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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:25 PM Original message |
These people saying Vietnam could have been "won" are beyond the pale! |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. The 59,000 names on the wall weren't enough for them |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. its just the texas culture of ignorance |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. alive and well |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. Never heard of it and I've been in Texas for sixty years. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. not "real" texas |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Thank you, I'm all better now. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I was thinking of Tom Delay |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. I was thinking of LBJ |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
123. How come your profile says you live in Scotland? |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. A LTTE last week in the Gulfport paper |
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CottonBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Can we send this idiot to Iraq post haste? Only 58K killed? My god. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Raises the question as to how many other countries have killed 3 million |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. This must be a new talking point (or retread of an old one), I'm hearing |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. Some claim Vietnam WAS won. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Yup, here's a "Victory pic" from Apr 29, 1975 |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Wow! All those people there to throw flowers? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
71. No, not at us. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I remember that day so well |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Our military was never defeated. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. Which harkens back to my point |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. Vietnam would have been won easily if not for one thing..... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. yes, how history would have changed If George "Rambo" Bush |
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HannibalBarca (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. Indeed... |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. Actually It Could Have Been Won |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. Hey, you stole my line! |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #74 |
88. We won in Japan because of our strategy of cutting off trade routes. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #74 |
89. dupe |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
106. are you channeling W? |
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Clara T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. How do you win a war crime? |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
15. Wesley Clark seems to believe this too. n/t |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. really? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
86. Here's the quote: |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's all in how you define "victory" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Exactly. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. The conduct of war is that of a funeral |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I like that |
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long_green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
21. Pay very close attention to these people |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well it is tough to win a war when you are not allowed in the country you |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. you are talking about China |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 09:58 AM Response to Reply #23 |
67. I am talking about North vietnam |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. thanks |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
87. It was a stupid way to fight a war, yes. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. We did. We had a Marine regiment at Khe Sahn but they were not able |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. I would ask them how different would Vietnam look today |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. There is no 'win' in a Lose-Lose game. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. TN |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I don't think it's that simple. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I knew I was asking the right person |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
68. That's very kind and generous of you, sir. Viet Nam's history is quite .. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
76. I'm leaving for Vietnam on Tuesday. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I (with HUGE ambivalence) envy you. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
30. Massive brainwashing to perpetuate war. |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
32. An American "victory" in Vietnam |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
38. A prolonged war in Vietnam could have lead to a nuclear world war. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:15 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. very wise |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
81. ~~ |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
40. Of course the Vietnam war could have been won. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 02:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. at least two VN Vets have posted here |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 04:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yes, I read one of them. |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 05:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Welcome home, and to DU. Thank you for your service. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I appreciate the sentiment,,,, |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Yes, I was there in 1968 and 1969... |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 07:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. I hope you mean... |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 07:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Yes, it was a year tour, my next was remote in Alaska, of all places. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. And Zinni may have been right. |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:15 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The best option would have been to have left Iraq alone... |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:32 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Yuh think? |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Saddam, the hateful tyrant was mercilessly dominating... |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
69. With all your bragging I actually saw how the marines worked in Vietnam |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
94. By the time the Marines were "relieved", ... |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
105. Three days after the 1st Cav was called in to relieve the Marines |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Why not ask Westmoreland? |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. One more thing... |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. I agree with you more than not |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. You were doing the right thing... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
109. The NVA weren't well-supplied. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Right. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. well you and I are from different worlds |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
103. The world you live in... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. I hope you don't think |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. And you're like a carpenter who doesn't have a hammer. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #117 |
126. I never volunteered |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
118. Iraq and Vietnam had NOTHING to do with "defending our freedom". |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:36 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Nice job of saying nothing at all. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 05:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. "It might have taken 700,000 troops and a better strategy." |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I expect my stay here to be short. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Yeah, are you the Ettico on hannity.com? |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Not nemore. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Too RW for Hannity.com. Wow. Just fucking wow. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:42 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. You found an excuse? I didn't think you needed one. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. It's the thing over which you were banned from hannity.com. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Well, frankly, the Hannity admins know not of which they speak. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Do you have an attic? |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Nope. No attic. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Cellar? |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 06:56 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. OK, now you've got me wondering... |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 07:01 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. A right-wing atheist with a doppelganger in his cellar! |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 07:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Yeah, I'm a bad ol' puddy tat, alright... |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 07:31 AM Response to Reply #46 |
62. BTW, it's been months since I was banned from Hannity. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:36 AM Response to Reply #62 |
83. Well, congrats. Have you tried anncoulter.com? |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. It appears he may have already... |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
101. I find your interest in my posting patterns...disturbing. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
119. But very REVEALING and ENLIGHTENING. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Deleted message |
G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. wrong, wrong and wrong |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. Buh-bye Ettico, we hardly knew ye. |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 04:35 AM Response to Reply #101 |
127. No laws against running a Google search, are there? |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
102. I've yet to be banned from Coulter's forum... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
82. Wars are not "won" with body counts and bombs. |
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BikeWriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. The Vietnamese are an enigmatic people to most westerners. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. Don't kid yourself. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
91. damn that was a thoughtful, respectful |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
92. One of the problems with Vietnam was that it was expensive and it was |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
104. But ettico |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Glad you brought it up. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
116. Really? My partner calls your entire post BULLSHIT. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Airforce? Could you be more specific? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
64. Yeah, Vietnam could have been won. If only conservatives who supported it |
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cantstandbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
70. To them I ask, except for the loss of 58,000 precious American lives, |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
96. The Vietnam war wasn't fought for "normalized relations". |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
78. It could have been won! After we killed the entire Vietnamese population |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. North Vietnam would have sacrificed it's entire population? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
114. We call that sarcasm here on DU. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
90. It wasn't our business to defend a French colony in the first place |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. And we were quite willing to do that. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
98. on the mclaughlin group the other night, tony blankley went off... |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
115. Pat Buchanan isone of them saying that the Dems lost the VW. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
120. Yeah, if we told the French to fuck off in 1945, at the end of WWII. |
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Ettico (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:04 AM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Excellent! 20/20 hindsight! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. We sold someone who helped us down the river. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 05:50 AM Response to Original message |
128. Hell we didn't win the Korean War either! It's still a divided country. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
131. "Winning" a political war militarily = genocide |
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