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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 08:56 AM Original message |
Am I Wrong To Argue Against Peak Oil Hysteria? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. Who was talking about an oil glut? |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. This article is chock full of information... Analysis: Blood for Oil ? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Information or Misinformation? Peak Oil Has Quietly Been Proven Correct |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You didn't read the article, did you? |
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chlamor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. The oil is running out |
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chlamor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. Iain Boal |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well - what are your arguments and your sources for arguments |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. You are wrong to call it a hysteria, but of course |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I think it goes overboard, and blinds us to the naked market manipulation |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Exactly. That's my take on it also. n/t |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. But labeling the whole Peak Oil science just hysteria |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I know, but many of my thread titles are so dry, they get few responses. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. You can't "may be" have Peak Oil *and* not have it have any effect |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. You're right, I would short oil stocks immediately |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. If there were a political change, I would short oil stocks. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. An increase in fuel efficiency standards here... |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. It would raise them for whoever wanted to sell cars, and trucks here. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yeah... |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Well then I guess raising fuel efficiency standards here |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. i m o there is only one thing that could support this argument |
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LdyGuique (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 02:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Shale oil and sand oil extraction is so expensive because it's |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think your sources are dealing with the right information |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. If demand is reduced, production can keep up with supply. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It doesn't work that way. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. IF demand is reduced, it will only buy us a bit of time |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. And with a bit more time efficiency can be even further improved. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Well... |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Increased fuel efficiency standards would encourage development of |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Why is demand not being reduced? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. How would you reduce demand without disadvantage to anyone? |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. The only disadvantage would be to those selling oil. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 03:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. how long would it take? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 02:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
50. Demand for oil is fairly inelastic |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
11. self delete |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
13. no. it helps clarify the issue |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
23. What "Hysteria"? Many Of Us Know It's A Reality & That Nothing's Being |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. It shields the oil industry, and it's politicians, from scrutiny |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
25. The way I look at this friend |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Of course we should reduce our dependence on oil, no matter what |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Then quite frankly it shouldn't matter whether Peak Oil is real or not |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yes, but by using Peak Oil as a stick to push for promoting alternative |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Quite frankly, at this point I'm not into holding people accoutable |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. An argument could be made for Peak Sun |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. LOL, yeah, after last weekend out in the yard, I could make that arguement |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. every resource we consume has a peak |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 10:24 AM Original message |
Peak Sun: About 9 billion years |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 10:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
57. Another mis-post! |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
59. excellent factual goods, this is all just the ENRON business model at work |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
38. Do you think there will be Peak Oil? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
41. The war was about oil |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. In 1999 Iraqi oil production was over 2.5 million barrels per day. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. The oil supply tsunami alert |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-05 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm glad both sides of this issue are debated here n/t |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Thanks! Here's another thought... On Iraq and OPEC. |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
46. The refinery shortage lie |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 06:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. same shit different day |
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evlbstrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
47. President Jimmy Carter responded to the Oil Shock by proposing and |
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LdyGuique (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
52. We have two different issues facing us right now that affects |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
53. I don't think we're close because I count on oil companies' greed |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 03:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. ??? |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-05 05:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Thanks for missing the point. |
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