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Wed Apr-20-05 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
89. I disagree totally |
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
113. the problem with wealth |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #113 |
149. Social justice indeed |
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Wed Apr-20-05 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
94. I agree. The more "worthless" your job - the more you make also. |
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LiberallyInclined
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
100. well, I am- but i can't find anyone willing to write the check. |
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maveric
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
103. Only David Ortiz. He earns it! |
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
107. The obvious answer is that people are worth that amount because |
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
108. Maybe some teachers, firemen, policemen and doctors/nurses? |
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Divameow77
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Wed Apr-20-05 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
109. I agree that |
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
114. If there is a min wage, there needs to be a max wage too! |
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. satisficing is a big enough problem without a maximum wage |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. Fine. Let's set the maximum wage at $14k per year. |
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New Dealer
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Wed Apr-20-05 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
117. Welcome to Capitalism n/t |
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Wed Apr-20-05 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
120. Economics 101: Supply and Demand |
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Wed Apr-20-05 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
121. If the market, properly regulated, determines they are worth that much |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #121 |
147. Yes, true, but the devil is in the details. |
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Wed Apr-20-05 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
123. I very much agree |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. you guys are incredible... |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
128. I can't believe how greedy everyone is - and I mean EVERYONE - who |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #128 |
142. yes, but... |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
131. Totally disagree |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
133. POETS, DAMN IT!!! |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
137. it's not so much that people shouldn't make that much. |
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Wed Apr-20-05 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
138. Wow, this is literally the dumbest thread I have ever seen on this site |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:12 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. Well... |
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Wed Apr-20-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #138 |
159. The emergence of "Communist Man" |
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:02 AM Response to Reply #138 |
161. Why would Jesus do anything worth doing? |
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #138 |
171. Wow, you are either RICH or a RICH WANNABE. |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
145. Never mind income, capital is where it's at. |
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many a good man
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
146. Let's bring back the 90% tax bracket |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. exactly... |
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Wed Apr-20-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Even playing field |
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Wed Apr-20-05 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
153. It's not a matter of deserving such a salary |
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Thu Apr-21-05 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
163. People get mad at me |
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Thu Apr-21-05 10:39 AM Response to Reply #163 |
165. So why would anyone work hard? |
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Well, to better oneself. Just look at Galileo or Newton |
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. I ain't Galileo |
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Thu Apr-21-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. Doesn't really matter. |
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
170. 100% right |
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Thu Apr-21-05 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
172. Teachers..... |
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